hunter2
05-18-2009, 11:32 PM
When I come down from Adderall I feel very depressed. I am paying too much money to afford an antidepressant for this problem. When I'm on it everything is fine but coming down from it I get depressed. I hate knowing that every night I am going to be in a depression. Is there anything I could do to avoid the depression I get when it starts wearing off?
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janewhite1
05-19-2009, 10:46 AM
An extended-release formula might help it wear off more slowly, so there isn't such a crash.
addprogrammer
05-19-2009, 03:59 PM
Ask doc about a side of either Wellbutrin or an SSRI. Lexapro gets 5 stars from most people. Lean toward the Lex if you have a long history of depression.
hunter2
05-20-2009, 11:43 PM
It's going to be hard figuring out what to do with this. I can barely afford Adderall as it is now being I have no insurance. To add another pill would just be way too much. I have to try all my other options first. I haven't been exercising, I don't go outside in the sun ever, I stay up all night and sleep all day long. These things MAY be contributing to my crash.
I don't remember my crash ever being this bad until these past few weeks which is really weird. On Adderall I am focused on DOING things so I am mentally calm and concentrated. When the pill wears off I don't do anything, I just THINK 24/7. Dwell on every bad thing going on in my life.
I don't remember my crash ever being this bad until these past few weeks which is really weird. On Adderall I am focused on DOING things so I am mentally calm and concentrated. When the pill wears off I don't do anything, I just THINK 24/7. Dwell on every bad thing going on in my life.
addprogrammer
05-21-2009, 09:06 AM
When the pill wears off I don't do anything, I just THINK 24/7. Dwell on every bad thing going on in my life.
Your Adderall is working on ADHD and depression. It's anti-depression properties poop out quickly - probably why you are experiencing depression now and weren't a few weeks ago. The depression will most likely progressively reassert itself - been there done that.
I believe your "feeling so good" is NOT feeling depressed based on your description. You used language such as "not abnormally good," etc. It's like getting over a wicked headache. Feels soooooooooo good. Normal feels relatively fabulous.
You can get generic Celexa (citalopram hydrobromide) for $4 (FOUR DOLLARS) for a month's supply at Walmart. Check it out.
Adderall will not poop out on ADHD efficacy for years if ever. It has to do with neurotransmitters. Beyond me.
Incidently, Wallmart has 60 tabs of 20mg Barr Adderall for about $50 per month.
Bob
PS A significant part of ADHD remediation is learning to use this new-fangled thing we have called focus: Like it is past 8 AM and I should be working but ain't cuz this is more fun. Bye. "I owe, I owe, it's off to work I go." Know what I mean?
Your Adderall is working on ADHD and depression. It's anti-depression properties poop out quickly - probably why you are experiencing depression now and weren't a few weeks ago. The depression will most likely progressively reassert itself - been there done that.
I believe your "feeling so good" is NOT feeling depressed based on your description. You used language such as "not abnormally good," etc. It's like getting over a wicked headache. Feels soooooooooo good. Normal feels relatively fabulous.
You can get generic Celexa (citalopram hydrobromide) for $4 (FOUR DOLLARS) for a month's supply at Walmart. Check it out.
Adderall will not poop out on ADHD efficacy for years if ever. It has to do with neurotransmitters. Beyond me.
Incidently, Wallmart has 60 tabs of 20mg Barr Adderall for about $50 per month.
Bob
PS A significant part of ADHD remediation is learning to use this new-fangled thing we have called focus: Like it is past 8 AM and I should be working but ain't cuz this is more fun. Bye. "I owe, I owe, it's off to work I go." Know what I mean?
hunter2
05-25-2009, 10:46 PM
The pill has been working in a weird way for me. I think now that I know I will feel depressed when it wears off....the pill is becoming less effective. Some days it would work for a few hours before crashing which is fine. Other days I dwell on the fact that I know I'll feel awful soon, so within an hour I feel my mood get worse.
I know I need antidepressants for anxiety/depression and I have been putting it off for years. My main depression issues come from my weight and eating problems. I don't want to go on AD's which could potentially make me go from bad to WORSE. If I gain weight/stop losing weight on them, it will be 100 times worse for me. I know wellbutrin is good for not causing weight gain, but I have anxiety problems so they wouldn't put me on that.
I know I need antidepressants for anxiety/depression and I have been putting it off for years. My main depression issues come from my weight and eating problems. I don't want to go on AD's which could potentially make me go from bad to WORSE. If I gain weight/stop losing weight on them, it will be 100 times worse for me. I know wellbutrin is good for not causing weight gain, but I have anxiety problems so they wouldn't put me on that.
addprogrammer
05-26-2009, 01:20 AM
My main depression issues come from my weight and eating problems. I don't want to go on AD's which could potentially make me go from bad to WORSE. If I gain weight/stop losing weight on them, it will be 100 times worse for me. I know wellbutrin is good for not causing weight gain, but I have anxiety problems so they wouldn't put me on that.
I hear you loud and clear, hunter. Turns out we're both between the same proverbial rock and hard place.
We'll work on it.
I had to pick up a few groceries this evening. You should have seen it. My Adderall ran out around 7PM. I caught myself between two aisles starring off into space with list in hand. Next I know I was walking aimlessly back and forth length wise through the supermarket - list still in hand.
My only victory, made it past the Moose Tracks successfully. Dang close call, though.
I'm going sleepy.
Bob
I hear you loud and clear, hunter. Turns out we're both between the same proverbial rock and hard place.
We'll work on it.
I had to pick up a few groceries this evening. You should have seen it. My Adderall ran out around 7PM. I caught myself between two aisles starring off into space with list in hand. Next I know I was walking aimlessly back and forth length wise through the supermarket - list still in hand.
My only victory, made it past the Moose Tracks successfully. Dang close call, though.
I'm going sleepy.
Bob
addprogrammer
05-26-2009, 08:23 AM
Hunter,
It's less than 7 hours since my last post. My wife's cousin and family are in town - up from Lousiana. The guy is cool, a dentist and bipolar. How could I not invite the pack for breakfast? I told wife about the deal I cut with plenty of lead time - a good 10 hours. She's says "cool." Then says "we have no bacon, no eggs, no toast." Then says, she is going to love having ME cook the breakfast - after she speced the menu - of all the nerve. Worse yet, she's going to bed. That is how I ended up in a supermarket 11PM in the middle of the night.
Before she sticks me with HER job, she was kind enough to write out my grocery list. And did herself a little favor by adding to the list bringing the total items up to 7.
I was in that [extremely bad word] supermarket for nearly an hour "spacing" about. Thank God I wasn't depressed too. Cousin and fam would be eating elsewhere.
The moral of my sob story is ... drum roll please ... mix ADHD with depression and I'm down and out and am staying down and out until someone, somewheres gives me my meds. It is that simple.
Modern psychiatry has a medical solution for every major brain disorder that I know about including schizophrenia, bipolar and esoteric bugs like bipolar with psychotic features not to mention ADHD and/or depression of the major clinical type. All that it takes is MONEY. It is that simple.
Our personal circumstance allows us to have insurance with a very high 5K deductible. For us, that is the way to get the most medical services for the least amount of yearly expense. Unless you can get insurance paid for by your employer, my formula holds true for most families. Using round figures, family premiums with no deductibles, no copays runs about $1300 per month U.S. dollars. Same policy with the 5K deductible runs about $400 per month. If I'm not mistaken, 1300-400 = $900/month or 10,800 dollars per year. Paying out of the pocket for EVERYTHING we needed including an MRI for the wife last month, we'll be close to but less than $5000 for the past 12 months. Looks to me like we have $5,800 more than we would with the rip off policy that everyone swears we must have.
Paying cash for meds forced me to learn how to get more for less. I paid $1200 for a $1890 list price MRI, for example. How? I kindly told the cashier: I'll give you $1200 cash on the barrel head or I'll take you up on your $130 per month payment plan. It was no different than negotiating with a car dealer. She had to call her boss. Boss says $1500, I'd said payment plan. Boss says $1200. Closed the deal. They came down to fast. I could of got it for less, dang it anyway.
If your income is low enough, you can have all the medical services you need for free WITHOUT being on medical assistance or wellfare. If you are "upper class poor" you can have most of the cost picked up by someone - at least here in PA.
You have dig harder than Puxatony Phil to find these resources. Not only aren't they advertised, they are accidentally on purpose covered up.
We don't stand a chance without the right meds in the most cases. Many with depression are raving about Abilify. Perhaps that could help you. It's "only" $440 for a month's supply.
Hunter, make it your job to research the resources available to you in your state or province or whatever subdivision in the country where you live.
I'll bet you $10 bucks you can get Abilify or whatever it is that you need at an affordable price perhaps even free.
Depression and overweight are killers with or without each other.
I'll up you another $10 that your new job as medical resource researcher pays more net per hour than most American's make.
Bob
It's less than 7 hours since my last post. My wife's cousin and family are in town - up from Lousiana. The guy is cool, a dentist and bipolar. How could I not invite the pack for breakfast? I told wife about the deal I cut with plenty of lead time - a good 10 hours. She's says "cool." Then says "we have no bacon, no eggs, no toast." Then says, she is going to love having ME cook the breakfast - after she speced the menu - of all the nerve. Worse yet, she's going to bed. That is how I ended up in a supermarket 11PM in the middle of the night.
Before she sticks me with HER job, she was kind enough to write out my grocery list. And did herself a little favor by adding to the list bringing the total items up to 7.
I was in that [extremely bad word] supermarket for nearly an hour "spacing" about. Thank God I wasn't depressed too. Cousin and fam would be eating elsewhere.
The moral of my sob story is ... drum roll please ... mix ADHD with depression and I'm down and out and am staying down and out until someone, somewheres gives me my meds. It is that simple.
Modern psychiatry has a medical solution for every major brain disorder that I know about including schizophrenia, bipolar and esoteric bugs like bipolar with psychotic features not to mention ADHD and/or depression of the major clinical type. All that it takes is MONEY. It is that simple.
Our personal circumstance allows us to have insurance with a very high 5K deductible. For us, that is the way to get the most medical services for the least amount of yearly expense. Unless you can get insurance paid for by your employer, my formula holds true for most families. Using round figures, family premiums with no deductibles, no copays runs about $1300 per month U.S. dollars. Same policy with the 5K deductible runs about $400 per month. If I'm not mistaken, 1300-400 = $900/month or 10,800 dollars per year. Paying out of the pocket for EVERYTHING we needed including an MRI for the wife last month, we'll be close to but less than $5000 for the past 12 months. Looks to me like we have $5,800 more than we would with the rip off policy that everyone swears we must have.
Paying cash for meds forced me to learn how to get more for less. I paid $1200 for a $1890 list price MRI, for example. How? I kindly told the cashier: I'll give you $1200 cash on the barrel head or I'll take you up on your $130 per month payment plan. It was no different than negotiating with a car dealer. She had to call her boss. Boss says $1500, I'd said payment plan. Boss says $1200. Closed the deal. They came down to fast. I could of got it for less, dang it anyway.
If your income is low enough, you can have all the medical services you need for free WITHOUT being on medical assistance or wellfare. If you are "upper class poor" you can have most of the cost picked up by someone - at least here in PA.
You have dig harder than Puxatony Phil to find these resources. Not only aren't they advertised, they are accidentally on purpose covered up.
We don't stand a chance without the right meds in the most cases. Many with depression are raving about Abilify. Perhaps that could help you. It's "only" $440 for a month's supply.
Hunter, make it your job to research the resources available to you in your state or province or whatever subdivision in the country where you live.
I'll bet you $10 bucks you can get Abilify or whatever it is that you need at an affordable price perhaps even free.
Depression and overweight are killers with or without each other.
I'll up you another $10 that your new job as medical resource researcher pays more net per hour than most American's make.
Bob
marisuela
05-26-2009, 03:49 PM
Hunter, I'd bet my kids (and I mean that today.... they're really making me crazy!!!), that your dose is too high. Have you tried cutting back? I do the same thing when my dose is too high. I start hyper-focusing on things and obsessing about things, and there is the inevitable crash when it wears off. When my dose is right, things are great and everything is running smoothly. The only indication I have that it's worn off, is that I tend to ramble a lot more... :)
I take 20 mgs in the morning (around 7:30) and 10 mgs in the afternoon (around 2-2:30), and it lasts until I am ready to go to bed. I just cut back on my afternoon dose (I had been taking 20 morning and afternoon) because I could tell that it was becoming too much. I usually cut back every six months or so.
It's definitely worth trying. Try cutting your dose back by 5 mgs at a time and see if that makes a difference. I find that my afternoon dose is the one I have to cut first and it makes a world of difference for me. Hope this helps!
I take 20 mgs in the morning (around 7:30) and 10 mgs in the afternoon (around 2-2:30), and it lasts until I am ready to go to bed. I just cut back on my afternoon dose (I had been taking 20 morning and afternoon) because I could tell that it was becoming too much. I usually cut back every six months or so.
It's definitely worth trying. Try cutting your dose back by 5 mgs at a time and see if that makes a difference. I find that my afternoon dose is the one I have to cut first and it makes a world of difference for me. Hope this helps!
addprogrammer
05-26-2009, 05:12 PM
Hunter,
Both marisuela and myself have or have had reactions similar to yours. I solved mine with an antidepressant. Marisuela solved hers by cutting back on the dose.
Which one will work for you? Beats me. I most certainly would try Marisuela's first.
No one knows whether it will work for you. It is so simple to try and it is possible it will work for you. Please try cutting the dose back a little before going any further.
Bob
Both marisuela and myself have or have had reactions similar to yours. I solved mine with an antidepressant. Marisuela solved hers by cutting back on the dose.
Which one will work for you? Beats me. I most certainly would try Marisuela's first.
No one knows whether it will work for you. It is so simple to try and it is possible it will work for you. Please try cutting the dose back a little before going any further.
Bob
hunter2
05-28-2009, 07:33 PM
Thanks for the help guys.
I think I will have to go on antidepressants. I made an appointment for the doctor. The thing is, I had depression problems even before Adderall...so I don't think I can get around the fact that I need medication. I've always avoided it because of the weight side effect but as of right now... I know I have to be on something else. There really is no other option because I have tried them ALL. If I start to gain weight, I will just immediately switch to another one. Hopefully my being on 30 mg of Adderall will take away from that weight gain problem.
I think I will have to go on antidepressants. I made an appointment for the doctor. The thing is, I had depression problems even before Adderall...so I don't think I can get around the fact that I need medication. I've always avoided it because of the weight side effect but as of right now... I know I have to be on something else. There really is no other option because I have tried them ALL. If I start to gain weight, I will just immediately switch to another one. Hopefully my being on 30 mg of Adderall will take away from that weight gain problem.