justthinkin999
10-27-2003, 10:51 AM
I have being reading some posts of "unreality" recently. However, my thought pattern seem similiar in some ways, but in other very different. Let me give an example...
While sitting by a camp fire, looking over at others and thinking,... "Why, why do they want to keep living. How has life convinced them it must be lived. Do they just choose to ignore that all they are is just a bunch of nerves, a blood and oxygen/bioelectrical machine. It all seems so pointless, so meaningless. Just a perpetual cycle of life,...why is it anyone craves to keep doing anything?...etc etc."
The thoughts seem to come in waves overpowering with questions. Usually right when I'm enjoying something. Like when recently meeting a girl. I remember thinking, "wow, she has beautiful eyes...why, why do you care about her eyes. They are just a bunch of cells, light reflecting off of them. That's just a rush of endorphins you're "feeling" ...so pointless... what is your happiness but just merely bio-energy flows in your body. Why do you care about it at all. All the feeling you have for this girl are merely just wishes of your body to procreate,... why did you ever think this is so important, why do anyone?"
I just want to say, "shutup, I like her eyes okay!" I relate it to having a really synical friend there at all times. And it can be very strong, and make it very difficult to enjoy the situation, because it belittle the feeling of enjoyment at the root.
...Just a quick bio of me...I'm 26, exercise regulary, run, yoga. I meditate. I take Zoloft. I see a pyschologist. So, I take a lot of care to treat my emotional/physical well-being. I have a great job. I'm respected for my talents. I have a lot to be thankful for and just wish I could convince my brain of that :) .
Well, thanks for listening.
-T
While sitting by a camp fire, looking over at others and thinking,... "Why, why do they want to keep living. How has life convinced them it must be lived. Do they just choose to ignore that all they are is just a bunch of nerves, a blood and oxygen/bioelectrical machine. It all seems so pointless, so meaningless. Just a perpetual cycle of life,...why is it anyone craves to keep doing anything?...etc etc."
The thoughts seem to come in waves overpowering with questions. Usually right when I'm enjoying something. Like when recently meeting a girl. I remember thinking, "wow, she has beautiful eyes...why, why do you care about her eyes. They are just a bunch of cells, light reflecting off of them. That's just a rush of endorphins you're "feeling" ...so pointless... what is your happiness but just merely bio-energy flows in your body. Why do you care about it at all. All the feeling you have for this girl are merely just wishes of your body to procreate,... why did you ever think this is so important, why do anyone?"
I just want to say, "shutup, I like her eyes okay!" I relate it to having a really synical friend there at all times. And it can be very strong, and make it very difficult to enjoy the situation, because it belittle the feeling of enjoyment at the root.
...Just a quick bio of me...I'm 26, exercise regulary, run, yoga. I meditate. I take Zoloft. I see a pyschologist. So, I take a lot of care to treat my emotional/physical well-being. I have a great job. I'm respected for my talents. I have a lot to be thankful for and just wish I could convince my brain of that :) .
Well, thanks for listening.
-T
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rainonwindow
10-27-2003, 11:13 PM
My guess would be that you are very bright and in general like to understand the 'why' of things. It may acturally be a little easier if you give your mind 'permission' to think that way. A little acceptance might help. I have found that 'battling' my thoughts is a 'good' way to perpetuate a difficulty.
It is possible to think that eyes are just a bunch of cell with light reflecting off of them and still find the eyes beautiful.
Don't be so hard on yourself. Don't label it as cynical - just a natural curiosity. That might help take the emotional charge and self-criticism off of it and help this whole thing to diminish a little.
I don't find what you have written to be cynical - just the potentially annoying musings of a very bright mind that is busily annoying itself.
It is possible to think that eyes are just a bunch of cell with light reflecting off of them and still find the eyes beautiful.
Don't be so hard on yourself. Don't label it as cynical - just a natural curiosity. That might help take the emotional charge and self-criticism off of it and help this whole thing to diminish a little.
I don't find what you have written to be cynical - just the potentially annoying musings of a very bright mind that is busily annoying itself.
HoosierBj
10-28-2003, 09:35 AM
I agree with RainOnWindow...
You sound like someone with the Soul of a Philosopher.
There are alot of fascinating books out there that carry on thoughts such as the ones that you have begun.
Also, if you don't have any close friends who like to have interesting discussions like this, I'm sure there must be some message boards or chat rooms that are dedicated to exploring the inner & outer worlds to the nth degree...
You sound like a neat person! Don't go messing with yourself too much!!
You sound like someone with the Soul of a Philosopher.
There are alot of fascinating books out there that carry on thoughts such as the ones that you have begun.
Also, if you don't have any close friends who like to have interesting discussions like this, I'm sure there must be some message boards or chat rooms that are dedicated to exploring the inner & outer worlds to the nth degree...
You sound like a neat person! Don't go messing with yourself too much!!
justthinkin999
10-28-2003, 09:41 AM
First off, thanks. Very very kind replies. Secondly, are there any books that you would recommend?
HoosierBj
10-28-2003, 11:04 AM
You sound like you have a broad range of perception...
I honestly can't seem to pluck a title of my head that would really epitomize your line of thought.
If you like to read you could sure start and branch out as certain types of philosophy/beliefs became more interesting than others.
I'm truthfully more of a "yakker" than a reader about such things. The 70's and the Coffee Shops were tailor made for deep heavy discussions. We used to stay up drinking gallons of black coffee discussing the type of subjects that you mention in your first post!
You put a nostalgic smile on my face for sure!!
I honestly can't seem to pluck a title of my head that would really epitomize your line of thought.
If you like to read you could sure start and branch out as certain types of philosophy/beliefs became more interesting than others.
I'm truthfully more of a "yakker" than a reader about such things. The 70's and the Coffee Shops were tailor made for deep heavy discussions. We used to stay up drinking gallons of black coffee discussing the type of subjects that you mention in your first post!
You put a nostalgic smile on my face for sure!!
booger_dee
10-30-2003, 02:33 PM
"Just a quick bio of me...I'm 26, exercise regulary, run, yoga. I meditate. I take Zoloft. I see a pyschologist. So, I take a lot of care to treat my emotional/physical well-being. I have a great job. I'm respected for my talents. I have a lot to be thankful for and just wish I could convince my brain of that"
So far you're doing good. But you need to at some point to get a diagnosis. Schiz is good. Sounds scary but it'll keep your employer on his toes and others that you may not want to associate with. There's the Americans with Disabilities Act also. If your company ever downsizes it'll offer you some protection. It's everyone for himself in this world.
So far you're doing good. But you need to at some point to get a diagnosis. Schiz is good. Sounds scary but it'll keep your employer on his toes and others that you may not want to associate with. There's the Americans with Disabilities Act also. If your company ever downsizes it'll offer you some protection. It's everyone for himself in this world.
HoosierBj
10-30-2003, 05:36 PM
He seems fine to me - I'm the one that is mental!! (Bipolar Disorder)
Where do you pick up schizophrenia symptoms from his letter?
He's in touch with reality (& does think some deep thoughts) but no "voices" etc..
Where do you pick up schizophrenia symptoms from his letter?
He's in touch with reality (& does think some deep thoughts) but no "voices" etc..
burtonbabe
11-09-2003, 07:56 PM
You sound like someone with the Soul of a Philosopher
I can definatley relate to that.
I think the same thoughts too.My main one is that we are merely physical beings in a material existance.I used to get really depressed and hopeless as I obsessed over that thought but then I remembered a quote...
"God grant me the serenity to change the things I can,accept the things I cant and the wisdom to know the difference"
I almost think that some forms of depression are just philosophical knowledge that hasnt been identified yet,I,for a long time didnt understand why I felt and thought the way that I did but then I met a really interesting individual who told me that I "had the soul of a philosopher" Thats why I had to reply,,,deja vu.
Its reall hard sometimes to understand why some are given this "gift" and some are not.Is it a good thing?Why me? Can I handle this?
I had tons of questions and this was all back when I was 16...hardest time of my life,I was constantly fighting myself.I couldnt understand myself and who I was so I turned to philosophy and it made a world of difference.
Realism is definately another form of it but I dont really like realism because it takes the fun out of things,its very pure though so I do lots of reading on it.
Try anything by Plato,Socrates and Oscar Wilde. Oscar Wilde is very political in his writings but they are nothing short of brilliant.His poems are especially good,the way he uses words just amazed me.
Ill share with you guys something I wrote when I was 16,I thought you might be interested..
So many thoughts of whats to come, in a sense that only i and very few others can understand. If only i could make it clear to them my thoughts, but thats impossible, its like trying to teach latin to a potato, impossible. I wonder, often, if this is my girt or my curse, id like to think its my gift but theres always something in my sub conscious telling me something else. This is either the most wonderful, most purest act of intelligence that can be distilled upon me, or it is the worst of all paranoia and discretion known to man. Great philosophers, what does it take to be one? a degree in the field of philosophy or to be a newborn child, the purest form of man, with no condensending barriers to hold us back and bound us by our "morals" At the moment of birth, man is born with absolutely everything he needs, mentally, physically, emotionally and spiritually but how these attributes are realted to the person depends on the environment of the thinker. Heredity vs environment, its a classic question, one that hasnt ever been quite answered in order to satisfy our thirst for the unknown mind of a child. Is living not being born backwards? we are born with all we need, everything else, well its everything else. Do we need it? yes indeed.
By saying that we are born backwards, is this not a life of contradiction? Like a sculptor, he starts off with a lump of clay and takes away pieces to make his masterpiece, but we as humans, add onto our so called masterpiece to fill thw wholes in our lives and our worlds, but why? why must we fill these holes? Are these "holes" the philosopher of our unconscious mind? Just longing to be free? what is it that holds our inner philosopher inside? is it out immense ignorance, or is it just plain fear?fear of the realization that we are only physical beings in a material exixtance?we know thats not true as philosophers, but to the "average man" i really hate that term,they believe that we are exclusively physical. Is it the fear to come to that realization that keeps them so mindless?its not their fault, its a very scary concept to think over. I will not live my life "underground" because of what has been given to me, i will help others to find this path, they may not understand me, but i understand them, and for now, thats alls i can do.
Take Care everyone.
:D Peace
I can definatley relate to that.
I think the same thoughts too.My main one is that we are merely physical beings in a material existance.I used to get really depressed and hopeless as I obsessed over that thought but then I remembered a quote...
"God grant me the serenity to change the things I can,accept the things I cant and the wisdom to know the difference"
I almost think that some forms of depression are just philosophical knowledge that hasnt been identified yet,I,for a long time didnt understand why I felt and thought the way that I did but then I met a really interesting individual who told me that I "had the soul of a philosopher" Thats why I had to reply,,,deja vu.
Its reall hard sometimes to understand why some are given this "gift" and some are not.Is it a good thing?Why me? Can I handle this?
I had tons of questions and this was all back when I was 16...hardest time of my life,I was constantly fighting myself.I couldnt understand myself and who I was so I turned to philosophy and it made a world of difference.
Realism is definately another form of it but I dont really like realism because it takes the fun out of things,its very pure though so I do lots of reading on it.
Try anything by Plato,Socrates and Oscar Wilde. Oscar Wilde is very political in his writings but they are nothing short of brilliant.His poems are especially good,the way he uses words just amazed me.
Ill share with you guys something I wrote when I was 16,I thought you might be interested..
So many thoughts of whats to come, in a sense that only i and very few others can understand. If only i could make it clear to them my thoughts, but thats impossible, its like trying to teach latin to a potato, impossible. I wonder, often, if this is my girt or my curse, id like to think its my gift but theres always something in my sub conscious telling me something else. This is either the most wonderful, most purest act of intelligence that can be distilled upon me, or it is the worst of all paranoia and discretion known to man. Great philosophers, what does it take to be one? a degree in the field of philosophy or to be a newborn child, the purest form of man, with no condensending barriers to hold us back and bound us by our "morals" At the moment of birth, man is born with absolutely everything he needs, mentally, physically, emotionally and spiritually but how these attributes are realted to the person depends on the environment of the thinker. Heredity vs environment, its a classic question, one that hasnt ever been quite answered in order to satisfy our thirst for the unknown mind of a child. Is living not being born backwards? we are born with all we need, everything else, well its everything else. Do we need it? yes indeed.
By saying that we are born backwards, is this not a life of contradiction? Like a sculptor, he starts off with a lump of clay and takes away pieces to make his masterpiece, but we as humans, add onto our so called masterpiece to fill thw wholes in our lives and our worlds, but why? why must we fill these holes? Are these "holes" the philosopher of our unconscious mind? Just longing to be free? what is it that holds our inner philosopher inside? is it out immense ignorance, or is it just plain fear?fear of the realization that we are only physical beings in a material exixtance?we know thats not true as philosophers, but to the "average man" i really hate that term,they believe that we are exclusively physical. Is it the fear to come to that realization that keeps them so mindless?its not their fault, its a very scary concept to think over. I will not live my life "underground" because of what has been given to me, i will help others to find this path, they may not understand me, but i understand them, and for now, thats alls i can do.
Take Care everyone.
:D Peace
bluesnowflake
11-11-2003, 07:04 PM
oh how I love being a thinker and I just HATE doing it ALL the time. I agree with whoever said being a philosopher is like a form of mental illness. I was once majoring in philosophy, until I realized I already think enough...
Justthinkin, I think along the same sort of lines you. My mind is always on the go, wondering why most often, Then I have to wonder why I wonder why so much. Too damn much sometimes. I also am a yoga fan, used to meditate until my thoughts became reality....BOY was that scary...don't let that happen....have seen my share of psyhologists, all who have suggested at illnesses such as bipolar or major depression, but never been pinpointed. I don't think there is anything wrong with me OR you, I just think we think too much. Honestly I can't imagine what other people do if they aren't thinking. I don't understand when people say they aren't thinking anything. How can that happen? I want to know dammit!! I used to smoke pot lots (not anymore), it made my mind less thoughtful and more in la la la zoner land...only recently has somebody pointed out that most people smoke it to experience the kind of thoughts I experience everyday. I thought this was hilariously true. Many people just stare at me when I start rambling on and on about what I am thinking and wondering. They think its amusing, and in turn, I find it amusing that they don't get it. Harsh world it is. Ah well. My mind has expereinced what perhaps others will never know. Some days I hate it, espeically when I think none of my friends have this mentality I do. I have no one to relate to really. Perhaps we can start a racing thoughts conference. Like a hayday for philosophers. A grand march of wonder whyers. It'll be a hoot for all us wise owls (ha ha...I am also very cheesey ;) )
Last week someone asked me to teach them to have my 'attitude'. I stared blankly at them and just said say everything you are thinking right now...and they were like..."umm....why is she asking me to do this?? I'm not really thinking of anything!" My thoughts at that moment would take a few pages. And thats just in 3 seconds. Thinkers are like trees. Each branch contains more branches, more leaves, more insects, and they all keep growing. I think the rest of the world has an assortment of small labeled trees. We just have one huge enourmous tree. People want to prune mine. I want to fertilize theirs.
Anyway, I think that was the most rambled thing ever. :p
Justthinkin, I think along the same sort of lines you. My mind is always on the go, wondering why most often, Then I have to wonder why I wonder why so much. Too damn much sometimes. I also am a yoga fan, used to meditate until my thoughts became reality....BOY was that scary...don't let that happen....have seen my share of psyhologists, all who have suggested at illnesses such as bipolar or major depression, but never been pinpointed. I don't think there is anything wrong with me OR you, I just think we think too much. Honestly I can't imagine what other people do if they aren't thinking. I don't understand when people say they aren't thinking anything. How can that happen? I want to know dammit!! I used to smoke pot lots (not anymore), it made my mind less thoughtful and more in la la la zoner land...only recently has somebody pointed out that most people smoke it to experience the kind of thoughts I experience everyday. I thought this was hilariously true. Many people just stare at me when I start rambling on and on about what I am thinking and wondering. They think its amusing, and in turn, I find it amusing that they don't get it. Harsh world it is. Ah well. My mind has expereinced what perhaps others will never know. Some days I hate it, espeically when I think none of my friends have this mentality I do. I have no one to relate to really. Perhaps we can start a racing thoughts conference. Like a hayday for philosophers. A grand march of wonder whyers. It'll be a hoot for all us wise owls (ha ha...I am also very cheesey ;) )
Last week someone asked me to teach them to have my 'attitude'. I stared blankly at them and just said say everything you are thinking right now...and they were like..."umm....why is she asking me to do this?? I'm not really thinking of anything!" My thoughts at that moment would take a few pages. And thats just in 3 seconds. Thinkers are like trees. Each branch contains more branches, more leaves, more insects, and they all keep growing. I think the rest of the world has an assortment of small labeled trees. We just have one huge enourmous tree. People want to prune mine. I want to fertilize theirs.
Anyway, I think that was the most rambled thing ever. :p