Which is better?

i was both was just cut last oct its the best decision there is no more skin to try to pull back and cleaning is much easier. also the look is great.

Im kinda wanting to get "cut" but lol im 18 how do i tell my parents i want to get "cut" ?

Come on do not be retards. It is easier to clean! Why do not cut off your hand so you never have to wash it as well? Infact the more bodyparts you cut off the less you will have to clean.

Do not cut a bodypart or get an organ removed unless you have a good reason to, like a case of gangrene.

Originally posted by ur0k:
Im kinda wanting to get "cut" but lol im 18 how do i tell my parents i want to get "cut" ?

Why in the world would you want to do that???

I was cut at birth, and I hate being circumcised.

Originally posted by ur0k:
Im kinda wanting to get "cut" but lol im 18 how do i tell my parents i want to get "cut" ?

Tell them you have gone insane, and want to have the most sensitive 60% of your penis removed.

Harry had peoblems that were fixed by circumcision. The fact is he probably could have fixed them with proper stretching or other techniques. Sex with a properly working foreskin is best for both parties. The foreskin acts like an extra lubricant with its gliding action and as a dam to prevent the natural lubricating secrections from drying out. There is a book "Sex as nature intended" by Kristin O'Hara all about how much better sex is for women with an intact partner. Apparently the intact penis can feel more so its owner does not have to thrust as hard to feel anything. So sex for the woman is gentler and more satisfying. Also every male uses what he has of his foreskin to masturbate with, or he uses a lubricant. An intact male has the option to use either method. Many cut men don't have a choice and have to use lube. The foreskin contains millions of nerve endings and is half to two thirds of the natural skin area of the penis (15 square inches of erogenous skin in an adult). Cutting it off has to lessen what you can feel. I envy you your intactness as I was not given any choice and hate what was done to me. Be aware also that there are lots of perverts out there on the net who have erotisiced circumcision. They sometimes get turned on by doing it without anaesthetic to themselves. Not all of them are that twisted but be careful what you believe about it being so much better. Someone who gets sexual thrills from thinking about the actual procedure and the resulting "high and tight" circumcised penises is not an impartial person to ask about the results of the procedure.

listen i don't care if a guy gets cut or not. to me i am glad i had it done. i did try stretching and it did not help. i don't believe that a guy should cut off his skin to be like his friends. if its a medical reason then do it if not then leave it alone. its not for everyone. as for losing feeling. you can believe it or not i have gained feeling to each his own. to many guys have problems with this foreskin issue.

Of course you would gain feeling. I can't imagine having sex or masturbating if the foreskin can't retract.

try leaving your foreskin retracted, all the time, for a couple of days, and see how it feels.
Would you like a penis with no moving parts, to have to be more gentle when entering a vagina instead of just skinning up and plugging in, and to have to use lube to masturbate?

Simply put:- A working, retractable foreskin is the best option for both parties. Stretching fixes most problems if done properly. Get the right advice and give stretching a proper go. There is a cream available only on prescription that will speed up the process (Betamethasone 0.1%) or perhaps get it going again if it's stalled. If you really can't get it to stretch after a PROPER try of a few months regular stretching, then there are other medical options before circumcision. For a tight foreskin there is a dorsal slit, for a tight frenulum, frenuloplasty. If you choose circumcision you lose 15 square inches of eroneous tissue, a natural gliding mechanism and perhaps the added pleasure you and your partner could have experienced. Some guys have a good experience from circumcision while others report prolonged problems with bruising, healing and sensitivity. The healing period is often longer than if they had persisted at stretching. There is also a lot of information out there from groups of men who actually get sexual thrills out of thinking about the operation itself (particularly on young guys) and about the look of a tightly circumcised penis. Some of these guys have the operation a number of times to experience it again and get it tighter. Circlist is their main site. I'm not saying Henry is one of them just saying that you have to be careful what you believe. I believe that there a lot of unnecessary circumcisions performed in the US and Australia by doctors who think there is no other way to fix a foreskin problem. I want you to consider all the options before you make an irreversable decision to amputate part of your genitalia.

Urok dude your 18 it is a decision you need to make for yourself. wHen i was younger i had a small problem with it but then i realized i was me and lucky to have everything i was born with. The real question are you doin it because your buddies are cut and you want to be like them or are you doin it for you. Dude you have lived with it for 18 years and you must be doin somthing right cause you dont say your havin any problems with it. Pull it back wash it everyday and be proud of what you got. I did think about gettin it cut in High school cause the other dudes were cut i live in So Cal and most dudes are cut here i was 1 of 3 in gym class uncut. I realized i liked mine and i was cool with it. There is ignorance in the cut crowd I know that for fact one dude asked me what was wrong with my unit i explained to him that his looked like mine when he was born and they had cut it off. He didnt even know.

Think about it dude

Peace

Curtdude

I was cut but have restored.

Wife prefers foreskin now that she has experienced it. I last sooo much longer she now gets multiple orgasms.

Originally posted by ronnstacci:
I was cut but have restored.

Wife prefers foreskin now that she has experienced it. I last sooo much longer she now gets multiple orgasms.

ronnstacci - wow that sounds great! I have a couple of questions for you:

1 - I have trouble lasting longer than 5 minutes during sex or jackin off without stopping. Sometimes its a lot less than that. Basically, I think I'm too sensitive, especially on the underside of my penis. I never really thought of it because I'm circumcised, but I guess it could be a cause. I also didn't realize that you can last longer after foreskin restoration. So my question is, how long on average did you last during sex before restoration, and after restoration? I thought foreskin restoration makes the glans more sensitive, so how do you last longer with a more sensitive glans?

2 - How long did it take you to restore your foreskin? What methods did you use? Any devices that worked well? What did the wife think when you started restoring?

lAsting longer does not have to do with foreskin folks. I like how many don't know sex is better for the woman, yet assume that forskin must make it better. Maybe so for some and if that's workin' for ya then power to ya, however each woman is different just as each man is. Longer love making is achieved in other ways.

As for getting cut at 18 or any adult age for that matter, it's up to him. Do you guys advise girls against implants? No, not usually...sometimes, but not usually and why? Because not many men dislike big boobs. So if the guy would feel better about having a cut penis then so what?

It's a "grass is always greener on the other side" issue. A biast one in fact. Niether cut or uncut men can relate to being the opposite unless they have gone through what some of you have done, which is having it cut in adulthood, after having sex with the a previouslt intact penis. Don't knock it because you have never tried it.

It is a fact that most (not all, but most) woman prefer the look of a cut penis, but to each their own.

It's also a fact that the skin that is hidden under the foreskin has a more porus surface unlike your regular skin. Hense STD's are easier to contract if you come in contact with one. The skin can trap STD's and since the skin is so porus it is a quicker process of getting into the blood stream. This was found in a study between two tribes in Africa where one tribe believed it was religiously mandatory to be cut and the other tribe did not. The tribe that did not cut had an astronomical amount of HIV and AIDS cases in males, where as the other tribe had slim to no cases. Thus the females were also infected in the uncut tribe and the death rates were devistating.

Many of you say that this is a different country with a different lifestyle and in no way are you at higher risk of STD's than any other male if you practice safe and responsible sex, but it does put you at higher risk if you are not safe or if you are believing that you are responsible with someone that in return has not been safe with his/her body prior to being with you and there could be STD's lurking where you'de never suspect.

As a woman I feel it is up to the guy. I would never not be with a man for him being one way or another, but my man is cut and we are now having a son in 7 more weeks so he, too, will be cut. I have done research on it and, though I know the procedure, I also know that pain meds are an option now and I have researched what's okay to use and what's not. I have heard so many bad stories of being intact than I have of being cut that it also persuaded me to make my decision towards having my son cut.

Thanks for listen to me rattle on.

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Marie
It's A Boy!!
Expected August 2, 2003

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Originally posted by lovelyme:
As for getting cut at 18 or any adult age for that matter, it's up to him.

EXACTLY!!! So why would you take this "it's up to him" freedom of choice away from your own child and have him circumcised? Makes no sense to me.

Do you guys advise girls against implants? No, not usually...sometimes, but o usually and why? Because not many men dislike big boobs.

So along those same lines, would you have a newborn girl stuffed with breast implants? Or have her clitoris circumcised? Of course not! Yet, its virtually the same thing having a newborn boy circumcised.

Niether cut or uncut men can relate to being the opposite unless they have gone through what some of you have done, which is having it cut in adulthood, after having sex with the a previouslt intact penis.

Exactly right. And *most* guys who have been circumcised as adults report decreased sensitivity in the penis, and wish they had remained intact. I said most, and not all, because some guys prefer it after they've been cut. But these are almost always guys who had medical complications with their foreskin such as severe phimosis, and they couldn't experience the full sensitivity of the glans and frenulum because their foreskins wouldn't retract at all. So for these guys, of course being cut will feel better to them.

Don't knock it because you have never tried it.

Well, gee, I wish I could! But I can't! Why? Because I was cut as a baby! No longer a choice for me.


It is a fact that most (not all, but most) woman prefer the look of a cut penis, but to each their own.

You need to qualify that statement and say that most AMERICAN women prefer the look. That's not true around the world. In fact, if you ask your typical British woman, you'll find the preference the exact opposit. Most Europeans think the cut penis looks weird, and mutilated.

It's also a fact that the skin that is hidden under the foreskin has a more porus surface unlike your regular skin. Hense STD's are easier to contract if you come in contact with one.

That's simply not true at all. And did you know that a portion of the inner foreskin remains in all cut penises? That skin between the circumcision scar and the glans is the inner foreskin. The glans is also the same in cut vs. uncut penises, other than it gets keratanized in the cut state. Its the same skin though.

Based on your theory, countries throughout Europe should have much higher STD and HIV rates than in America, because most Europeans are uncut. Yet they don't. So how do you explain that?

As a woman I feel it is up to the guy. I would never not be with a man for him being one way or another, but my man is cut and we are now having a son in 7 more weeks so he, too, will be cut.

You completely contradict yourself in 2 sentences. You say its up to the guy (your son), but then you say you will have your newborn son circumcised. How is it up to your son if you just made the decision for him? And it is YOUR decision.

I have done research on it and, though I know the procedure, I also know that pain meds are an option now and I have researched what's okay to use and what's not.

The pain is only a small issue with circumcision. The important issues are 1) what will your son be giving up without his foreskin? and 2) you're taking away his right to decide whether he would like to be cut or not. How do you know what the right decision is when you can't possibly know what your son will want?


I have heard so many bad stories of being intact than I have of being cut that it also persuaded me to make my decision towards having my son cut.

You haven't read enough about the complications from circumcision gone wrong, then. Some of them would make you sick to your stomach. Even worse is a lot of the problems are permanent and can't be fixed.

A problematic foreskin can always be fixed, with a worst case scenario being circumcision. A botched circumcision? Good luck getting that fixed.

Just some food for thought. I realize you've probably already made your decision, I just hope you make a fully informed decision. Good luck with the birth of your son.

Here's something else they don't normally tell you.
An average of 229 boys die every year, from circumcision-related complications. If that figure was more widely circulated, it might ruin some easy business.

I am also circumcised and hate it. I realised some of what I was missing when I was a kid and had a mutual wanking session with an intact mate. Every male uses what skin they have to masturbate with or they use lube. An intact guy can stroke the whole length of his penis without lube, or he has the choice of using lube if he wants to. It seems that in the US many guys are cut so tight that they have to use lube. Some of them suffer pain because they are cut so tight. See http://www.circinfo.org/account.html. I can just masturbate with what skin I have left. Cutting off the foreskin was once thought to cure masturbation but it only makes it harder to do and less pleasurable. Nothing takes away the urge to do it.
Any circumcision, no matter how loose cuts away a special ridged band particularly rich in nerve receptors. See http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/. As circumcised guys get older they often can feel a lot less and tend to have to pound harder to maintain an erection. Women surveyed in Kirsten O'Hara's book reported that sex with an intact partner was gentler and more enjoyable. Once I realised what had been done to me I became extremely angry and eventually had to seek trauma counselling and treatment. There are lots of men coming to realise this and getting very angry about it. Cripes! It's 15 square inches of erogenous skin we have lost.
I don't think your research has been very thorough on this topic. No medical association in the world recommends routine infant circumcision any more. The medical risks balance or outweigh any of the purported benefits, which are far from proven anyway. In general you would have to circumcise thousands of boys to achieve one case of these so-called benefits. The complication rate from circumcision is high enough from circumcision to negate these debatable effects. As an example, this is from the Royal Australasian College of Physicians policy on circumcision, regarding UTIs: -"On the other side of the equation, taking a mid-range figure of 2% (20 per 1000) for major complications from circumcision, mainly from haemorrhage and infection (see earlier section), for every 1000 infants circumcised, about eight fewer will develop a UTI but 20 will develop a significant complication. Assuming that the "harm" of a UTI is about the same as a complication, routine circumcision is difficult to advocate as a public health measure."
Please have another look and think again. With the decline in circumcision even in the USA there is every chance that your son will have intact friends and realise what he has lost.


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I prefer uncut, and if I evere have son I will let him decide.
I feel more pleasure as a woman. And my boyfriend lasted longer than any guy I know and he was 42years old and was the hottest lover I ever had. He really seemed to enjoy sex soooo much more than any other guy I've been with. I guess nature is right as usual.

i think circumcision is horrible. as a girl, i can only imagine having a piece of myself cut off. my boyfriend is un-cut, and i love it. its different, but definately better for both of us.

I really cannot tell the difference. I like both. It feels the same to me.
CHEEKS

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I was 18 when I had it done. But the point I want to make is not weather I made the right decision because I feel I did. But the respect I feel for my parents to not make that decision for me. It is an important part of a mans anatomy and I will never understand how parents feel no shame in making this an issue of no importance for the child experiencing it. This issue should be a no brainer, his penis is his penis. The excuse that the child's father is cut so as well will be the son is ludicrous. Such cycles must end and each boy should be given his opportunity to be a man with his penis intact. If he chooses as I did to have it cut so be it but that decision belongs to him and no one else.

Being female, I can only speak for the ladies. IT IS SO MUCH BETTER UNCIRCUMSIZED!!!!! The sensation is more intense because a woman can feel the parts moving on her, its very erotic. Also there is much less need for lubrication. I have had it both ways and I can say beyond a doubt that it was much better for me uncut. The sensation is much fuller. My husband is uncircumsized, and had considered circumsision many times before but not for the right reasons. Too many people want to look like everyone else. Also, if you are concerned with cleanliness, regular showers and proper washing are all it takes. It isnt the rocket science that some people make it out to be in order to justify cutting their children. I always thought that I would circumsize my sons (dont have any yet) but I know now that theres no reason, and that it will take away from their enjoymant later in life. Nevertheless, it is your decision, and no one else can make it for you. Just make sure you consider all options and also your reasons for doing it in the first place.