LL37
03-20-2009, 11:00 PM
Hi,
I'm working with rehabilitating and have what I'm thinking is muscle imbalances in my neck and it's strength after a whiplash 5 months ago, and have gone back and forth from 2 different kind of health providers, and have found out I have torn discs, and one is bulging, etc..but I think my primary issue is the vertigo from suboccipital spams and SCM spasms when they get used. I'm just working on choosing how care is done for me and their advice, and working with limitations and having only certain companies take the auto insurance for the accident. I'm just hoping to find a friend who'd dealt with some of this, or a few people to chat with that can say they've been there. I'm finding Doctor's confusing, and I've hurt my neck before and I just feel particularly more confused and perplexed, and one group will do just these treatments and the other will just do those. And my chiro. that I just went back to is trying to make change fast, and I'm struggling with recovery from appointments and spasms. I'm hoping next week to ask and coordinate some form of physical therapy and this Chiro. I've never known if it can be done, or if since this Chiro. has a Dr. that comes by once per week and can take over some management of my case/meds, etc...he can agree or discuss this and negotitate since my muscles are needing so much support that maybe a way to do this without the physical therapy being too little care, and the chiro.beign too much, to incorporate the two and do less chiro. and some physical therapy with exercise(for building muscles/stability). Anway I'm just hoping to find others who've worked with the med. community and found interesting or combinations of treatements that may have worked too?
I'm working with rehabilitating and have what I'm thinking is muscle imbalances in my neck and it's strength after a whiplash 5 months ago, and have gone back and forth from 2 different kind of health providers, and have found out I have torn discs, and one is bulging, etc..but I think my primary issue is the vertigo from suboccipital spams and SCM spasms when they get used. I'm just working on choosing how care is done for me and their advice, and working with limitations and having only certain companies take the auto insurance for the accident. I'm just hoping to find a friend who'd dealt with some of this, or a few people to chat with that can say they've been there. I'm finding Doctor's confusing, and I've hurt my neck before and I just feel particularly more confused and perplexed, and one group will do just these treatments and the other will just do those. And my chiro. that I just went back to is trying to make change fast, and I'm struggling with recovery from appointments and spasms. I'm hoping next week to ask and coordinate some form of physical therapy and this Chiro. I've never known if it can be done, or if since this Chiro. has a Dr. that comes by once per week and can take over some management of my case/meds, etc...he can agree or discuss this and negotitate since my muscles are needing so much support that maybe a way to do this without the physical therapy being too little care, and the chiro.beign too much, to incorporate the two and do less chiro. and some physical therapy with exercise(for building muscles/stability). Anway I'm just hoping to find others who've worked with the med. community and found interesting or combinations of treatements that may have worked too?
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neckpatient
03-22-2009, 03:09 AM
Hi - I am a patient like you. I have been dealing with spine issues since 2004 and have done just about every treatment out there except for nerve burning. I was wondering if you have the text of your MRI that you can post here. From my personal experience if I had torn discs (did they tell you annular tears??) I don't think I would be doing chiro manipulations - you could actually herniate them more, leaking disc material into spinal cord and nerve root areas and make more pain which can also initiate more muscle spasms. If you post more detail maybe I can offer some spinal experience advice. If you do have a leak this could also be causing ther vertigo or if you have any compression or from the whiplash compression you could have traumatized the cord.
cjlivinlife
03-22-2009, 09:30 AM
Be careful with the chriopractor! I think that is what put me over the edge with my neck. I always had bone spurs and arthritis in my neck and a little pain in my left shoulder blade but I went to a chriopractor and I should have known when he didn't do any xrays. He started doing adjustments and then I started getting some tingling and numbness in my left arm and hand so he tired a different neck adjustment and it was like pins and needles going down my arm. I think he put me over the top with herniated discs at C5-7 and compression on the spinal cord. My neuro told me that you should never ever let a chriopractor adjust your neck, that it is way too fragile. He said that it is ok on the rest of your back and sometimes there is a need for it but never on the neck. So be careful and I hope you see some relief.
Take care,
Take care,
feelbad
03-22-2009, 01:19 PM
a big ditto on what NP just told you. did you actually even have an MRI done or was this limited info from just a plain x ray? if you DO have an MRI report, letting us see the findings at the very end of that report in the "summary" would help us to really give you the very best type of advice for your extent of problems, not everyone should see a chiro,trust me on that one. marcia
nochange
03-22-2009, 02:07 PM
dear laura. i've had a severe whiplash almost 3.5 years ago. i have 2 bulging disks, that's what was in the mri. anyway, i've done physical therapy, tens, massage, you name it. nothing helps. it only gets worst and worst as years go by...i don't have any single day without neck pain and it's pretty severe. i'm taking pain medication like percocet(doctor said not more than half a pill! so i won't be addicted, can you believe it), now using lyrica...it helped in the first month now totally losing its strengh.
i can't sleep at night since the whiplash i had. i don't have any position in the pillow i can lay my neck and sleep without sleeping pills.
now they offer me to go to accupuncture perhaps you should try this.
sory i don't have so many great news. i can't explain you all the pain i have to deal on a daily basis with my neck. i hope in your case things will get better. mine never did.
i can't sleep at night since the whiplash i had. i don't have any position in the pillow i can lay my neck and sleep without sleeping pills.
now they offer me to go to accupuncture perhaps you should try this.
sory i don't have so many great news. i can't explain you all the pain i have to deal on a daily basis with my neck. i hope in your case things will get better. mine never did.
LL37
03-25-2009, 04:39 AM
I think you are right, I had an agressive chiro. and I'm trading back to the group that is treating mostly muscles and spasm with myofascial release and will giveme exercises to balance my whiplash weak muscles.
LL37
03-25-2009, 04:42 AM
SOmething about a bulging disc and two torn ones, c4 and I think. And Thoracic Outlet Syndrome, but I was told I have chronic myofascial pain years ago. I have scapulas that are pretty frozen and have dealt with muscle pain with them for about 8 years now and am just trying to treat my neck to stop being dizzy and having my SCM, suboccipitals and scalenes become more stable and less spasmotic.
LL37
03-25-2009, 04:43 AM
I didn't think this was a severe whiplash, it just was the third in 17 years tough, and I had preexisting problems with my shoulder girdle/chronic myofascial pain.
feelbad
03-25-2009, 11:38 AM
i am really glad you are trying the myofascial release laura. this particular therepy, out of many many others that i have tried over the years really truely IS the ONLY therepy that has helped with all my ongoing muscle damage that simply keep firing out trigger point wads. i have the worst of them underneath both shoulder blades. my myo guy also combines the release therepy with another called cranioscaral therepy too.
this other therepy helps "unwind" all of the traumas within the CNS that just get "stored"(in the very type of way that pain can imprint itself neuropathically upon a constantly inflammed or impinged nerve over time?) with any injury we have thru our lives. anything that would cause true pain just also automatically would affect that main CNS/cord area too. it really does help me tons. it also helps to 'right' the actual CSF flow within that dura that just is a wide open area that runs from the dura surrounding the brain on down thru the scaral area at the very bottom of our spinal cords. hence the "craniosacral' name. there just is a natural occuring regular tide flow that is supposed to flow back and forth between the brain(where the CSF gets replenished)and down to the sacral area then back agan. this can become congested or blocked from certain spinal issues or in some cases,you can have impairment from some level of congenital structural issue too. but that ebb and flow needs to be regular and on time. mine was off a few seconds which he has corrected over time. most myofascial therepists also use this along with the myo release. you can ask your therepist about it.
it does matter to us in how this flow is and how clear that dura just is too. unwinding all stored traumas in that CNS really is a crucial thing as well. my biggest insult to my CNS, besides the tons of surgerys that aso affect it because of the pain involved along with any true injury we suffer( i had a very accident prone childhood)was most definitely my surgery that involved actually cutting directly into my actual cord about one third of the way to try and remove a cavernous hemangioma that i had been born with but never knew about. the direct insult to that CNS just made alot of other things go insane during that first and the next three myo appts i had. my body just went crazy. i was just floppin and flippin and spasming like you would not believe(i also just carry in me a VERY high almost hyper body tone from the spinal cord injury itself). there was just sooo much energy that had to be released from within that CNS.
its gotten tons better now since i started this therepy about a year and a half ago. i can REALLY tell with how my body just is if i don't get this now like every week, all my crap just doubles up in intensity when i finally see him again. this is just because of the overall extent of both my severe muscle damge in my upper neck area and the crappy mess my c spine is in from going downhill from alot of ongoing deterioration. everything just keeps recycling itself if you cannot fix tht generator.
but i really would ask your myo person about that craniosacral therepy too, he or she may also do this too. it just really helps with doing it along with the release at the same time. marcia
this other therepy helps "unwind" all of the traumas within the CNS that just get "stored"(in the very type of way that pain can imprint itself neuropathically upon a constantly inflammed or impinged nerve over time?) with any injury we have thru our lives. anything that would cause true pain just also automatically would affect that main CNS/cord area too. it really does help me tons. it also helps to 'right' the actual CSF flow within that dura that just is a wide open area that runs from the dura surrounding the brain on down thru the scaral area at the very bottom of our spinal cords. hence the "craniosacral' name. there just is a natural occuring regular tide flow that is supposed to flow back and forth between the brain(where the CSF gets replenished)and down to the sacral area then back agan. this can become congested or blocked from certain spinal issues or in some cases,you can have impairment from some level of congenital structural issue too. but that ebb and flow needs to be regular and on time. mine was off a few seconds which he has corrected over time. most myofascial therepists also use this along with the myo release. you can ask your therepist about it.
it does matter to us in how this flow is and how clear that dura just is too. unwinding all stored traumas in that CNS really is a crucial thing as well. my biggest insult to my CNS, besides the tons of surgerys that aso affect it because of the pain involved along with any true injury we suffer( i had a very accident prone childhood)was most definitely my surgery that involved actually cutting directly into my actual cord about one third of the way to try and remove a cavernous hemangioma that i had been born with but never knew about. the direct insult to that CNS just made alot of other things go insane during that first and the next three myo appts i had. my body just went crazy. i was just floppin and flippin and spasming like you would not believe(i also just carry in me a VERY high almost hyper body tone from the spinal cord injury itself). there was just sooo much energy that had to be released from within that CNS.
its gotten tons better now since i started this therepy about a year and a half ago. i can REALLY tell with how my body just is if i don't get this now like every week, all my crap just doubles up in intensity when i finally see him again. this is just because of the overall extent of both my severe muscle damge in my upper neck area and the crappy mess my c spine is in from going downhill from alot of ongoing deterioration. everything just keeps recycling itself if you cannot fix tht generator.
but i really would ask your myo person about that craniosacral therepy too, he or she may also do this too. it just really helps with doing it along with the release at the same time. marcia
LL37
03-29-2009, 11:01 PM
Thanks for responding, I'd love to say I understood all of what you said...but I've not gotten that much experience in this stuff to date. I've read some online, and it sounds like the word craniosacro was used before in some evaluation I read or heard of somewhere in my memory. Unless it was the NUCCA therapy I heard of from another friend. I am scared and depressed and angry and confused. I've now got symptoms of scalene trigger points as the internet says, I know I've had those intercostil trigger points and some around my teres for years that I've been rubbing with a tennis ball against the wall. But the symptom online says the scalenes can cause a coldness in your arms, which is a newer symptom for me since I had used that more agressive chirporactor.