ibuandubme
07-20-2005, 01:41 AM
In 2003 I Got Really Ill Levels Were 285/305 Alt Was Going Down And Ast Was On The Rise Ive Slowed My Drinking Down But Have Not Stoped I Get On 1 And 2 Days Bindges Usually A Fifth At A Time I Just Got Off Of A 3 Day Bindge My Last Drink Was On Saturday I Have Kinda Got Over The Shakes Etc.. But Still My Liver Hurts On/off Usually The Pain Goes Away After A Few Days I Just Cant Drink Any More Im Sure I Will Be Fine As Far As The Pain Goes I Just Need To Know How Messed Up I Am...im 41 Ive Been Drinking Since I Was 17 More So Hard Booze In The Mid 90,s Not Every Day Just Bindge Drinking I Cant Afford To Go To The Doc,s Now So Im Kinda Looking For A Little Bit Of Peace Of Mind....thanks......steve
Call your local Alcoholics Anonymous group, get someone to pick you up for meetings asap. You cannot stop by yourself and you can't slow down. It's a disease you have, called alcoholism! You are an alcoholic and your doctor will probably tell you to stop your drinking. PERIOD! You could have liver cancer.
Do you work steadily? Have a wife? Kids?
I can't say, being married to a recovering alcoholic of 21 years (married 26), that I feel sorry for you. You have to hit rock bottom before you quit and I guess you're not there yet. What your rock bottom is I don't know, but you obviously need something drastic to happen to you. Just liver pain isn't enough, is it? How about diagnosis of cancer? Or losing everything you own? How about killing someone in a binge weekend and not know it? All these have been done by alcoholics. Do you have blackouts too?
When you are at the bottom, you will be begging for someone to help you quit and we will not hear this kind of talk anymore ("Not Every Day Just Bindge Drinking" = only on weekends, so I'm not an alcoholic, or I drink only beer or I drink because it's snowing, raining, the ballgame is on, lonely, happy, sad, lost a girl, found a new girl, it was on sale, no work tomorrow, lost my job, got a new job, just had a new baby, bought a house, sold a house, sun is shining, barbeque time, it's cloudy, I'm sick, I'm well, I'm tired, I'm awake, HELL, it's a BIG FOOTBALL weekend, or no reason at all, just "binging.")
I'm not trying to hurt you, but if you want sympathy, I won't be the one to give it to you. I am not an enabler. I believe in tough love and personally, if you want to drink yourself to death, it's your problem, not ours.
Go call AA and get rid of the booze. You know if you didn't drink all that hard liquor, you'd have money for the doctor. How much does a few bottles of booze cost today? Adds up doesn't it?
Call your local Alcoholics Anonymous group, get someone to pick you up for meetings asap. You cannot stop by yourself and you can't slow down. It's a disease you have, called alcoholism! You are an alcoholic and your doctor will probably tell you to stop your drinking. PERIOD! You could have liver cancer.
Do you work steadily? Have a wife? Kids?
I can't say, being married to a recovering alcoholic of 21 years (married 26), that I feel sorry for you. You have to hit rock bottom before you quit and I guess you're not there yet. What your rock bottom is I don't know, but you obviously need something drastic to happen to you. Just liver pain isn't enough, is it? How about diagnosis of cancer? Or losing everything you own? How about killing someone in a binge weekend and not know it? All these have been done by alcoholics. Do you have blackouts too?
When you are at the bottom, you will be begging for someone to help you quit and we will not hear this kind of talk anymore ("Not Every Day Just Bindge Drinking" = only on weekends, so I'm not an alcoholic, or I drink only beer or I drink because it's snowing, raining, the ballgame is on, lonely, happy, sad, lost a girl, found a new girl, it was on sale, no work tomorrow, lost my job, got a new job, just had a new baby, bought a house, sold a house, sun is shining, barbeque time, it's cloudy, I'm sick, I'm well, I'm tired, I'm awake, HELL, it's a BIG FOOTBALL weekend, or no reason at all, just "binging.")
I'm not trying to hurt you, but if you want sympathy, I won't be the one to give it to you. I am not an enabler. I believe in tough love and personally, if you want to drink yourself to death, it's your problem, not ours.
Go call AA and get rid of the booze. You know if you didn't drink all that hard liquor, you'd have money for the doctor. How much does a few bottles of booze cost today? Adds up doesn't it?
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ibuandubme
07-20-2005, 01:44 AM
Went to the doc today and only the ALT was elevated to 92. Not that bad, really, when you figure I take a lot of prescription meds. A part of my right lower lung is damaged due to COPD, I guess and pneumonitis. So that may be causing some pain. He said take deep breaths often. I'm taking milk thistle to cleans my liver and also going to put cod liver oil compresses on starting tomorrow. That and the diet change should help the pain stay away, which has all but gone now.
edog
07-23-2005, 08:05 AM
What's up everyone... Just curious, has anyone ever had a test called and ERCP (Endoscopic Retrograde Cholangiopancreatography)... Just came across it, seems to be a pretty thorough way to check out liver, pancreas, gallbladder, duodenem, and all the ducts that connect those organs... I'm still suffering from the mysterious right side discomfort, no answers, was contemplating going pursuing this test, but would appreciate any feedback that anyone here might have, if they are familiar.
Edog
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daveyuk
07-23-2005, 09:36 AM
Guess what? I have the SAME problem!
I actually think it maybe due to musles/nerves because I also get it in my left rib as well. I spoke to my dad about this (he knows quite a lot about this kinda stuff) and he said (in not so many words) that it has all the classic hallmarks of a trapped nerve or something to do with the actual ribs them selfs as it comes and goes, even the doctors I have seen said more or less the same thing and it's not related to a fatty liver.
I also know people who have had this exact kind of clean, sharp, pin pr1ck type pain in their ribs, they also say it comes and goes. It maybe have something to do with stress to, I know know stress is a master at cloning illnesses.
Does anyone feel a kind of "pop" or "click" and then it goes?
p.s, it feels a little itch as well sometimes.
I actually think it maybe due to musles/nerves because I also get it in my left rib as well. I spoke to my dad about this (he knows quite a lot about this kinda stuff) and he said (in not so many words) that it has all the classic hallmarks of a trapped nerve or something to do with the actual ribs them selfs as it comes and goes, even the doctors I have seen said more or less the same thing and it's not related to a fatty liver.
I also know people who have had this exact kind of clean, sharp, pin pr1ck type pain in their ribs, they also say it comes and goes. It maybe have something to do with stress to, I know know stress is a master at cloning illnesses.
Does anyone feel a kind of "pop" or "click" and then it goes?
p.s, it feels a little itch as well sometimes.
driving4hours
07-23-2005, 10:34 PM
Dear APJ,
My husband went through years of abdominal pain. He had many tests which came out negative. He had his gallbladder removed. He had his appendics removed (it was surrounded by scar tissue) then he had a bile duct exploration where they found scar tissue on the inside of his bile duct. After that surgery the pain was gone, but new pain started. First he had fluid in his abdomen, then they told him the pain was scar tissue and then they told him he had a neuroma (a benign tumor wrapped around damaged nerves.He went on the Fentynal patch 50 mg. --usually used for cancer patients, and a very high dose of neurontin. What I'm getting at is that sometimes tests come out negative but that doesn't mean nothing is wrong. And sometimes there are things wrong that tests can't tell you. Abdominal pain is the number 1 reason for people going into the E.R. and unfortuneately it is also the most difficult pain to diagnose. Don't give up. It is so difficult when you are in pain, but also so necessary. Find as much info on your own as you can. research any drug they prescribe for you before you start taking it. Become informed. You are your own best advocate. No one else will do it for you. You must be assertive and take charge of your health care. Be respectful of the docs but do not let them intimadate you either.
My husband went through years of abdominal pain. He had many tests which came out negative. He had his gallbladder removed. He had his appendics removed (it was surrounded by scar tissue) then he had a bile duct exploration where they found scar tissue on the inside of his bile duct. After that surgery the pain was gone, but new pain started. First he had fluid in his abdomen, then they told him the pain was scar tissue and then they told him he had a neuroma (a benign tumor wrapped around damaged nerves.He went on the Fentynal patch 50 mg. --usually used for cancer patients, and a very high dose of neurontin. What I'm getting at is that sometimes tests come out negative but that doesn't mean nothing is wrong. And sometimes there are things wrong that tests can't tell you. Abdominal pain is the number 1 reason for people going into the E.R. and unfortuneately it is also the most difficult pain to diagnose. Don't give up. It is so difficult when you are in pain, but also so necessary. Find as much info on your own as you can. research any drug they prescribe for you before you start taking it. Become informed. You are your own best advocate. No one else will do it for you. You must be assertive and take charge of your health care. Be respectful of the docs but do not let them intimadate you either.
driving4hours
07-23-2005, 10:41 PM
My husband also had pain after having his gallbladder out. It turned out he had scar tissue on the inside of his bile duct.
ibuandubme
07-24-2005, 05:22 PM
I started taking Milk Thistle to cleans my liver and the pain is now altogether gone (after a full week); also added Digestaway and Artichoke Extract to this and now I don't have to take Prevacid anymore (NO acid reflux for the first time in years)!
Milk Thistle as I said cleanses the liver; Digestaway helps digestion and helps your liver digest and gets rid of fatty deposits; also helps IBS (which I had and it did!) and helps a lot of other stomach problems. Artichoke Extract helps cleans the liver also. I bought all of these for under $30 at my local health food store. They really WORK!
This was after I had undergone tests, though, and nothing was found. So, do seek your doctor's opinion first and if he winds up scratching his head, YOU head for the health food store and ask for those 3 herbs. I'm not claiming they work for everyone and am not a doctor or nurse, but they worked for me. They can't HURT
Oh and to reiterate for those who didn't know, I had this pain for over 8 months! It's G O N E. :bouncing:
Milk Thistle as I said cleanses the liver; Digestaway helps digestion and helps your liver digest and gets rid of fatty deposits; also helps IBS (which I had and it did!) and helps a lot of other stomach problems. Artichoke Extract helps cleans the liver also. I bought all of these for under $30 at my local health food store. They really WORK!
This was after I had undergone tests, though, and nothing was found. So, do seek your doctor's opinion first and if he winds up scratching his head, YOU head for the health food store and ask for those 3 herbs. I'm not claiming they work for everyone and am not a doctor or nurse, but they worked for me. They can't HURT
Oh and to reiterate for those who didn't know, I had this pain for over 8 months! It's G O N E. :bouncing:
dhayse32
07-25-2005, 12:49 PM
Thank God!! I have been wondering if I was the only one who felt like this. I am 21 years old and have had similar symptoms to what you all have had. The doctor told me he thought it was just a muscle but if so then there is no cure in my opinion. My pain comes from my right side below my ribs and comes and goes as it pleases. It feels fine then something tweeks it and it hurts for hours. The only way to help it is to stretch out completely, which still hurts. I thought it maybe a type of hernia or something but I am unsure. I have not been to the doctor in over a year, since it developed. Is Gall Bladder trouble hereditary??? My dad had his removed last year so you never know! Thanks for the help everyone.
blanklove24
07-29-2005, 03:25 AM
Hi, umm... well im kinda new to this... but i tend to have this sharp pain right below my ribs. I read some of your posts about testing and alcohol... well im 16 and i dont drink and i still get these pains. Could it be from smoking... the pain is there but it gets pretty bad when i take deep breaths. Am i talking about the same thing that you are all talking about or am i wayy off? Plz post back.
rightrib
07-30-2005, 02:15 PM
Hi everyone, what can i say but this is quite bizarre. I myself am experiencing pain/discomfort in the lower right rib cage area, but also lower down sometimes in the abdominal area, and more recently in my mid to lower back region.
It started about a week ago just out of the blue and is really bothersome. I was using an exercise bike, so I am not sure if that caused me to strain my muscles or nerves. I have also noticed a difference in my digestive system, my bowel movements have changed and i tend to be more constipated then before. I always had a normal system with no problems, so naturally, like all of you I am worried. I eat plenty of fruits and vegetables, drink lots of water and work out, so I think my diet is alright.
I had an ultrasound done earlier this week as well as urine test, but normal, and two doctors already said that they didn't detect anything unusual. So I will be having more tests done this week, but probably they won't reveal anything. It's a scary thought to think that this pain may never go away!!!!
Anyways i am going to print some of these posts to give to my doctor, so he knows that there are other people with the exact same pain and that we are not Crazy! Hopefully people will start paying more attention to this.
It started about a week ago just out of the blue and is really bothersome. I was using an exercise bike, so I am not sure if that caused me to strain my muscles or nerves. I have also noticed a difference in my digestive system, my bowel movements have changed and i tend to be more constipated then before. I always had a normal system with no problems, so naturally, like all of you I am worried. I eat plenty of fruits and vegetables, drink lots of water and work out, so I think my diet is alright.
I had an ultrasound done earlier this week as well as urine test, but normal, and two doctors already said that they didn't detect anything unusual. So I will be having more tests done this week, but probably they won't reveal anything. It's a scary thought to think that this pain may never go away!!!!
Anyways i am going to print some of these posts to give to my doctor, so he knows that there are other people with the exact same pain and that we are not Crazy! Hopefully people will start paying more attention to this.
ibuandubme
07-31-2005, 03:06 AM
To dhayse32, rightrib and blanklove24,
Go see your doctor!
For blanklove24, you said: "Could it be from smoking... the pain is there but it gets pretty bad when i take deep breaths."
You could have strained a muscle or have a cold in your rib cage or chest. It could also be a lung problem and yes that would be from smoking. Do you have a cough? That is from smoking and will strain your muscles. Stop smoking. It doesn't make you look cool, nor does it help your health. More women have early heart attacks from smoking than men. Plus your breath smells from stale smoke, your hair smells like stale smoke and no one can smell your perfume for the smoke in your clothes and skin. I used to smoke, so I'll tell you like it is. QUIT now before it's too late. Do you have a car? Smelled it lately? YECH! Take it from me, it's disgusting. I didn't listen either and am now out of the loop at age 54. I almost died. It's not worth it honey.
For rightrib, it sounds like you have IBS (irritable bowel syndrome) or also strained a muscle from riding the bike or lifting something heavy. You can't strain nerves! You need definitely to see a doctor who specializes in stomach ailments. You could also have an ulcer, pancreatitis, liver problems or lung or kidney problems. The best thing is start with a chest xray and work their way to thyroid tests, liver tests, and then a gastroenterologist to do some stomach tests. That should rule out just about everything.
What organ did they ultrasound? It turned out to be my liver, as stated, from statins and now that I take Super Digestaway, Milk Thistle, Artichoke Extract and Probiotics, I have no more pain and no more IBS. The doctor is still scratching his head over the pain for 8 months disappearing with herbal treatment.
Does your doctor really have time to read chatboard posts? Mine doesn't. Everyone is different. Some here drink, some don't.. some have liver probs, some don't. This ailment is as individual as you and I are.
For dhayse32, yes it could be a muscle and probably is. It definitely not gall bladder pain which is so different than this. Gall bladder feels like stomach pain and goes into the back on the right side. I don't think it's hereditary. I had mine removed, but was the first one in the family to have this done. It depends on diet, not what dad ate, but what you eat. If you eat fatty foods, there is a good chance you will have gall bladder problems later on in life. It's too early to have any now I think. You're too young. Do you get this pain after exercising, running or walking? It used to help when I stretched out also. I haven't had any problems in the past couple of weeks though. I feel for you, I really do, all of you.
Please try to encourage your doctor to look deeper. Someone also mentioned ovaries, so go see a GYN if you're female and have him check. Appendix is also on the right side, so have that checked. Any doctor that disses you and tells you it's nothing is wrong.
Go see your doctor!
For blanklove24, you said: "Could it be from smoking... the pain is there but it gets pretty bad when i take deep breaths."
You could have strained a muscle or have a cold in your rib cage or chest. It could also be a lung problem and yes that would be from smoking. Do you have a cough? That is from smoking and will strain your muscles. Stop smoking. It doesn't make you look cool, nor does it help your health. More women have early heart attacks from smoking than men. Plus your breath smells from stale smoke, your hair smells like stale smoke and no one can smell your perfume for the smoke in your clothes and skin. I used to smoke, so I'll tell you like it is. QUIT now before it's too late. Do you have a car? Smelled it lately? YECH! Take it from me, it's disgusting. I didn't listen either and am now out of the loop at age 54. I almost died. It's not worth it honey.
For rightrib, it sounds like you have IBS (irritable bowel syndrome) or also strained a muscle from riding the bike or lifting something heavy. You can't strain nerves! You need definitely to see a doctor who specializes in stomach ailments. You could also have an ulcer, pancreatitis, liver problems or lung or kidney problems. The best thing is start with a chest xray and work their way to thyroid tests, liver tests, and then a gastroenterologist to do some stomach tests. That should rule out just about everything.
What organ did they ultrasound? It turned out to be my liver, as stated, from statins and now that I take Super Digestaway, Milk Thistle, Artichoke Extract and Probiotics, I have no more pain and no more IBS. The doctor is still scratching his head over the pain for 8 months disappearing with herbal treatment.
Does your doctor really have time to read chatboard posts? Mine doesn't. Everyone is different. Some here drink, some don't.. some have liver probs, some don't. This ailment is as individual as you and I are.
For dhayse32, yes it could be a muscle and probably is. It definitely not gall bladder pain which is so different than this. Gall bladder feels like stomach pain and goes into the back on the right side. I don't think it's hereditary. I had mine removed, but was the first one in the family to have this done. It depends on diet, not what dad ate, but what you eat. If you eat fatty foods, there is a good chance you will have gall bladder problems later on in life. It's too early to have any now I think. You're too young. Do you get this pain after exercising, running or walking? It used to help when I stretched out also. I haven't had any problems in the past couple of weeks though. I feel for you, I really do, all of you.
Please try to encourage your doctor to look deeper. Someone also mentioned ovaries, so go see a GYN if you're female and have him check. Appendix is also on the right side, so have that checked. Any doctor that disses you and tells you it's nothing is wrong.
EmacksGirl
08-02-2005, 11:09 AM
Oh, I thought I was the only one! I have had this sort of discomfort for like I think a year. I just went to my gyno for a general and found out I have fibroids and a thick uterine lining? Anyhow I explain that I have been feeling this dull pressure on my right lowe sometimes upper rib, like something pushing on the rib cage and it feels like there is something in there. But they assured me fibroids can't cause that? So I go to a GP and he feels there and send me for a Abdominal ultra (shows nothing) but during the wait I guess I got myself so nervous I got sick and wound up in the ER, they do blood work and the same ultra , it shows nothing. I go to a GI specialist who says I am not dying, he will do an endoscope, so I am on my way on Weds. for that. I have felt like what could be a lump and it is tender where the pressure is. It really bothers me when I am sitting, sometimes my back hurts. I had the test for the Gallbladder, HDIA scan, nothing it is working fine, I am also going for a colonoscopy on 8/16. I am scared shitless, which doesn't help my stomach either. I am just so glad to have found so many with similar symptoms. I thought I was crazy. :bouncing:
ibuandubme
08-03-2005, 12:42 PM
EmacksGirl,
I had fibroids in my uterus until my last child was born. The doctor couldn't find them. Do the endoscope. It may be an ulcer.
Good luck to you. I think the symptoms are the same for a lot of ailments. Make sure they do a chest xray too.
I had fibroids in my uterus until my last child was born. The doctor couldn't find them. Do the endoscope. It may be an ulcer.
Good luck to you. I think the symptoms are the same for a lot of ailments. Make sure they do a chest xray too.
EmacksGirl
08-04-2005, 12:56 PM
:bouncing: Had the endoscope and nothing! In a week I go for the colonoscopy. I am at my wits end. Maybe I am crazy??? I haven't had a chest xray.. do you think it can be up that far? :eek: So far all tests are normal, Abdominal utrasound, Liver, spleen, gallbladder, kidneys, HIDA Scan for the gallbladder function, endoscope, and all I am waiting on is the colonoscopy??? The GI doesn't think I have a tumor, he thinks I am having spasms in my colon or a knot of somekind? I will know on the 16th.
Thanks for sharing. Hope you are feeling good.
E
Thanks for sharing. Hope you are feeling good.
E
ibuandubme
08-05-2005, 09:36 AM
You're not crazy! Everything you describe is real pain. Have a chest xray and yes it could be referred pain. My doctor found something in my right lung that COULD have caused it, but probably didn't. Also, ovarian problems could cause this. What kind of knot? I have a spastic colon aka IBS and it comes on with certain foods I eat.
I didn't get to the gastro because he had already dissed it last year. I knew it wasn't stomach.
If nothing helps and they can find nothing wrong, would you be willing to go the herbal way for the pain? I have a few herbs I take that relieved the pain for good, so far. Let me know.
I didn't get to the gastro because he had already dissed it last year. I knew it wasn't stomach.
If nothing helps and they can find nothing wrong, would you be willing to go the herbal way for the pain? I have a few herbs I take that relieved the pain for good, so far. Let me know.
EmacksGirl
08-05-2005, 10:36 AM
Sure I will try anything at this point. I just woke up and am having my morning cup of tea, I already woke up with rib pressure, go figure?
I had another internal ultrasound for this thickness of my uterine lining I am suppose to have? And this time they used water to fill the uterus and look in there and let me tell you I was so bloated all day yesterday. I will know more with the more tests I have?? I guess. Thank you for offering the herbs. Let me know.
I had another internal ultrasound for this thickness of my uterine lining I am suppose to have? And this time they used water to fill the uterus and look in there and let me tell you I was so bloated all day yesterday. I will know more with the more tests I have?? I guess. Thank you for offering the herbs. Let me know.
ibuandubme
08-05-2005, 11:28 AM
Burdock is a detoxifying herb. Skin, lungs, liver, stomach, etc.
Peppermint capsules relieves heart burn, as does Papaya Enzyme (also available in a chewable tablet, like Tums)
Super Digestaway is also to help digestion. Take with meals.
If you take super digestaway you have to take probiotics to promote healthy flora.
Milk Thistle for liver pain (cleanses the liver from the toxins you have in there collected from your entire life, through drugs and foods)
Artichoke Extract for liver health also.
Since I started the Milk Thistle, the pain went away. When I began to take Super Digestaway, Probiotics and Artichoke Extract, it stayed away!
You can also put Cod Liver Oil over where it hurts, cover with plastic wrap and heat with a hair drier. The oil is aborbed into the liver and soothes the skin (mine hurt all the time over the spot) and also soothes the liver.
See if anything helps. Get Hulda Clarks book The Cure for All Diseases. She's the best! :wave:
Good luck! Feel better. Let me know if anything works! :angel:
Peppermint capsules relieves heart burn, as does Papaya Enzyme (also available in a chewable tablet, like Tums)
Super Digestaway is also to help digestion. Take with meals.
If you take super digestaway you have to take probiotics to promote healthy flora.
Milk Thistle for liver pain (cleanses the liver from the toxins you have in there collected from your entire life, through drugs and foods)
Artichoke Extract for liver health also.
Since I started the Milk Thistle, the pain went away. When I began to take Super Digestaway, Probiotics and Artichoke Extract, it stayed away!
You can also put Cod Liver Oil over where it hurts, cover with plastic wrap and heat with a hair drier. The oil is aborbed into the liver and soothes the skin (mine hurt all the time over the spot) and also soothes the liver.
See if anything helps. Get Hulda Clarks book The Cure for All Diseases. She's the best! :wave:
Good luck! Feel better. Let me know if anything works! :angel:
EmacksGirl
08-05-2005, 02:18 PM
:wave: Thank you! I will try it and let you know. Hope you are feeling well!
Thanks Again!
ToniAnn
Thanks Again!
ToniAnn
ibuandubme
08-05-2005, 07:10 PM
As soon as this pneumonia goes away I'll be fine. Thanks! Let me know what happens.
rita01
08-10-2005, 03:25 PM
You might want to take some liver herbs to help support it. My mother had some pain in the upper right quadrant. The pain went away with the herbs. Also any time you drink, take Milk Thistle before hand to protect the liver.
ibuandubme
08-10-2005, 03:44 PM
You might want to take some liver herbs to help support it. My mother had some pain in the upper right quadrant. The pain went away with the herbs. Also any time you drink, take Milk Thistle before hand to protect the liver.
I take liver herbs, was telling the other poster to try it if nothing helped. I take Milk Thistle, Artichoke Extract, Superdigestaway and Probiotics. I don't drink any alcohol at all. I take cholesterol meds. It's my liver for sure, but the docs don't know it. If you take anything else, such as the other liver herb, C0Q10, be careful. They can elevate your liver enzymes instead of keeping them even. I'd see a good herbologist in the health food store.
I take liver herbs, was telling the other poster to try it if nothing helped. I take Milk Thistle, Artichoke Extract, Superdigestaway and Probiotics. I don't drink any alcohol at all. I take cholesterol meds. It's my liver for sure, but the docs don't know it. If you take anything else, such as the other liver herb, C0Q10, be careful. They can elevate your liver enzymes instead of keeping them even. I'd see a good herbologist in the health food store.
josey123
08-15-2005, 09:56 AM
For a couple days now I've been having pains in my lower rib area under my left breast. Sometimes it hurts so much i just want to cry. Can anyone help me on to what it might be?
josey123
08-15-2005, 09:59 AM
So is it something i need to see a doctor about? It hurts really bad at times like this morning. I couldn't go back to sleep because of it.
WANDA218
08-15-2005, 06:20 PM
I am so surprised to see so many people with this disorder. Just came back from my Dr. a hour ago. Having excruciating pain under right rib and around to my back. Impossible to stay seated at work. was unbearable. He wants to do CT scan also . I have same symptoms you all have. Fullness, pain , even up to my shoulder blades. did not sllep much at all last night no way to lay that it did not hurt. DR. Gave me celebrex and a muscle relaxer called skelaxin. tool that and hour ago and am beginning to be able to take a breath with out screaming. Had this once in 1979 though i would never expierence it again. was out of work for almost a year that time.
My heart goes out to all of you. Hope things will improve for all of us. At least I know now that I am not alone .
Blessings to all
Wanda 218
My heart goes out to all of you. Hope things will improve for all of us. At least I know now that I am not alone .
Blessings to all
Wanda 218
ibuandubme
08-15-2005, 06:36 PM
Ladies
Everyone is different, Josey123 yes see your doctor.
Wanda, sounds like a rib problem if you can't breathe without screaming. Maybe a chest wall virus, which I also had at one time. Hurts like heck, but only a doctor can tell you what to do.
I could breathe okay, just the pain would never leave. It's gone now... when it starts to come back, I go back on the Milk Thistle and Artichoke Extract. It goes away immediately.
Good luck to both of you. :angel:
Everyone is different, Josey123 yes see your doctor.
Wanda, sounds like a rib problem if you can't breathe without screaming. Maybe a chest wall virus, which I also had at one time. Hurts like heck, but only a doctor can tell you what to do.
I could breathe okay, just the pain would never leave. It's gone now... when it starts to come back, I go back on the Milk Thistle and Artichoke Extract. It goes away immediately.
Good luck to both of you. :angel:
josey123
08-17-2005, 09:23 AM
I'm going to see a doctor to see what it is for sure. I asked a nurse but you never know tell you get it looked at.
thanks for your guys's responses
hope you guys are filling okay :D
josey123
thanks for your guys's responses
hope you guys are filling okay :D
josey123
amanda78
08-17-2005, 11:00 AM
Well I am back here again, my pain began back in 2002 as I was writting under another user name but anyhow I have not been on here in quite some time and I wanted to let you know that I went to a new doctor yesterday and let him feel that the lump I have near my right bottom ribs has enlarged and the pain is becoming very unbearable he took one feel of it and said yes this is definatly a casue for concern and I am sending you to a surgeon they should be calling me in a week or so to schedule the consultation and I hope they decide to take this out and it be the end of my problems. He did say they will probably do a biopsi on it also. my old user name is hacomommy if you want to go back and read my post. I will let you all know what they say and maybe it will help you out.
ibuandubme
08-17-2005, 11:23 AM
Good luck to you Amanda!
I hope all goes well.
I hope all goes well.
Steffy27
08-18-2005, 11:14 PM
Like many of you, I can't believe I found this thread. I read through all the posts last night and one person described a popping at the right lower rib that feels like popping a snapple bottle. That's exactly what I experience. Mainly I get a feeling of tightness or a feeling like there is something stuck just underneath the lower part of the rib. I also get some bloating that sometimes makes the popping more prominent. This occurs on and off and I sometimes get pain that feels muscular that goes from the lower right rib around the back. I have also had irritable bowel syndrome that was diagnosed 5 years ago after I had a series of tests that showed no problems.
I'm so glad I found this site. I felt crazy to keep worrying about these things and felt like it was just me. Thanks to everyone for your posts.
I'm so glad I found this site. I felt crazy to keep worrying about these things and felt like it was just me. Thanks to everyone for your posts.
ibuandubme
08-18-2005, 11:33 PM
Isn't it amazing? I thought I was all alone too.
The reason I believe it is the liver is bc the liver is the main part of the body that takes most of the abuse, toxins from everything. I gave the doc the benefit of his education and doubt, but found what works for me. I've been pain free since starting on those herbs and believe me I am sooooooooooo happy!
I hope you all find your symptoms subside soon, whether it be from traditional ways or herbal ways.
By the way, I don't have to take the cleansing herbs unless I have pain, which I haven't, so I don't take them anymore. I'll probably use them once every 3 to 6 months for good measure.
The reason I believe it is the liver is bc the liver is the main part of the body that takes most of the abuse, toxins from everything. I gave the doc the benefit of his education and doubt, but found what works for me. I've been pain free since starting on those herbs and believe me I am sooooooooooo happy!
I hope you all find your symptoms subside soon, whether it be from traditional ways or herbal ways.
By the way, I don't have to take the cleansing herbs unless I have pain, which I haven't, so I don't take them anymore. I'll probably use them once every 3 to 6 months for good measure.
Marie36
08-19-2005, 12:44 AM
apj1 u might want to have ur gallblader checked and if its ur kidneys it would hurt from around the lower part of ur back to around ur stomach i know because i have a kidney disease which i produce stones in both kidneys. but wine and other drinks can affect ur gallbladder if u have stones or even if its non fuctioning try having it checked out.if its ur ovaries it would not hurt in the back because the ovaries r lower bye the bowels but the gall bladder is under the right rib cage.hope u feel better and let me know ok!
amanda78
08-20-2005, 01:14 PM
Well I went for my consultation with the new surgeon Thursday and he took one feel of the lump on my right side under the last rib and said it was a Lipoma (fatty tumor) he numbed me with lidocaine and took it out right there in the office I have 5 stiches on this 1 1/2" incision. he said to come back in 7 days to have them removed. I noticed that he did not mention any pian meds so I figured since it was an in offce procedure it probably would not cause to much pain well yesterday I was in excruiating pain and my husband called him to tell him I needed pain meds and he said he has taken out thousands of these and had not once had to prescribe meds afterwards for pain so I had to go back in to make sure I did not have an infection or blood clot and I did not thankfully but he said that first of all Lipomas are not suppose to be painful and they are usually removed for cosmetic reasons and the area should not hurt after removing it. So I go back next thursday for the pathology results on it and get these stiches out but I am worried not what the hell is making me hurt on that side I thought for sure it was the mass I found and now who knows!!!!! I guess if the pain goes away great and if it does not I will be back on here with the rest of you trying to figure out this bazarre pain we all have. I have had my gallbladder out and colon, liver,kidneys ect all checked out and they say they are all normal.
tivodad
08-22-2005, 08:53 PM
Hi all. I started looking through the internet to find out more about my recent pain and I had no idea this was such an issue with so many people. I started having pain around the second week of May and it got pretty severe at times. I went to the ER twice. The pain is at the bottom of the breastbone and extends to the right a few inches along and under the rib. Most of the time the area in the center just below the breastbone is sensitive to the touch. Press it, it hurts. At the ER I had a CT scan to look for gall stones and kidney stones. Nothing. And the 2nd time at the ER they did some blood tests and gave me a Protonix drip. The Dr. I've been going to has done a lower GI, an ultra-sound, another CT scan, and a chest x-ray. The 2nd CT scan shows a couple of "spots" on the liver and lung. Whoa! I thought. But the Dr. says he doesn't think it's anything to worry about and wants to do a follow up scan at the end of the year. I don't know if I can wait that long! Anyway, the pain which started in May subsided greatly in July. It has come back though but not as bad as it was in May/June. I don't know what to do. I've no Dr. appt's scheduled as they think I'm done until the rescan in December. My wife thinks I need to take anti-depressants. One of the doctors said that there was nothing wrong with me and that I should take Zoloft. I never took any though. In fact I was rather offended that the doctor even suggested it. It so happened that my wife heard him prescribe this so if I even mention to her that my side hurts she gets mad and tells me I've already been diagnosed. That really gets me going. So, I've got no one to talk to about this and I thought I'd leave my 2 cents worth on this board.
Question: Would an enlarged liver cause many of the symptoms (mine included) that I read about in this thread? I haven't heard much talk about this. The ultra-sound and the physical examinations I've had would likely have turned up an enlarged liver but I don't know. Even a few weeks ago when I thought this was all over because I felt so much better, I still had an annoying tickle/vague pain in the area of the bottom of the breastbone. What could cause that? And now it's all back again. I'm about ready to find another GI doctor and see him to get a second opinion. I haven't had an upper GI yet so maybe I should get one. I refused to get an endoscopy (I know but that's just too invasive for me - as if the lower GI wasn't!).
Question: Would an enlarged liver cause many of the symptoms (mine included) that I read about in this thread? I haven't heard much talk about this. The ultra-sound and the physical examinations I've had would likely have turned up an enlarged liver but I don't know. Even a few weeks ago when I thought this was all over because I felt so much better, I still had an annoying tickle/vague pain in the area of the bottom of the breastbone. What could cause that? And now it's all back again. I'm about ready to find another GI doctor and see him to get a second opinion. I haven't had an upper GI yet so maybe I should get one. I refused to get an endoscopy (I know but that's just too invasive for me - as if the lower GI wasn't!).
Steffy27
08-23-2005, 11:25 PM
I don't know what it means to have spots on the liver and lung or whether it is necessarily a bad thing, but I wouldn't blame you if you wanted a second opinion on your diagnosis tivodad. At least just to see if a second doctor would agree. I can understand that if you wait until December the next few months may be miserable, especially if it continues to be painful and worries you. At least a second opinion would give you some peace of mind. Take care and I hope things turn out well.
tivodad
08-24-2005, 10:21 PM
Thanks Steffy. I saw my doctor today and went over the scan and this pain. I'm told the lung and liver spots aren't related to eachother or the abdominal pain I'm having. The doctor maintains that he doesn't feel the spots are to worry about. I hope he's right.
awkitty77
10-05-2005, 03:29 AM
To all who post here I think it is important that everyone here realizes that this type of pain is as individual as we all are I found the reason for my pain but only through being pressing about the matter for others that may not be as easy just keep in mind all the possibilities which a great majority of people are ok and just need to find the answer, the pain however just makes us aware that something is not right, my pain, turned out to be benign kidney tumors, yes, my pain was mostly in the front but yet this is what it appears to be at this time which does actually make sense.
I would strongly suggest to all to find the right Dr. NOT the right person to talk to here simply because as I am in health care I am seeing a lot of relating simply on symtoms, not diagnosis and that is at times in fact at most times misleading yet I share this pain so I am not out of the loop here but be careful and seek medical opinions and TELL them you WANT these tests, yes this is a great soundboard but get the truth prople not others experiences.
And as for those on this board (this board for human contact and support about what we are afraid of) who just like to preach and mock because they have trouble dealing personaly with their own issues, you should seek some sort of council because your ranting about someone maybe having to get cancer before they get straight is not a very cooth way to deal with your own issues with your OWN husband and I have noticed that particular perosn here asking for help has not returned since your outburst and you should really think about that. This is not chuch, just a means of relating and how dare you make that person cower to where they are not posting now, but let me guess, YOU think it is because of your almighty knowlege to go to AA? Nope, he probably just does not feel like anyone cares now, so great flippin' job miss I BELIEVE IN TOUGH LOVE" you are also NOT by ANY means trained to tell people what kind of supplements to take, DO you realize, depending on meds people are on what YOU are suggesting can have very very bad adverse affects? Don't give MEDICAL advise UNLESS you know for sure what someone is already taking, just a word of advese.
I hope everyone feels better through the PROPPER tests Take Care, Even you self rightous one NO THNAKS : DON'T WANT TO BE YOU... FOR ONE MIN.
I would strongly suggest to all to find the right Dr. NOT the right person to talk to here simply because as I am in health care I am seeing a lot of relating simply on symtoms, not diagnosis and that is at times in fact at most times misleading yet I share this pain so I am not out of the loop here but be careful and seek medical opinions and TELL them you WANT these tests, yes this is a great soundboard but get the truth prople not others experiences.
And as for those on this board (this board for human contact and support about what we are afraid of) who just like to preach and mock because they have trouble dealing personaly with their own issues, you should seek some sort of council because your ranting about someone maybe having to get cancer before they get straight is not a very cooth way to deal with your own issues with your OWN husband and I have noticed that particular perosn here asking for help has not returned since your outburst and you should really think about that. This is not chuch, just a means of relating and how dare you make that person cower to where they are not posting now, but let me guess, YOU think it is because of your almighty knowlege to go to AA? Nope, he probably just does not feel like anyone cares now, so great flippin' job miss I BELIEVE IN TOUGH LOVE" you are also NOT by ANY means trained to tell people what kind of supplements to take, DO you realize, depending on meds people are on what YOU are suggesting can have very very bad adverse affects? Don't give MEDICAL advise UNLESS you know for sure what someone is already taking, just a word of advese.
I hope everyone feels better through the PROPPER tests Take Care, Even you self rightous one NO THNAKS : DON'T WANT TO BE YOU... FOR ONE MIN.
OhioMOM
10-05-2005, 06:44 PM
the liver is not an organ one can feel unless the capsule is being stretched.... which would make it enlarged. at that point your enzymes would reflect a problem.
OhioMOM
10-05-2005, 06:47 PM
we are lucky to have access to good docs.... go see a doc with a strong background in gastro problems and start pursuing a cure..... it can be daunting looking for a doctor, but call around ask around and get good care!
njneuroma
11-24-2005, 09:31 AM
I have this same problem usually when I am doing abdominal work like situps....the pain comes like a spasm and usually passes in 5 - 10 minutes. Once it came last year just leaning over my son...lasted 35 - 40 minutes...like a ripple it would subside and come back intense pain that seemed to travel up..on the right side began under bra line. Callled ER it was so scarey and all was normal...they left and I was afraid to move all day but it never came back and recently I was doing ab work (lifting legs up ) and it came again lasted 40 minutes again. Doctors told me absolutely no reason to do ab work ever but even so I am afraid it will just come upon me for no reason like when I lean over. I had an upper GI to test for hiatal hernia but it was normal. I also have neurocardiogenic syncope which means I am susceptible to passing out but I don't know if there is a relationhip. I am so glad I found this board.
woosh_x
01-30-2006, 12:06 AM
Hi all I have had this pain for the last 8years, I have had test after test I don't even know what tests I've had anymore there have been so many and a least 8 different Doctors.
The pain has come and gone over the last 8 years But now is basically always there, even when I wake up it's there. I guess it's now more of tightness with occasional pain just under the right rib sometimes the left rib as well.
I have a question for all of you, it may seam a little out there but anything is worth looking at.
Q, do any or all of you have amalgam fillings in your teeth?
On a funny side I was also told that I was a Roman solder in a passed life and the pain I suffer is from the injury I received in battle, so maybe we're all ex-roman solders
The pain has come and gone over the last 8 years But now is basically always there, even when I wake up it's there. I guess it's now more of tightness with occasional pain just under the right rib sometimes the left rib as well.
I have a question for all of you, it may seam a little out there but anything is worth looking at.
Q, do any or all of you have amalgam fillings in your teeth?
On a funny side I was also told that I was a Roman solder in a passed life and the pain I suffer is from the injury I received in battle, so maybe we're all ex-roman solders
inyourdreams
01-30-2006, 08:41 AM
I have 8 or 9 amalgams and have been to the ND that pushes to have them all taken out and replaced. I just can't seem to get the courage up to do that. I've read numerous books about how mercury can cause different things to go haywire in your body.
Is it a possibility that your mercury is causing liver pain? I guess anything is possible, but you might want to look into liver flushing first since no Dr. has really found anything wrong with you. You might just need your liver rejuvenated from a flush to clean all the gunk out of it. You'd be surprised at how good you feel after one. Did your Dr mention fatty liver to you? or if your liver was oversized?
Is it a possibility that your mercury is causing liver pain? I guess anything is possible, but you might want to look into liver flushing first since no Dr. has really found anything wrong with you. You might just need your liver rejuvenated from a flush to clean all the gunk out of it. You'd be surprised at how good you feel after one. Did your Dr mention fatty liver to you? or if your liver was oversized?
woosh_x
01-30-2006, 07:01 PM
Good Idear, although I did a detox over christmas and found no real diffrence with the pain/tightness. Although I did feel better in general.
I just thought of the amalgams as a possibility due the fact that No doctor can tell me what the pain is after all these years. So it's time do discover for myself what the cause is.
My amalgams are going blackish which i assume is no a good sign thus I booked myself in to remove my amalgams in 3 weeks, (busy tooth pullers)
I let you know what happends.
Thes Human body, a complex little ticker.
I just thought of the amalgams as a possibility due the fact that No doctor can tell me what the pain is after all these years. So it's time do discover for myself what the cause is.
My amalgams are going blackish which i assume is no a good sign thus I booked myself in to remove my amalgams in 3 weeks, (busy tooth pullers)
I let you know what happends.
Thes Human body, a complex little ticker.
inyourdreams
01-30-2006, 08:30 PM
Just let me give you a little warning about having them taken out---do NOT go to just your everyday typical dentist. Go to a holistic dentist (I think that's what they're called) to have the mercury taken out or you're gonna get even sicker because of the mercury that will fly outta your mouth, down your throat, etc.
These holistic Drs actually do a test where they take the worst amalgam out first, then work their way down from there. They will wear masks and body covers so that they are not poisoned by the mercury bits flying around in the air. You do NOT want to be repoisoned by mercury, so please look into this before jumping into something you might regret. Hopefully you already have.
These holistic Drs actually do a test where they take the worst amalgam out first, then work their way down from there. They will wear masks and body covers so that they are not poisoned by the mercury bits flying around in the air. You do NOT want to be repoisoned by mercury, so please look into this before jumping into something you might regret. Hopefully you already have.
PJ59
01-31-2006, 01:18 AM
Hi Y'all, This is a very interesting thread & I hope all have found answers to your right side pain. After reading this thread in its entirity after stumbling onto it accidently,I thought I had better add my two cents worth. Yes to the amalgum fillings & childhood chickenpox.
I also recently had the "emergency" exam for this. I had a persistant dull,burning pain more toward flank area on rt side that got worse with exercise and at the end of the day. I experienced chills yet I had a warm area over flank & sometimes had edematous skin in that area(no rash). I didn't think of it as an emergency ,but my dr demanded that I be examined immediately. My pain would start when I got jolted around as I have a very physical job & after the last couple physicals when the drs palpated my abdomen. The right side pain would follow in a couple days from the abdominal palpation even though I never had any tenderness at that time. I have had fractured ribs on both sides and have been dealing with muscle spasms on left side of ribcage for past couple years .I thought I finally had the muscle spasm problem resolved when the right side pain started after last physical exam. My internist diagnosed it as a torn or pulled muscle in my right side but haven't heard the bloodwork & UA results so assume them to be normal again.(I refused chest rads as have had many over past couple yrs with no changes and last was only a month ago.) The only way I find relief is to break the muscle spasm cycle with the muscle relaxant -Skelaxin. I get relief at night by laying on my rt side on a kingsize pillow lengthwise between my armpit and hip. Also heat helps. The ribbelt & tight clothing make my pain worse. After restarting the Skelaxin for a couple days, my pain is minimal toward end of day and no longer persistant. I feel better when I don't do my stretching & flexibility exercises so have minumized those until I feel a lot better as dr said not to do anything that causes pain.
To those of you that have normal medical workups with or without the diagnosis of muscle/ribcage injury : maybe muscle relaxants might help you out also? Muscle relaxants usually work for pain control when there is nerve damage while NSAIDS do not.
Also what types of drs has anyone out there seen successfully for ribcage/costochondritis problems? My internist is not of much help in this area and I would like to find a dr more helpful in this area.
I also recently had the "emergency" exam for this. I had a persistant dull,burning pain more toward flank area on rt side that got worse with exercise and at the end of the day. I experienced chills yet I had a warm area over flank & sometimes had edematous skin in that area(no rash). I didn't think of it as an emergency ,but my dr demanded that I be examined immediately. My pain would start when I got jolted around as I have a very physical job & after the last couple physicals when the drs palpated my abdomen. The right side pain would follow in a couple days from the abdominal palpation even though I never had any tenderness at that time. I have had fractured ribs on both sides and have been dealing with muscle spasms on left side of ribcage for past couple years .I thought I finally had the muscle spasm problem resolved when the right side pain started after last physical exam. My internist diagnosed it as a torn or pulled muscle in my right side but haven't heard the bloodwork & UA results so assume them to be normal again.(I refused chest rads as have had many over past couple yrs with no changes and last was only a month ago.) The only way I find relief is to break the muscle spasm cycle with the muscle relaxant -Skelaxin. I get relief at night by laying on my rt side on a kingsize pillow lengthwise between my armpit and hip. Also heat helps. The ribbelt & tight clothing make my pain worse. After restarting the Skelaxin for a couple days, my pain is minimal toward end of day and no longer persistant. I feel better when I don't do my stretching & flexibility exercises so have minumized those until I feel a lot better as dr said not to do anything that causes pain.
To those of you that have normal medical workups with or without the diagnosis of muscle/ribcage injury : maybe muscle relaxants might help you out also? Muscle relaxants usually work for pain control when there is nerve damage while NSAIDS do not.
Also what types of drs has anyone out there seen successfully for ribcage/costochondritis problems? My internist is not of much help in this area and I would like to find a dr more helpful in this area.
woosh_x
01-31-2006, 02:00 AM
Thanks for the info
But you did raise a point, the pain can also feel like a chill.
any one else with the amalgams ?
ps. thanks for the concern on the removal of the fillings I will have a chat to my dentist about it
Cheers
But you did raise a point, the pain can also feel like a chill.
any one else with the amalgams ?
ps. thanks for the concern on the removal of the fillings I will have a chat to my dentist about it
Cheers
imaworrier
02-02-2006, 12:12 AM
This board is awesome because now I feel much more like my discomfort isn't serious. I have an ultrasound on Friday.
I have been having discomfort, pressure, slight pain and burning in my middle to lower right side of my back, under my ribcage. sometimes it's more on the side, and sometimes in the front, like maybe where my liver is. I've worried that it's everything from kidney stones to cancer of the kidney or liver. My gall bladder was taken out in 1993, so it's not that.
All my labs were normal, except trace blood and protein in my urine, which they consider normal (I guess, it doesn't seem normal to me).
I didn't read all the posts (too many) so I don't know if there are any exactly like my symptoms, but it seems to be a lot similar.
I have been having discomfort, pressure, slight pain and burning in my middle to lower right side of my back, under my ribcage. sometimes it's more on the side, and sometimes in the front, like maybe where my liver is. I've worried that it's everything from kidney stones to cancer of the kidney or liver. My gall bladder was taken out in 1993, so it's not that.
All my labs were normal, except trace blood and protein in my urine, which they consider normal (I guess, it doesn't seem normal to me).
I didn't read all the posts (too many) so I don't know if there are any exactly like my symptoms, but it seems to be a lot similar.
imaworrier
02-02-2006, 12:20 AM
I forgot to mention, the pain occasionaly travels down my buttocks and the back of my leg, like my sciatic nerve.
Also, it gets worse when I drink a lot of caffeine or eat a lot of fatty foods.
I am curious to know how many people also suffer anxiety problems, because I do and have found a lot of people with undiagnosed similar symptoms do also. The caffeine makes my pressure and discomfort worse, but it also makes my anxiety worse quite often. I don't always have anxiety, but it my right side definately seems worse when I am having anxiety.
Also, it gets worse when I drink a lot of caffeine or eat a lot of fatty foods.
I am curious to know how many people also suffer anxiety problems, because I do and have found a lot of people with undiagnosed similar symptoms do also. The caffeine makes my pressure and discomfort worse, but it also makes my anxiety worse quite often. I don't always have anxiety, but it my right side definately seems worse when I am having anxiety.
imaworrier
02-03-2006, 02:39 PM
I had my ultrasound today. Don't you just love how the ultrasound techs always seem so serious, like something is really wrong. But they can't tell you a thing.
My US tech kept looking and looking on my right side, telling me to take a deep breath and hold it. I figured she was looking for my gall bladder, which I had out in '93. I was about to tell her I don't have one, when she asked me if I had it taken out. Glad all that focus wasn't just on my right kidney though!
My US tech kept looking and looking on my right side, telling me to take a deep breath and hold it. I figured she was looking for my gall bladder, which I had out in '93. I was about to tell her I don't have one, when she asked me if I had it taken out. Glad all that focus wasn't just on my right kidney though!