lamalolo
01-14-2009, 10:25 PM
Hi everyone
Thank you for all the help in this forum.
I have had a bad headache for about two months now. The headaches are very strong and most of the time I cannot work or do anything. Advil, Tylenol, and other otc medications don't help, neither does naproxen.
I had a cat scan, an MRI, all the blood tests and everything seemed to be normal ( a little high blood pressure that I am now taking care of, but that does not improve my headache).
I found Dr. Klemons online. He is very well advertised, has a great website and a million testimonials in it.
I went to his office to get diagnosed and he said I need an orthopedic appliance as well as ultrasound and electric therapy to increase blood flow to my head.
His treatment is very expensive, over $6000 and when I was at the office I already paid about $1200, about $600 for the evaluation, $150 for the treatment and $450 for the first payment for the appliance.
I was convinced since everyone at the office seemed very professional and since the doctor said he could get rid of my headaches. They also have a huge book with testimonials and they also have many on their websites, and an advertised success rate of 90% . And the Dr. lectures all over about headaches.
However, I am trying to find some REAL testimonials about him, which are not part of his advertising campaign, and I found nothing positive.
I saw two people in this forum who went to him and months after still suffered horribly, even worse. Their posts are from 2004-2006.
Have you had an experience with Dr. Klemons or do you know someone who did? I live about 30 minutes from his office in South Jersey, but I am willing to travel further, if you have a recommendation for someone else.
I originally was just trying to convince myself I am doing the right thing going to him, but now I am not sure what my objective is... besides curing my headache.
There is one recommendation for him on this forum, but that member has never posted any other message, and it seems fake. Just the fact that they would bother hiring someone to post fake messages really bothers me...
Thank you so much for reading my post and I really hope to hear any response soon!
Please feel free to private message me if you prefer, I just read the post about libelous statements and would not like anyone to get in trouble. (I hope I am not in trouble...)
lamalolo
Thank you for all the help in this forum.
I have had a bad headache for about two months now. The headaches are very strong and most of the time I cannot work or do anything. Advil, Tylenol, and other otc medications don't help, neither does naproxen.
I had a cat scan, an MRI, all the blood tests and everything seemed to be normal ( a little high blood pressure that I am now taking care of, but that does not improve my headache).
I found Dr. Klemons online. He is very well advertised, has a great website and a million testimonials in it.
I went to his office to get diagnosed and he said I need an orthopedic appliance as well as ultrasound and electric therapy to increase blood flow to my head.
His treatment is very expensive, over $6000 and when I was at the office I already paid about $1200, about $600 for the evaluation, $150 for the treatment and $450 for the first payment for the appliance.
I was convinced since everyone at the office seemed very professional and since the doctor said he could get rid of my headaches. They also have a huge book with testimonials and they also have many on their websites, and an advertised success rate of 90% . And the Dr. lectures all over about headaches.
However, I am trying to find some REAL testimonials about him, which are not part of his advertising campaign, and I found nothing positive.
I saw two people in this forum who went to him and months after still suffered horribly, even worse. Their posts are from 2004-2006.
Have you had an experience with Dr. Klemons or do you know someone who did? I live about 30 minutes from his office in South Jersey, but I am willing to travel further, if you have a recommendation for someone else.
I originally was just trying to convince myself I am doing the right thing going to him, but now I am not sure what my objective is... besides curing my headache.
There is one recommendation for him on this forum, but that member has never posted any other message, and it seems fake. Just the fact that they would bother hiring someone to post fake messages really bothers me...
Thank you so much for reading my post and I really hope to hear any response soon!
Please feel free to private message me if you prefer, I just read the post about libelous statements and would not like anyone to get in trouble. (I hope I am not in trouble...)
lamalolo
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StillHope
01-14-2009, 10:45 PM
Hi lamalolo,
Your ct scan and MRI were for the TMJ or for the head? I mean were you told that your tmj is normal?
I went to Dr. Klemons and yes, this was about the plan and the fees they had for me and they wanted me to commit to all these charges beforehand. Since I needed also a dental work and they don't do it I left. They advertise very strongly that's for sure and I didn't like it.
How do you know that your headaches are from tmj? Where are your headaches and what kind? Any other tmj symptoms?
What does your dentist say about your bite? Did you have any dental work done around the time that the headaches started?
I'd suggest you try to figure out more about the cause first. I wouldn't rely on "experts" too much. They can hardly help even if the cause is very clear and is even clear what is wrong with the teeth/bite itself. It's not that easy!
Your ct scan and MRI were for the TMJ or for the head? I mean were you told that your tmj is normal?
I went to Dr. Klemons and yes, this was about the plan and the fees they had for me and they wanted me to commit to all these charges beforehand. Since I needed also a dental work and they don't do it I left. They advertise very strongly that's for sure and I didn't like it.
How do you know that your headaches are from tmj? Where are your headaches and what kind? Any other tmj symptoms?
What does your dentist say about your bite? Did you have any dental work done around the time that the headaches started?
I'd suggest you try to figure out more about the cause first. I wouldn't rely on "experts" too much. They can hardly help even if the cause is very clear and is even clear what is wrong with the teeth/bite itself. It's not that easy!
lamalolo
01-14-2009, 11:08 PM
Hi lamalolo,
Your ct scan and MRI were for the TMJ or for the head? I mean were you told that your tmj is normal?
I went to Dr. Klemons and yes, this was about the plan and the fees they had for me and they wanted me to commit to all these charges beforehand. Since I needed also a dental work and they don't do it I left. They advertise very strongly that's for sure and I didn't like it.
How do you know that your headaches are from tmj? Where are your headaches and what kind? Any other tmj symptoms?
What does your dentist say about your bite? Did you have any dental work done around the time that the headaches started?
I'd suggest you try to figure out more about the cause first. I wouldn't rely on "experts" too much. They can hardly help even if the cause is very clear and is even clear what is wrong with the teeth/bite itself. It's not that easy!
Hi StillHope
Thank you for your answer
The MRI and the CatScan were done for my head, to check if I have a tumor or something like that.
I have been to two general doctors and a neurologist. The neurologist said my brain looked fine, and the general doctors said it was probably related to my high blood pressure. However, my blood pressure is only a little bit high, like 125/79 most of the time, with the medication I have been taking. and the headache is only getting worse.
I did not have any dental work done for years. I called my dentist before I went to Dr. Klemons, he told me in the past that I grind my teeth, but he did not think it could be causing my headaches.
I did not plan to commit to the treatment, but I am in such bad pain, I just decided to go for it.
The only reason I think I have TMJ is beacuse of Dr. Klemon's choice of treatment and because I understand that is what he specializes in.
I have headaches almost all the time, and they move from one place to another in my head. not especially around the jaw, but all over, the top, the side, the back, usually one are at a time.
What do you think I should do?
Thank you so much!
lamalolo
Your ct scan and MRI were for the TMJ or for the head? I mean were you told that your tmj is normal?
I went to Dr. Klemons and yes, this was about the plan and the fees they had for me and they wanted me to commit to all these charges beforehand. Since I needed also a dental work and they don't do it I left. They advertise very strongly that's for sure and I didn't like it.
How do you know that your headaches are from tmj? Where are your headaches and what kind? Any other tmj symptoms?
What does your dentist say about your bite? Did you have any dental work done around the time that the headaches started?
I'd suggest you try to figure out more about the cause first. I wouldn't rely on "experts" too much. They can hardly help even if the cause is very clear and is even clear what is wrong with the teeth/bite itself. It's not that easy!
Hi StillHope
Thank you for your answer
The MRI and the CatScan were done for my head, to check if I have a tumor or something like that.
I have been to two general doctors and a neurologist. The neurologist said my brain looked fine, and the general doctors said it was probably related to my high blood pressure. However, my blood pressure is only a little bit high, like 125/79 most of the time, with the medication I have been taking. and the headache is only getting worse.
I did not have any dental work done for years. I called my dentist before I went to Dr. Klemons, he told me in the past that I grind my teeth, but he did not think it could be causing my headaches.
I did not plan to commit to the treatment, but I am in such bad pain, I just decided to go for it.
The only reason I think I have TMJ is beacuse of Dr. Klemon's choice of treatment and because I understand that is what he specializes in.
I have headaches almost all the time, and they move from one place to another in my head. not especially around the jaw, but all over, the top, the side, the back, usually one are at a time.
What do you think I should do?
Thank you so much!
lamalolo
Thelma-Louise
01-14-2009, 11:44 PM
Don't mean to butt in here - but have you mentioned this to your GP or PCP (aka med dr) - some BP meds meds can cause the recurring headaches so maybe the dose is incorrect for you or you need to try a different one or try and lower your BP thru diet and exercise and possibly stop the BP med to see if this may be the culprit.
I am assuming your headaches started first and as a result your dr prescribed the BP med? Have you had your eyes examined recently to ensure there is no glucomoa or change in vision, etc? Do you notice if the headache is more severe any particular time of day or night - like mornings more or evenings more or after reading or working on the PC, etc.? Any changes in your bedding or mattress or pillows recently?
Also, any sinus issues or dryness? you mention this has been going on for the past couple months so I am wondering if it has to do with your home heating being too dry or not enough ventilation, etc. Do you get any relief while taking a shower or applying a warm compress to the back of your neck or top of your head or forehead?
Do you have a history of headaches or just these past couple of months?
I am assuming your headaches started first and as a result your dr prescribed the BP med? Have you had your eyes examined recently to ensure there is no glucomoa or change in vision, etc? Do you notice if the headache is more severe any particular time of day or night - like mornings more or evenings more or after reading or working on the PC, etc.? Any changes in your bedding or mattress or pillows recently?
Also, any sinus issues or dryness? you mention this has been going on for the past couple months so I am wondering if it has to do with your home heating being too dry or not enough ventilation, etc. Do you get any relief while taking a shower or applying a warm compress to the back of your neck or top of your head or forehead?
Do you have a history of headaches or just these past couple of months?
StillHope
01-14-2009, 11:54 PM
I used to have severe headaches for years. Now I know that the bad bite was adding for sure. On the other hand, I learned basically not to have them even though my bad bite was the same then.
I don't know about your overall fitness level, health, nutrition, age, etc. It does seem to me that your tmj is not the cause of your headaches so in your place I'd focus on other things. Sorry to say the well known facts but what we eat is what we get, is who we are!
I assume you are not smoking and drinking. The next on the list (my list :)) is coffee. The next I'd say overall stress. Then eating animal fat and animal protein. Basically, headaches are the sign of body intoxication and acidity, and all animal products are highly acidic. Oh, you can do an easy test: buy/order online the PH test --you'll need to check your urine and saliva few times, it's quick and easy. If it's out of norm then this is the answer.
I can go on forever about nutrition and related things since it's something I've been interested in for few years now. I became a vegan and this is the best decision I made in my life!! It not this I'll be dead by now from my bite/tmj suffering.
Hope this helps.
Yah, if just for the headaches I'd use this enormous money Dr. Klemons wants for myself in other ways, that's for sure. I'd focus on nutrition and relaxation, as I said, not to mention the possible psychological aspect (this is how I cut my headaches in the first place).
I don't know about your overall fitness level, health, nutrition, age, etc. It does seem to me that your tmj is not the cause of your headaches so in your place I'd focus on other things. Sorry to say the well known facts but what we eat is what we get, is who we are!
I assume you are not smoking and drinking. The next on the list (my list :)) is coffee. The next I'd say overall stress. Then eating animal fat and animal protein. Basically, headaches are the sign of body intoxication and acidity, and all animal products are highly acidic. Oh, you can do an easy test: buy/order online the PH test --you'll need to check your urine and saliva few times, it's quick and easy. If it's out of norm then this is the answer.
I can go on forever about nutrition and related things since it's something I've been interested in for few years now. I became a vegan and this is the best decision I made in my life!! It not this I'll be dead by now from my bite/tmj suffering.
Hope this helps.
Yah, if just for the headaches I'd use this enormous money Dr. Klemons wants for myself in other ways, that's for sure. I'd focus on nutrition and relaxation, as I said, not to mention the possible psychological aspect (this is how I cut my headaches in the first place).
lamalolo
01-14-2009, 11:57 PM
Don't mean to butt in here - but have you mentioned this to your GP or PCP (aka med dr) - some BP meds meds can cause the recurring headaches so maybe the dose is incorrect for you or you need to try a different one or try and lower your BP thru diet and exercise and possibly stop the BP med to see if this may be the culprit.
I am assuming your headaches started first and as a result your dr prescribed the BP med? Have you had your eyes examined recently to ensure there is no glucomoa or change in vision, etc? Do you notice if the headache is more severe any particular time of day or night - like mornings more or evenings more or after reading or working on the PC, etc.? Any changes in your bedding or mattress or pillows recently?
Also, any sinus issues or dryness? you mention this has been going on for the past couple months so I am wondering if it has to do with your home heating being too dry or not enough ventilation, etc. Do you get any relief while taking a shower or applying a warm compress to the back of your neck or top of your head or forehead?
Do you have a history of headaches or just these past couple of months?
Thank you so much Thelma-Louise
Yes, the BP medication came after the headache. but did not reduce the headache. It started about 3 weeks after the headache.
the headaches are now more severe in the mornings, but in the first few weeks they were more severe later in the day. At first I was sensitive to light but now I am not.
no changed in the bedding or after using the pc.
My sinuses do tend to be dry.
Also, my headache began when I was doing renovation at the house ripping out drywall and plaster, and it was very dry. in general, most of the times my sinuses are dry, and my headache did start in the beginning of the winter.
I do get some relief when taking a shower, I thought it was just because of the relaxing affect... but now I am not sure.
I will try the warm compress and let you know.
The headaches have only been a couple of months. Its hard to say only because for me it seems like a long time... for a strong headache.
Thank you so much!
lamalolo
I am assuming your headaches started first and as a result your dr prescribed the BP med? Have you had your eyes examined recently to ensure there is no glucomoa or change in vision, etc? Do you notice if the headache is more severe any particular time of day or night - like mornings more or evenings more or after reading or working on the PC, etc.? Any changes in your bedding or mattress or pillows recently?
Also, any sinus issues or dryness? you mention this has been going on for the past couple months so I am wondering if it has to do with your home heating being too dry or not enough ventilation, etc. Do you get any relief while taking a shower or applying a warm compress to the back of your neck or top of your head or forehead?
Do you have a history of headaches or just these past couple of months?
Thank you so much Thelma-Louise
Yes, the BP medication came after the headache. but did not reduce the headache. It started about 3 weeks after the headache.
the headaches are now more severe in the mornings, but in the first few weeks they were more severe later in the day. At first I was sensitive to light but now I am not.
no changed in the bedding or after using the pc.
My sinuses do tend to be dry.
Also, my headache began when I was doing renovation at the house ripping out drywall and plaster, and it was very dry. in general, most of the times my sinuses are dry, and my headache did start in the beginning of the winter.
I do get some relief when taking a shower, I thought it was just because of the relaxing affect... but now I am not sure.
I will try the warm compress and let you know.
The headaches have only been a couple of months. Its hard to say only because for me it seems like a long time... for a strong headache.
Thank you so much!
lamalolo
Thelma-Louise
01-15-2009, 12:35 AM
Try using a neti pot to irrigate your sinuses - it can be bought at Walgreens or any pharmacy and looks like a genie latern if you will - it sounds gross but flushing the nasal passages with warm saline water may help keep them mositened and reduce either the frequency or severity of the headache. Also try doing several facial saunas a day by warming some water either on the stove or in the microwave and then putting your face over it with your head covered by a towel - but please don't burn yourself - or if you have one of those home facial saunas, that will work as well. Another thing to try is keeping a teapot of boiling water going while you are in the house or even purchasing a humidifier or vaporizer.
Have you been checked for any mold alergens recently - I am wondering if the dust generated from the renovation may have been airborne mold which made its way into your system. Also, if your house is older, you may want to get tested for lead. Was insulation ripped out as well or changes to the outside of the home such as siding - that also can cause problems both in terms of airborne asbestos or fibers and/or changes in the houses ventilation.
I am just mentioning all of this only b/c sometimes it can be something literally right under our noses that we have done and just don't make the connection or see the relationship that triggers something like this.
Have you been checked for any mold alergens recently - I am wondering if the dust generated from the renovation may have been airborne mold which made its way into your system. Also, if your house is older, you may want to get tested for lead. Was insulation ripped out as well or changes to the outside of the home such as siding - that also can cause problems both in terms of airborne asbestos or fibers and/or changes in the houses ventilation.
I am just mentioning all of this only b/c sometimes it can be something literally right under our noses that we have done and just don't make the connection or see the relationship that triggers something like this.
lamalolo
01-15-2009, 01:20 AM
Try using a neti pot to irrigate your sinuses - it can be bought at Walgreens or any pharmacy and looks like a genie latern if you will - it sounds gross but flushing the nasal passages with warm saline water may help keep them mositened and reduce either the frequency or severity of the headache. Also try doing several facial saunas a day by warming some water either on the stove or in the microwave and then putting your face over it with your head covered by a towel - but please don't burn yourself - or if you have one of those home facial saunas, that will work as well. Another thing to try is keeping a teapot of boiling water going while you are in the house or even purchasing a humidifier or vaporizer.
Have you been checked for any mold alergens recently - I am wondering if the dust generated from the renovation may have been airborne mold which made its way into your system. Also, if your house is older, you may want to get tested for lead. Was insulation ripped out as well or changes to the outside of the home such as siding - that also can cause problems both in terms of airborne asbestos or fibers and/or changes in the houses ventilation.
I am just mentioning all of this only b/c sometimes it can be something literally right under our noses that we have done and just don't make the connection or see the relationship that triggers something like this.
Hi Thelma-Louise
I will try your suggestions regarding the sinuses tonight.
I have been avoiding the area of the renovation ever since I got the headache, but I did spend a lot of time there when my headache began. And, The basement is quite moldy, and though I did not spend much time working there, its possible airborne mold could come up to the house.
So - I am not sure, because it is something that was around when the headache started but it was almost completely eliminated in the last month.
I will definitely keep you posted!
Thank you so much!
lamalolo
Have you been checked for any mold alergens recently - I am wondering if the dust generated from the renovation may have been airborne mold which made its way into your system. Also, if your house is older, you may want to get tested for lead. Was insulation ripped out as well or changes to the outside of the home such as siding - that also can cause problems both in terms of airborne asbestos or fibers and/or changes in the houses ventilation.
I am just mentioning all of this only b/c sometimes it can be something literally right under our noses that we have done and just don't make the connection or see the relationship that triggers something like this.
Hi Thelma-Louise
I will try your suggestions regarding the sinuses tonight.
I have been avoiding the area of the renovation ever since I got the headache, but I did spend a lot of time there when my headache began. And, The basement is quite moldy, and though I did not spend much time working there, its possible airborne mold could come up to the house.
So - I am not sure, because it is something that was around when the headache started but it was almost completely eliminated in the last month.
I will definitely keep you posted!
Thank you so much!
lamalolo
lamalolo
01-15-2009, 01:28 AM
I used to have severe headaches for years. Now I know that the bad bite was adding for sure. On the other hand, I learned basically not to have them even though my bad bite was the same then.
I don't know about your overall fitness level, health, nutrition, age, etc. It does seem to me that your tmj is not the cause of your headaches so in your place I'd focus on other things. Sorry to say the well known facts but what we eat is what we get, is who we are!
I assume you are not smoking and drinking. The next on the list (my list :)) is coffee. The next I'd say overall stress. Then eating animal fat and animal protein. Basically, headaches are the sign of body intoxication and acidity, and all animal products are highly acidic. Oh, you can do an easy test: buy/order online the PH test --you'll need to check your urine and saliva few times, it's quick and easy. If it's out of norm then this is the answer.
I can go on forever about nutrition and related things since it's something I've been interested in for few years now. I became a vegan and this is the best decision I made in my life!! It not this I'll be dead by now from my bite/tmj suffering.
Hope this helps.
Yah, if just for the headaches I'd use this enormous money Dr. Klemons wants for myself in other ways, that's for sure. I'd focus on nutrition and relaxation, as I said, not to mention the possible psychological aspect (this is how I cut my headaches in the first place).
Hi StillHope
Thank you so much...
I will definitely try what you suggest. I will order the PH test and try being vegan for a while, though I do love meat... but, I am certainly willing to try anything.
I do smoke some. but I am trying to cut it. I already cut my coffee intake for 1 a day.
I will try to get whatever money I can back from Klemons. I know they had me sign a million papers so I know it will be hard, probably impossible.
I don't usually get tricked into rush decisions... but with my headache and when I was told he will resolve it for me, I think I became blinded. If they only said something like - you can take your time to make a decision, I think that would be much more fair...
...
Thank you so much!
I will keep you posted...
lamalolo
I don't know about your overall fitness level, health, nutrition, age, etc. It does seem to me that your tmj is not the cause of your headaches so in your place I'd focus on other things. Sorry to say the well known facts but what we eat is what we get, is who we are!
I assume you are not smoking and drinking. The next on the list (my list :)) is coffee. The next I'd say overall stress. Then eating animal fat and animal protein. Basically, headaches are the sign of body intoxication and acidity, and all animal products are highly acidic. Oh, you can do an easy test: buy/order online the PH test --you'll need to check your urine and saliva few times, it's quick and easy. If it's out of norm then this is the answer.
I can go on forever about nutrition and related things since it's something I've been interested in for few years now. I became a vegan and this is the best decision I made in my life!! It not this I'll be dead by now from my bite/tmj suffering.
Hope this helps.
Yah, if just for the headaches I'd use this enormous money Dr. Klemons wants for myself in other ways, that's for sure. I'd focus on nutrition and relaxation, as I said, not to mention the possible psychological aspect (this is how I cut my headaches in the first place).
Hi StillHope
Thank you so much...
I will definitely try what you suggest. I will order the PH test and try being vegan for a while, though I do love meat... but, I am certainly willing to try anything.
I do smoke some. but I am trying to cut it. I already cut my coffee intake for 1 a day.
I will try to get whatever money I can back from Klemons. I know they had me sign a million papers so I know it will be hard, probably impossible.
I don't usually get tricked into rush decisions... but with my headache and when I was told he will resolve it for me, I think I became blinded. If they only said something like - you can take your time to make a decision, I think that would be much more fair...
...
Thank you so much!
I will keep you posted...
lamalolo
Thelma-Louise
01-15-2009, 04:24 PM
How long ago did you pay him - most states have a grace periods for such business agreements which allow either party to change their minds. Although the ethical thing to do would be for him to refund what you paid - I wouldn't be surprised if he deducts a lot for his time and "materials" used or lab fees, xrays, etc. Make sure you get the xrays though if he did take any and any models or impressions he may have made or sent to the lab. You never know - they may be of use somewhere down the road.
lamalolo
01-15-2009, 04:50 PM
How long ago did you pay him - most states have a grace periods for such business agreements which allow either party to change their minds. Although the ethical thing to do would be for him to refund what you paid - I wouldn't be surprised if he deducts a lot for his time and "materials" used or lab fees, xrays, etc. Make sure you get the xrays though if he did take any and any models or impressions he may have made or sent to the lab. You never know - they may be of use somewhere down the road.
Thanks Thelma Louise
I was pleasantly surprised that they were immediately willing to refund me for the appliance, they did not order it yet since the impressions did not come out well. They actually called me to let me know about that, and I think that helped with getting the refund.
They still charged me for the appointment, all the tests, etc. but, that is expected.
The strongly advised me against my decision to delay/cancel the treatment...
They said I was diagnosed with arthritis around the jaw and with a disk problem, I don't remember how they called the problem.
I recall in the appointment the Dr. never told me what the diagnosis was, just that he knows what it is and he can treat it. Which is really all I cared about... but not enough information for sure.
I will be trying different things that you and StillHope mentioned, and I will keep you posted!
Thanks
Lamalolo
Thanks Thelma Louise
I was pleasantly surprised that they were immediately willing to refund me for the appliance, they did not order it yet since the impressions did not come out well. They actually called me to let me know about that, and I think that helped with getting the refund.
They still charged me for the appointment, all the tests, etc. but, that is expected.
The strongly advised me against my decision to delay/cancel the treatment...
They said I was diagnosed with arthritis around the jaw and with a disk problem, I don't remember how they called the problem.
I recall in the appointment the Dr. never told me what the diagnosis was, just that he knows what it is and he can treat it. Which is really all I cared about... but not enough information for sure.
I will be trying different things that you and StillHope mentioned, and I will keep you posted!
Thanks
Lamalolo
StillHope
01-15-2009, 11:18 PM
Hi lamalolo,
I am very glad that you got a refund!! You are certainly not the only one to be blinded when being in pain and being asked to pay by a dentist/physician.
It is good that now you can take your time to figure out what kind of treatment you really need.
What confuses me is that your previous MRI test said that all was normal and Dr. Klemons found something with the disk. Did you show to him your MRI? I know it was for the head but tmj is in the head! Ask Dr. Klemons to tell you all the details about your jaw based on his exam, better yet in a written (printed) form. It's worth taking an effort to understand the details of your jaw situation.
TL is absolutely right -- ask them for all the tests/x-rays, models that they have made!
I'd just tell in the office that you need more time to think, this way you will leave it open. But even if you'll need to treat your jaw disks with a splint it might be better (I don't know?) to have it done by a tmj dental specialist and it is likely to be much cheaper than $6k as well. You need to know the exact diagnosis first!
Arthritis is again the damage from acidity or free radicals (it's the same thing). Besides the food we get acidity from stress, pollution, chemicals and so on. So we need to really take constant action in the modern environment to withstand it and remain healthy.
Yes, keep us updated. All the best to you.
I am very glad that you got a refund!! You are certainly not the only one to be blinded when being in pain and being asked to pay by a dentist/physician.
It is good that now you can take your time to figure out what kind of treatment you really need.
What confuses me is that your previous MRI test said that all was normal and Dr. Klemons found something with the disk. Did you show to him your MRI? I know it was for the head but tmj is in the head! Ask Dr. Klemons to tell you all the details about your jaw based on his exam, better yet in a written (printed) form. It's worth taking an effort to understand the details of your jaw situation.
TL is absolutely right -- ask them for all the tests/x-rays, models that they have made!
I'd just tell in the office that you need more time to think, this way you will leave it open. But even if you'll need to treat your jaw disks with a splint it might be better (I don't know?) to have it done by a tmj dental specialist and it is likely to be much cheaper than $6k as well. You need to know the exact diagnosis first!
Arthritis is again the damage from acidity or free radicals (it's the same thing). Besides the food we get acidity from stress, pollution, chemicals and so on. So we need to really take constant action in the modern environment to withstand it and remain healthy.
Yes, keep us updated. All the best to you.
lamalolo
01-15-2009, 11:32 PM
Hi lamalolo,
I am very glad that you got a refund!! You are certainly not the only one to be blinded when being in pain and being asked to pay by a dentist/physician.
It is good that now you can take your time to figure out what kind of treatment you really need.
What confuses me is that your previous MRI test said that all was normal and Dr. Klemons found something with the disk. Did you show to him your MRI? I know it was for the head but tmj is in the head! Ask Dr. Klemons to tell you all the details about your jaw based on his exam, better yet in a written (printed) form. It's worth taking an effort to understand the details of your jaw situation.
TL is absolutely right -- ask them for all the tests/x-rays, models that they have made!
I'd just tell in the office that you need more time to think, this way you will leave it open. But even if you'll need to treat your jaw disks with a splint it might be better (I don't know?) to have it done by a tmj dental specialist and it is likely to be much cheaper than $6k as well. You need to know the exact diagnosis first!
Arthritis is again the damage from acidity or free radicals (it's the same thing). Besides the food we get acidity from stress, pollution, chemicals and so on. So we need to really take constant action in the modern environment to withstand it and remain healthy.
Yes, keep us updated. All the best to you.
Hi StillHope
I brought the cd of the MRI to the appointment, but Dr. Klemons was not interested in seeing it.
He looked at the x rays and said they looked fine. good x rays.
Then he did some other tests, including listening to my jaw with some device, and he said that he heard a click when I open my mouth, and he made me sign a paper saying that I also heard a click. I signed it, but I am not sure what I heard, it was very quick.
I will definitely get all the info from the office. I did tell them exactly that, that I needed more time to think... then she said its not a good idea to wait with the treatment, and the condition will not pass without treatment, only get worse and harder to treat.
Now I am not sure his diagnosis was honest, and I am not sure exactly what it means... but I will make sure to get as much information as possible, thanks for stressing that point...
Thank you!!!
lamalolo
I am very glad that you got a refund!! You are certainly not the only one to be blinded when being in pain and being asked to pay by a dentist/physician.
It is good that now you can take your time to figure out what kind of treatment you really need.
What confuses me is that your previous MRI test said that all was normal and Dr. Klemons found something with the disk. Did you show to him your MRI? I know it was for the head but tmj is in the head! Ask Dr. Klemons to tell you all the details about your jaw based on his exam, better yet in a written (printed) form. It's worth taking an effort to understand the details of your jaw situation.
TL is absolutely right -- ask them for all the tests/x-rays, models that they have made!
I'd just tell in the office that you need more time to think, this way you will leave it open. But even if you'll need to treat your jaw disks with a splint it might be better (I don't know?) to have it done by a tmj dental specialist and it is likely to be much cheaper than $6k as well. You need to know the exact diagnosis first!
Arthritis is again the damage from acidity or free radicals (it's the same thing). Besides the food we get acidity from stress, pollution, chemicals and so on. So we need to really take constant action in the modern environment to withstand it and remain healthy.
Yes, keep us updated. All the best to you.
Hi StillHope
I brought the cd of the MRI to the appointment, but Dr. Klemons was not interested in seeing it.
He looked at the x rays and said they looked fine. good x rays.
Then he did some other tests, including listening to my jaw with some device, and he said that he heard a click when I open my mouth, and he made me sign a paper saying that I also heard a click. I signed it, but I am not sure what I heard, it was very quick.
I will definitely get all the info from the office. I did tell them exactly that, that I needed more time to think... then she said its not a good idea to wait with the treatment, and the condition will not pass without treatment, only get worse and harder to treat.
Now I am not sure his diagnosis was honest, and I am not sure exactly what it means... but I will make sure to get as much information as possible, thanks for stressing that point...
Thank you!!!
lamalolo
StillHope
01-16-2009, 09:56 PM
lamalolo, you wrote:
[ Then he did some other tests, including listening to my jaw with some device, and he said that he heard a click when I open my mouth, and he made me sign a paper saying that I also heard a click. I signed it, but I am not sure what I heard, it was very quick.]
That's EXACTLY what they did to me. But I had this test, called Doppler test, done in another office and I know that my jaw does NOT click!!
Wow! They surely don't expect patients to share their tactics.
Yes, get educated as much as you can, and do observations on your headaches. I am sure there are days when it's better, so try to notice what is different.
Surely, focus on reducing your stress by whatever you can. Maybe get a massage, or try a meditation class, do breathing exercises, or buy a juicer to drink fresh veggie juices daily (this is a good start on the nutritional side) or whatever you might like.
Keep us posted.
[ Then he did some other tests, including listening to my jaw with some device, and he said that he heard a click when I open my mouth, and he made me sign a paper saying that I also heard a click. I signed it, but I am not sure what I heard, it was very quick.]
That's EXACTLY what they did to me. But I had this test, called Doppler test, done in another office and I know that my jaw does NOT click!!
Wow! They surely don't expect patients to share their tactics.
Yes, get educated as much as you can, and do observations on your headaches. I am sure there are days when it's better, so try to notice what is different.
Surely, focus on reducing your stress by whatever you can. Maybe get a massage, or try a meditation class, do breathing exercises, or buy a juicer to drink fresh veggie juices daily (this is a good start on the nutritional side) or whatever you might like.
Keep us posted.
dinatwin
01-23-2009, 01:23 PM
Hi all,
I have been researching Dr. Klemmons and was thinking about seeing him. I have had headaches everyday (some days horrible some days not to bad) since I was 16. It's just getting worse. I have seen neurologists ortho docs chiropractors to no avail no help at all. Now the headaches are getting worse and I have had ringing in my ear for 2 years now and that's getting worse by the day also feeling of fullness in my ears like I'm under water or their clogged. I went to my primary and they found nothing. I was diagnosed with TMJ when i was a teen and had a retainer thing but that did nothing so i have avoided treatment since. (the retainer just moved my teeth around but did not relieve the headaches)
I feel horrible and i want a normal life. I'm from Central Jersey as well do you guys have any recommendations of any docs that can help?
Thanks so much!!
Dina
I have been researching Dr. Klemmons and was thinking about seeing him. I have had headaches everyday (some days horrible some days not to bad) since I was 16. It's just getting worse. I have seen neurologists ortho docs chiropractors to no avail no help at all. Now the headaches are getting worse and I have had ringing in my ear for 2 years now and that's getting worse by the day also feeling of fullness in my ears like I'm under water or their clogged. I went to my primary and they found nothing. I was diagnosed with TMJ when i was a teen and had a retainer thing but that did nothing so i have avoided treatment since. (the retainer just moved my teeth around but did not relieve the headaches)
I feel horrible and i want a normal life. I'm from Central Jersey as well do you guys have any recommendations of any docs that can help?
Thanks so much!!
Dina
StillHope
01-23-2009, 03:59 PM
I wish I could recommend someone to you, not yet! Hopefully soon!
You need to check your bite not just your tmj! It seems that your tmj is not damaged. Did you have any tests like MRI, ctScan, x-rays, etc.?
You might be just hitting too hard on your back teeth based on clogged feeling in your ears. The headaches are in a good agreement with the heavy contacts, that's exactly why they start.
Dr. Klemons might make you a splint for $6K plus... but he will NOT do any dental work which you might need unless you just want to live with the splint forever. He refused to recommend any dentist when I asked him.
I'd suggest to look for specialists from Pankey institute and/or the Kois center (they will give you a list of whom to see). But be careful with ANY dentist and ask for the back up before making any changes to your bite. Always keep models of what you have and of what they did.
You need to check your bite not just your tmj! It seems that your tmj is not damaged. Did you have any tests like MRI, ctScan, x-rays, etc.?
You might be just hitting too hard on your back teeth based on clogged feeling in your ears. The headaches are in a good agreement with the heavy contacts, that's exactly why they start.
Dr. Klemons might make you a splint for $6K plus... but he will NOT do any dental work which you might need unless you just want to live with the splint forever. He refused to recommend any dentist when I asked him.
I'd suggest to look for specialists from Pankey institute and/or the Kois center (they will give you a list of whom to see). But be careful with ANY dentist and ask for the back up before making any changes to your bite. Always keep models of what you have and of what they did.
headache2years
10-18-2009, 01:25 AM
Hi everyone. I have now been suffering from terrible headaches for over 2 years. I am not able to work, or function optimally due to them. I too went for my consultation to Dr. Klemons and felt pressured, due to being in so much pain for so long, & due to them saying they feel they can really help & they have a 90%+ success rate, etc. to sign up for their payment plan for 6,300! I took the impressions for the splint & just got a call that it's in. Now I'm starting to have some doubts & suspicions. I'm not sure what to do! I'm SO confused!! Over the 2 years, I've gone to neurologists, had a surgery on my sinuses, had massages, been for acupuncture, been to chiropractors, change my diet, had 2 different eyeglass perscriptions, tried numerous vitamins & minerals & tons of different medications, & still I'm in loads of pain most of the time!! So when I was sitting there & the way he explained it sounded like it made sense & he felt strongly that he couls really help, & they had books & books of thank you letters, I sorta just fell into it & signed up for it. Now I just don't know what to do! It still may be possible that he's legit, but maybe not. Can anyone please help me??
Thelma-Louise
10-18-2009, 02:36 PM
Unfortunately there is no guarantee with any dr that his treatment will help or not - some drs do very well with some patients and not so well with others - its one of the reasons so many of us end up going from dr to dr and spending rediculous amts of money. Although we can limit our risk of failure by doing research and asking for referrals it still often comes down to "trial and error". I know where you are coming from as that is how I picked my first tmj dentist - he was the first one to say that I wasn't crazy, that he could help me, was so understanding and sympathetic, had written books on tmj, etc and I just wanted the pain to end.
With that said a lot of your "risk" comes from not having stop loss measures - if you can, ask if his office can give you the names of numbers of some current patients you can speak to (this can help alleviate some of your fears or confirm them) and find out what happens if his treatment does not work (does he use various splints or one size fits all) and if there are other options he will try. If you signed a contract find out how many appts or bite adjustments it covers and ask for a detailed or itemized list of the charges that add up to the $6300 - this way if you stop treatment mid-way (and paid in full up front) you can then request a partial refund of services not yet provided and will know how much the refund should be. By now he should have explained exactly what he thinks is the problem or is wrong and what treatment he will use - find out out what this is and do some research on it on the web and here in the forums - many members here have tried various treatments and my be able to help you with any questions you may have about the treamtent, etc. Lastly at any point during treatment if symptoms increase or intensify - do not blindly continue - no treatment should make things worse - while there is a period of adjustment and possibly a slight increase in pain level during the early weeks of splint therapy, it should never get to the point of incapacitating you more than what you are today.
Good luck - I hope things work out and please post with updates during your treatment.
With that said a lot of your "risk" comes from not having stop loss measures - if you can, ask if his office can give you the names of numbers of some current patients you can speak to (this can help alleviate some of your fears or confirm them) and find out what happens if his treatment does not work (does he use various splints or one size fits all) and if there are other options he will try. If you signed a contract find out how many appts or bite adjustments it covers and ask for a detailed or itemized list of the charges that add up to the $6300 - this way if you stop treatment mid-way (and paid in full up front) you can then request a partial refund of services not yet provided and will know how much the refund should be. By now he should have explained exactly what he thinks is the problem or is wrong and what treatment he will use - find out out what this is and do some research on it on the web and here in the forums - many members here have tried various treatments and my be able to help you with any questions you may have about the treamtent, etc. Lastly at any point during treatment if symptoms increase or intensify - do not blindly continue - no treatment should make things worse - while there is a period of adjustment and possibly a slight increase in pain level during the early weeks of splint therapy, it should never get to the point of incapacitating you more than what you are today.
Good luck - I hope things work out and please post with updates during your treatment.
tmrots
10-18-2009, 04:54 PM
I went to him last Dec. and never went back. the treatment plan for me would be $6500 and I couldn't afford it. The office did try to get my health insurance to pay for it, we went back and forth with no luck, so I decided against it. I would like to hear someone who had luck there too. there are days that are so bad, I have almost just charged it all, but then I back out. He did seem like a car salesman but all those testimonials seemed legit too. It is such a hard decision. I called several other TMJ dentists in NJ and they gave me similar prices without even seeing me, so, here in good old NJ that's the going rate I'm afraid. I wish you luck.