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cartner
05-22-2009, 06:46 PM
Hi everyone,

It has been along time since I came here, hope everyone is doing fine.

My blood pressure has been under control (115/70 with heart rate of 66 avg) and I was happy about it until today. I have taken alot of vitamins and minerals today and my blood pressure, as well as my heart rate, spiked a little (136/86 with heart rate of 87) :(
here is what I took today

Calcium 1,000mg
Magnesium 700mg
Phosphorus 75mg
vit. C 5,000mg
vit. B1 200mg
vit. B6 250mg
vit. B12 1,000mg
Pumpkin Seed Oil 2,000mg
Fish Oil 7,000mg
Wheat Germ Oil 400mg
Vitamin E 400mg
Zinc 50mg
Glucosamine Sulphate 750mg
Chondtoitin Sulphate 600mg
MSM 750mg

Those are divided through the day.
Note: you have to understand that I don't eat good, the food where I live is not healthy, and I'm only 27 years old with high BP and arthritis as well as depression, anxiety and I can't concentrate at all. Also I had a thyriod problem in the past.

3 days ago I was watching a documentary about food, vitamins and supplements. I came to learn that I have a serious nutrition problem.

So is there a relationship between the supplements that I took today and my high blood pressure and heart rate?
Thanks for help,
Michael

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caberg
05-23-2009, 08:20 AM
Was it one reading that was higher than average? I would look for a series of high readings before concluding your BP is up.

On the vitamins/minerals, I have no idea, but I'm sure there are things which could have an effect on BP. Personally, I take a multi-vitamin and eat healthy foods. I would be very careful about loading up on supplements without too much thought or guidance in doing it. It sounds like you're taking these supplements based on a TV show, which is maybe not the best idea. Are fruits and vegetables not available to you?

cartner
05-23-2009, 08:27 AM
Not only on a TV show, I have been reading alot about supplements and vitamins. Fruits and vegetables are not good at all where I live, and fruits are very expensive. Taking supplements is something I can afford, of course I eat but not a healthy diet.

Ya it was a series of readings, but higher 10 points only I guess. Maybe my body isn't used for such loads of vitamins. Maybe it's Vitamin E because it makes the heart beats stronger. it's confusing but I need to learn more about it, I have been living my life as a sick young man so enough is enough :(.

Machaon
05-23-2009, 09:46 AM
Hi Michael! I am glad that you've gotten your blood pressure under control, except for the current problem. Hope everything else is going well with you and your mother! :wave:

There is a direct link between diet and high blood pressure and other health problems, especially the minerals in our diet.

Blood Pressure/Heart medications effect either the flow of current through the heart's calcium channel, potassium channel or sodium channel. A diet that contains excessive minerals, or other things, can work directly against the medications.

I am surprised that you didn't get increased heart rhythm problems, breathing problems or chest pains, along with the higher blood pressure.

cartner
05-23-2009, 11:37 AM
Hi,

How are you "beerzoids" if I'm not mistaken :). I miss your posts, I and my mother are fine. But I'm still sick with no reason, I got arthritis too :(. Anyway, it's all related to the bad food I eat. And because I don't have any other solution I will take supplements.

I have been researching about my heart rate problem since the morning, I found out that the ratio of Cal/Mag is the problem. Especially that I had a thyroid problem in the past. my current cal/mag rate is almost 1:1, I will stop this supplement and see if the heart rate will be back to normal again.

I hope I'm taking the right combination of supplements.
Note: my blood pressure is 124/74 with Heart rate of 77 for 3 readings today. And I have breathing problems too

LadogaLink
05-24-2009, 02:21 AM
Hi, Cartner. Since you know your diet is inadequate, please improve it. Even though food choices may not be as extensive in your area as in some areas, you still can select the healthiest of what's available. Poor quality and limited availability are not good reasons for gorging on junk. Keep a food diary, including quantity and time, so that you can readily see what nutrition you're getting, and how your consumption is affecting your body. Equating food quantities with the appropriate nutrition will take some work on your part, but there are usually nutrition guides for about every available food, even packaged food, near check-out counters at major groceries and pharmacies. Many are in books small enough to fit into a pocket for on-the-go calculating.

You want to make sure you're getting optimal nutrition, not loading up on some items because you might be short in them. Start with a multi-vit/min. Try adding only one additional supplement for around a week, or longer, before adding another, to better determine what makes you feel more vibrant, or conversely, a little worse. If you study symptoms of particular nutrients you can determine if you might have a deficiency. Sometimes, though, symptoms may indicate a deficiency in one nutrient, when the deficiency is in another, or in a group of nutrients. If you supplement with B vitamins, be sure that you increase all of them, as they are synergistic, and increasing only one of them will cause a deficiency in the other B vitamins down the road. Vitamin/mineral therapy can definitely enhance your quality of life, but only if you study carefully. Haphazard supplementing can bring you more woes, so you might consider an expert opinion, such as that of a nutritionist, for your set of problems, in addition to studying to learn as much as you can. A good probiotic with many live cultures to help the gut intestinal flora and a good multi-enzyme to help with digestion will allow both food and supplements to be better absorbed by your system. Best wishes for robust health! Let us know how they help you.

cartner
05-24-2009, 03:16 AM
Thanks for your reply,

Believe me I'm doing the best I can to improve myself, but the food in my area of the world is not good. Today I feel much more better, I slept 2 hours less and I don't feel dizzy. My eyes are better too, I feel something is different with my body now. I know that I need to study my supplements and the best way to take them.

I have added the rest of Vit. B family and I need to take minerals too. I have had a problem with my thryoid, I'm not sure it's over yet though :(. So I guess supplements can help with that. I had my thyroid blood tests done few times in the last 6 years, the first 2 times it indicates that I'm hyper and then the rest indicates that I'm hypo.

I spent all the money I had on drs and treatment, around 7,000$ (that's a big amount of money in my country) with no improvement and I don't even know what is my sickness.
I hope I will get better soon
Thanks,
Michael

LadogaLink
05-25-2009, 06:01 AM
Hi, again! Glad you're including the full spectrum of B. Be sure to drink pure water, and, if at all possible, with no chemicals like we have in the States. Study everything you can on this healthboard re: thyroid, plus adrenal system and pituitary gland, as they can all be related. If you haven't a library nearby where you can further search these health conditions, then use your computer as a library, and become familiar with the types of tests given and the ramifications of the different types of results for those tests. Unfortunately, most drs---and hospitals---test only for T3 and T4, and can conclude you haven't a thyroid problem, when you actually do have one. You need a full panel thyroid test for better analysis, coupled with your symptoms. This is where it pays you to self educate before you request the full panel thyroid test, so that you'll have the ammunition you need to convince your dr to further investigate, if you feel such testing may bring the answers you seek. Then, when the results come back, you'll have a good idea as to what the dr will say, too, and can better ask questions and discuss treatment. I have seen over and over again on the different message boards that contributors to thyroid threads go through the same problems in becoming properly diagnosed and treated. It will be worth your efforts to become well versed in the thyroid, adrenals, and pituitary. If you luck out and they're not a problem for you, you'll still be the richer for knowing about the issues. I'm really concerned by two of your statements regarding your thyroid. You don't just get over a thyroid condition; so far as I know it's a lifelong situation requiring treatment, unless your thyroid simply needs perking up with iodine, but if so, that's still an ongoing situation, so far as I know. I am hypothyroid, and I and several hundred others on threads can tell you that your heart can do all kinds of acrobats. Hyperthyroid also affects heart functioning. Your high and low results beg for further testing, as that is not a normal picture. There are excellent books, too, on these topics. Investigate the Barnes method of temperature charting, as careful charting, along with symptoms, can help you determine if you need further clinical testing. If you can't find a basal thermometer, get on that goes as low as 96, or, preferably to 94, although they're increasingly more difficult to find. It sounds that blood pressure problems are only a part of your overall picture. Is it possible for you to grow any vegetables, even in containers on a porch or balcony, if you haven't a yard? Check out vertical gardening. Or would someone with gardening space let you grow them on their property? Just a thought! Frustrating trying to find all the puzzle pieces, isn't it? Sincere best wishes to you.

cartner
05-25-2009, 07:46 AM
hi LadogaLink,

Thanks alot for your help, I drink water but the water here isn't better than the water you have in the US. My father, who has been to the US few times, told me that the water in the US is better than here.

Here everything is different, you can go and have any blood tests you wish for and also you can go to the pharmacy and purchase whatever medications you want. I don't have health insurance so things are very expensive for me. Anyway, few years back I had TSH, FT3 and FT4 blood tests and it seems as if I'm Hyper then few months later I'm Hypo then 6 months later I'm good and the tests seems to be normal. The dr said I have inflammation of the Thyroid.

No we have no yard, it's a small apartment, but I don't understand what's the relationship between my condition and basal thermometer? I have a mercury basal thermometer.
You know I have been reading since yesterday, about balancing minerals and vitamins and it really need years of studying and reading :(. It's so frasturating that I don't have a good nutritionist around.
So you are telling me to take my body temp? I have read something about taking it first thing in the morning?
Thank you so much for your help
Michael





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