I know a certain amount of people who have the tendencacy to panic and bring everybody down with their agitation. These people behave and have a look of fear and complete doom in their eyes every time they panic and it is over something so simple as getting to a class on time or making a couple points lower on a test or planning ahead into the future and assuming the worst. They also assume almost every decision and situation is of life or death, doom and gloom, world burning in fire response. These people are cynical and are times in permenant full fledge panic. I have worked with panic type people (I had 2 supervisors and a boss that was that way). I have some panic type friends. What do I do? sometimes I wish I could stay away from them and never speak to them but I can't because that is the unassertive way out.

Also what goes on in your brains? What are you telling yourselves to make yourselves feel so panic stricken? Also what can I say to make you panic type people calm down and feel safe? I want to understand what the big deal is? My god!

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I know you mean well and want to understand panic disorder, but I feel your statements are rather abrasive - especially to people suffering from this illness in this forum. They do nobody any good here. And panic attackers do not get better by other people being abrasive to them. It's just not how this illness works.

Also, I am not even sure that the people you spoke about have legitimate panic disorder. They could be just nasty individuals.


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I agree....Panic disorder Is a real Illness......However the people you described just seem like normal people worried about a test....If you do know someone that was diagnosed with Panic disorder.....Just try to understand It,Look It up on the net....and try to be there for them.

fm5, you took the words right out of my mouth!

i don't think you're talking about ppl with panic disorder..

i think you're talking about ppl who are just overly-critical of everything..

panic disorder is a mental disease that mimics many physical health problems..

panic disorder isn't kicking yourself in the arse for being late to class or getting a couple points lower on a test than you expected..

you're confusing ppl who panic with ppl who have panic DISORDER.. y'dig?

"panic disorder is a mental disease that mimics many physical health problems.."

Sorry disagree with you here...Panic Disorder IS an Emotional Disorder..

panic disorder is emotional, but it presents with many physical symptoms.

Thank you for the replys. I know panic disorder is a real medical condition. I wish everybody the best of luck. I would like to hear real examples from real live people with panic disorder. I have done some research and talking to you guys is even more intensive research that helps me to help others. You are right I probably did sound abrasive towards the end of my message and I do apologize. I was very frustrated that day because before I typed that I had a conversation with a friend that was doom saying everything left and right and contridicting herself on several topics. I do not think the people that I described are normal people because they have a strong tendencacy to focus and latch onto the worry and doomsday thoughts for days,weeks and months without any resolution or solutions. I hope you guys do not consider that normal. That is type of thought thinking is so unproductive and irrational that how can much get done? How can harmony and peace a focus? I do think that somebody hit it on the head and that is that the people I described are overly critical.

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I would like to hear real examples from real live people with panic disorder.

All you have to do is read the numerous threads in this forum.

I had a conversation with a friend that was doom saying everything left and right and contridicting herself on several topics.

Again, I am not even sure this person has panic disorder.

I do not think the people that I described are normal people because they have a strong tendencacy to focus and latch onto the worry and doomsday thoughts for days,weeks and months without any resolution or solutions. I hope you guys do not consider that normal.

Again, the fact that these people constantly think of doom and gloom could be any number of things from depression, obsessive compulsive disorder, general anxiety disorder, bi-polar, etc. In fact, these people might not even have a “disorder” at all as you seem to claim. They may just be having a bad day/week, etc. and are merely on the crabby side.

If I saw someone panic over a test score or whether they would make it to class or not (as you mentioned in your first post), I would not in any way assume they had panic disorder as you did.



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WANNABEHOTGUY....THIS IA A FULL BLOWN PANIC DESCRIPTION.... I AM SITTING IN A ROOM WITH MY FRIENDS. NOTHING REALLY DIFFERENT GOING ON, I FOR NO GOOD REASON START FEELING ALITTLE DIFFERENT THAN NORMAL, SOMETIMES IT'S A CHANGE IN MY BREATHING, OTHER TIMES I START TO NOTICE MY HEARTBEAT, AND THEN SOMETIMES I JUST START FEELING SCARED. FROM ONE OF THESE POINTS AND THEY ARE JUST A FEW.I START THINKING I AM GOING TO PASS OUT, OR SOMETHING REALLY BAD IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. MAYBE I AM ABOUT TO DIE, MY HANDS ARE SWEATING MY HEART RACING, I AM SCARED TO DEATH, I WANT TO REACH OUT TO SOMEONE TO HELP, OR STOP THIS FEELING, I AM LOOKING AROUND ARE THEIR PEOPLE HERE I CAN TRUST TO SAVE ME FROM DYING, IS THEIR SOMEONE HERE I CAN TELL, BUT IF I SAY IT OUT LOAD WILL IT HAPPEN FOR SURE, I AM SCARED TO SAY IT OUT LOUD. I GET UP PACE AROUND, OR GO OUTSIDE MAYBE IF I GO OUTSIDE AND DO SOMETHING IT WILL STOP. I MAY START TO PRAY INSIDE MY HEAD PLEASE GOD STOP THIS FEELING HELP ME, I AM SCARED, I MAKE PROMISES TO STOP THINGS OR START NEW THINGS. I FEEL A SENSE OF DOOM SO POWERFUL I AM EMOTIONALLY DISABLED,MY BODY IS REACTING TO A EMERGENCY ( REALEASING ADRENALINE AND SO ON), BUT THERE IS NO EMERGENCY. i MAY GO TO SOMEONE AND SAY I DON'T FEEL GOOD, FEEL MY HEART RATE, CHECK MY PULSE, DO I LOOK STRANGE. I MAY WANT TO CALL AN AMBULANCE OR GO TO AN EMERGENCY ROOM. I MAY TELL YOU I THINK I AM DYING, I WILL LOOK AND FEEL SCARED TO DEATH. I WILL SHAKE OR TREMBLE ESPECIALLY IN MY LEGS AND/OR UPPER BODY AS THE ATTACK SUBSIDES. THIS ATTACK MAY BE OVER AT THIS POINT OR IT MAY START AGAIN IN A FEW MINUTES. I HAVE HAD ATTACKS COME AND GO SEVERAL TIMES. SOMETIMES EVEN DAILY OR WEEKS. AND THEN NOTHING FOR MONTHS. THESE ATTACK ARE VERY REAL AND VERY SCARY. I BELIEVE THEM TO BE EFFECTS OF SEVERE TRUST ISSUES. I BELIEVE THAT AT SOME POINT SOMEONE OR SOMETHING HAS HURT US DEEPLY AND CAUSE A TOTAL LACK OF TRUST IN EVERYTHING! OR A SUDDEN RELALITY AWARENESS, AWARENESS OF MORTALITY, A COMPLETE BREAKDOWN IN OUR ABILITY TO CONTROL ANYTHING, WE FEEL IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER OUR OWN BODIES.SOME ARE EVEN BE CHEMICAL IMBALANCES. FOR THOSE OF YOU SUFFERING FROM THESE TYPES OF PANIC ATTACKS, I CAN TELL YOU AND YOU KNOW THIS IS ONLY A BRIEF INSIGHT AND THEIR ARE MANY VARIATIONS OF SYMPTOMS AND OTHER ISSUES. BUT I CAN OFFER THIS. I HAVE HAD SEVERE PANIC ATTACKS SINCE I WAS ABOUT 16 AND FROM 16 TO 25 THEY WERE HORRIBLE, I SPENT MANY YEARS SEEKING DOCTORS WITH ANSWERES! NOT SLEEPING AT NIGHT, GOING TO SOMEONE ELSE'S HOME TO SLEEP WHERE I FELT SOMEWHAT SAFE, GOING TO ANY EXTREME TO KEEP FROM BEING ALONE OR IN DARK PLACES,I ALWAYS GOT MYSELF PLACES IN A CAR BY CHECKING DISTANCE FROM ONE EXIT TO ANOTHER. I ALWAYS NOTICED THE H SIGNS ALONG THE WAY AND SO ON, YOU KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. I AM COPING VERY WELL NOW AND DO NOT SUFFER SEVERE ATTACKS LIKE THAT. I AM NOT ON MEDICATION IT WILL NOT HELP YOU! YOU MUST RETRAIN YOUR MIND AND THINKING PATTERN, I WILL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANYONES QUESTION AND HELP YOU E MAIL ME ANYTIME! I AM NOW 40 AND FREE! NOT PANIC FREE, BUT FEAR FREE! I DO NOT FEEL SCARED AND THEY DO NOT CONTROL MY LIFE AT ALL! ALL2U@AOL.COM GOOD LUCK! AND NEVER STOP COPING

I have PTSD/anxiety/panic and severe depression. I dont know what triggers my attacks most times. I had a severe anxiety attack last saturday to where my psych told me to go to ER. And I agree with it is mental but i also KNOW that it is physical as well. My bloodpressure was twice as high as normal and my pulse was 118 when i got to the er and that was already an hour or so into the "attack' My anxiety attack was different then panic that i go through. With anxiety i felt "off" i was dizzy, and clumsy i had numbness in my head and below my knees which in turn i ended up walking into a wall, i was searching for my sisters number (shes a good support for me) and couldnt find anything nor remember what i was looking for at the time, my right arm was shaking and i just couldnt sit stil yet i was clumsy and felt like passing out if i walked aaround....diagnosis from ER doc after monitoring me and tests...severe anxiety attack and to have my doc up my meds cuz they didnt work at the dose i was on. Ok as for panic...I know what causes those for me....the fear of being hit in the head and also being around alot of people in open spaces. Panic is different in some ways for me..i get nauseous, im so scared i cant move sometimes and i shake.....those only normally last (for me ) no more than 20 min with a build up..a peak...and then a slow decline. These are things that cannot be helped...trust me I dont want to feel that way. My husband sat there for like 10 min before taking me to the ER asking me "what caused this....what triggered this?" I couldnt answer him even if i knew what the answer was. I also agree with (im sorry i dont remember who said it) but when someone is in a panic or anxiety attack you dont degrade them...it makes them feel worse. When my husband was grilling me and trying to figure out why i was feeling the way i was...well i felt like i was a freak and was being badly judged for something i didnt want anyhow. He then had a talk with me the following day and tried to help but alot of what he said hurt my feelings...i wont go into that but i am more sensetive now than i was before. Ive been told..well you cant change what has happend to you so just deal with it. Its so easy for others to say that...and believe me im trying to deal with it. My docs tell me ive come a long way (my neuro psychologist) and then other people who arent docs tell me im feeling sorry for myself enough for everyone. Im going to listen to my docs and stop listening to the others. When you see someone panicking or anxiety...be there for them in any way that can help...if it were you then you would probably want the support and not the judging either. Take care all and sorry for the long post.

your're right, panic dissorder is a emotional disorder!!!!!sometimes the person who has it has no idea whats causing it.they often think it's something out side them thats causeing their panic,and discomfort,if they have a panic attack in a car ,sure enough that will be their phobia for along time. it wasn't the car that made them panic it was the thoughts they were thinking prior to that ,maybe they were worring about a paper that was late or ect. and instead of focussing on the real issue ,they focused on their body symptons and from then on thats thier fear.it is a real sickness,but the true help comes from that person,they need to realize that it's them causes their panic, they need to learn to speak more calmly and learn to relax.this takes practice. doing pos-nag dialog is the first step in overcomming this illness. most don't even realize how nagetive they really are and how bad they scare themselves.it is that person who causes their panic attack,anyone can overcome this, i have.

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I would love to hear how you overcame your panic...sincerely. I didnt have panic befoore i had a head injury and i seriously cannot help when i see some heavy object above or beside me, i start to panic...ive tried the calming yourself down but most often my thoughts are racing so fast on the what happend before when i got hit..to what will happen if it hits again and into the whole ordeal. I dont cause my panic ...the bunghole who didnt secure the 5-6foot iron door that fell and hit me in the head causing all my problems (both permanant physical muscle damage to ptsd and so on). I think that panic is different for everyone and sometimes its and emotional thing that causes it or a memory of an accident such as mine that permanantly altered my life as well as my family...seeing how i cant drive now due to seizures and all from the accident. My panic is a build up of the accident and these past nine months where they keep finding new things that are causing probs BECAUSE of the accident not because of me and overstressing an issue. I sure hope i am not sounding harsh because i truly dont mean too. Im not angry or getting myself alll bent out of shape, I just have the oppinion that sometimes panic can be caused by physical things not just emotional based. I want to overcome my ptsd/anxiety/panic and severe depression more than anything...but the last time i was at the docs i was told i still can t drive and have some permanant damage to my neck and shoulder muscles (right shoulder and hey guess what im right handed no suprise) Panic and anxiety and this depression issue has been the hardest thing ive ever had to deal with and ive had some whopper traumas..one expample...i went through hurricane andrew and lived in the aftermath...and this head injury thing and all that ...i cant overcome...or lets say its taking me a loooooooong time to come to terms and "deal" with it. I dont even know when anxiety will hit or a seizure but i have also become a "homebody" because i know that (my accident happend in a store) i panic when im out because of the fear of another thing whacking me in the head. I cannot help that no matter how much i try to talk myself out of it. So please share some techniques other than talk yourself down...that dont work for me but i would love to hear some others that might. I would appreciate the help and you all take care.
Tigre
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yes i go to a neuro psychologist for the emotional therepy and all....im trying everything i know to do from self pep talks to psychologist and the meds im on..if you all have anything else that might help id love to know... :)