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mommyof5
01-23-2003, 12:49 PM
Hi, I'm a mommy of 5. okay here's some history.

My eldest daughter (11 1/2) has severe adhd (she's been assessed), she's been on meds (ritalin) since she was 5 3/4, she has always had to take the maximum dosage possible per weight and has still always has trouble to focus at school,home, etc. She's had resource,special ed, been in the special class they call the "learning center", she's had counseling. She's always had bad marks although she is very smart and scored well for her I.Q. (not a genious but high average to low superior range)
Okay, now the second eldest. My son (8 3/4) is adhd (not as severe) but also has CAPD (central auditory processing disorder). He also was assessed, he is also medicated (ritalin) at a more normal dose. He was doing horrible in school (they felt he should repeat grade 1 but we let him go up to grade 2) We started medicating him a year ago (middle of grade 2) and then things just started to make more sense to him and and he started being able to read 3 letter words,etc (it was a start!) This school year I am proud to say he is enjoying school and homework! He's becoming more and more independant in trying to do the work without help. Last year the school wanted me to transfer him to another school so he could receive full time resource in their special class but I refused because then I would have 3 in 1 school and 1 in another.(he's sort of insecure and is definetly an anxious child so I didn't want to seperate him from his siblings). He is receiving part time resource this year and things are looking great so far. (He just finished reading his first chapter book - Stuart Little by E.B. White, WE'RE SO HAPPY AND PROUD!)

So here's where I need opinions, my 3rd child (daughter). She is 7 1/4 and in grade 1. She never stays still, very fidity (to the point where she falls of the kitchen chair - many times over the years). She is extremely annoying to her siblings in many buggy ways, ex. standing in front of the t.v., touching things of theirs, it's kind of hard to explain because I know kids do this to each other but with her it's extreme and she won't stop (even with punishing,time outs,etc) She doesn't do as she is told at home, at school, at swimming, at sparks (girl guides) or at Grandma's house, SHE JUST DOESN'T LISTEN AND OBEY! At school she is very popular and has many friends - no problem socialy. The teachers says she doesn't do her work when she's told to until they really hound her, she fiddles around in her desk instead of listening when the teacher is talking to the class, she stares in class, she doesn't always come when the bell rings that recess is over and after they whistle at her a few times they literaly have to go get her. I think by now you get the idea. Now here's the killer part she's got top marks - A's across the board, she has always learned things very quickly and retains them well. As much trouble that the teachers have to actually get her to do her work once they get her going she doesn't take long to complete it and in fact they told me she's at least 5 books (little 10 page readers) ahead of the other children. This is a bilingual english/french school and she does equally as good in both languages!
So any opinions on whether she too may be adhd? there IS a big history of it coming from both parents sides of the family. All opinions welcome - please help! Thanks!

mommyof5

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Bubsmom
01-26-2003, 07:11 AM
mommy of 5

Your situation sounds a lot like mine, only I have just two kids. With five I'd be running in circles. My son is six and has been diagnosed with bi-polar disorder, adhd, post tramatic syndrome, and conduct disorder. He was living with his father until August of 2001 and my new husband and I just had visitation every other weekend. Come to find out, his natural father was abusing him physically, emotionally, mentally, and have just recently found out sexually as well. So, my son has had a lot to deal with to say the very least. He has the post tramatic stress and conduct disorder due to his father. My son acts much the same way that you say your daughter does. he does not listen at home, at grandparents, in the store, at the sitter's, or anywhere besided school. He does have problems with behavior at school just not as severe as everywhere else. I'm not saying that your daughter has all the problems my son has, but adhd or bi-polar sound very convincing in my own opinion. It is quite hard sometimes to get a bi-polar diagnosis because until just a few years ago, it was only heard of in mid teen to early adult years. Also, once you do get that diagnosis it is very hard to medicate since children are growing literally every day. We still have not found the best med for my son and have been going to the DR and counselor since we got custody of him a year and a half ago. It is very hard on the entire family, especially my daughter. She is going to be 9 in March. My son stands in front of the t.v., touches her things, tears up her stuff, tries to hurt her, makes very annoying noises just to get at her. We generally don't get to do much of anything besided visit with grandma and grandpa's since they know what to expect. I had to quit working in order to give him more consistancy and something he could depend on. Although I like not having to work besides at home anymore. LOL

Anyway, sorry to go on forever. It sounds to me like adhd is definately a possibility and bi-polar something worth looking into. Hope this helps and if I'm completely off target, I apologize in advance. I would really like to hear how things are going for you though so please keep posting.

mommyof5
01-26-2003, 10:29 AM
Bubsmom
I'm really sorry to hear about what has happened to your son, some parents are just horrible. My eldest was sexually molested by her father too (we don't think there was any actual penetration,thank god) but it still leaves emotional scars. He walked out on us 2 weeks before her 6th birthday, my son had just turned 3, my daughter we are talking about was 17 months and the newborn was 3 months old. I've since been with another guy for 5 years and that's where baby #5 comes from who is going to be 3 on March 10th (lord help me he's a handful and a half! LOL)
My ex-husband literaly abanded us, i don't know where he is, what he's doing, I don't get support payments-nothing! Well, I think we are better off with him completly out of our lives. I can't imagine how I would feel if the kids were to go off every 2 weeks for visitation after what happened to my daughter! I went to my lawyer and we went through court and had his visitation rights taken away (but we had to wait about 3 years to prove he had not had contact with them).My lawyer had to, by law, place an ad in a newspaper for him to appear in court to contest but he was clever and placed it in a small local french newspaper, so in turn he never showed up, I won instantly! My next step, says my lawyer, is to wait another 2-3 years and then I can ask to have his parental rights taken away and then my current husband (commom law) can adopt all 4 kids. My only fear there if I do that is that I may not be able to go after him for back support payments (I really don't know how that works.
sorry to get off topic, I tend to carry on alot (I think it's kind of like therapy to let out all these thoughts and feelings).
Somebody (not a professional (sp?) once suggested bipolar for my eldest daughter but I kind of just threw that one away. I really don't know what it is, what are the symptons? Is it hereditary? Can it have anything to do with tourettes (my grandfather and half brother (also ADHD) on my fathers side have that. I would love more info on bipolar.
Ugh, sometimes I just feel like pulling my hair out of my head and screaming. You've read about my first 3 kids, child #4 has always been severly speech delayed and also has fine motor skill problems (minor but they are apperent)(read my post about her in childrens health). And so far my baby (I still call him that although he thinks he's about 5) is a very high maintenance child, even the daycare says he very energetic! I KNOW what the terrible 2's are all about but he's got a bad case of them. (all my kids have). I am SOOO stunned by other children between the ages of 18 months and 5-6 years old who don't run around, who actually follow there parents in stores, who listen and behave. It makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong and that my parenting techniques are not very good, who knows? Maybe my almost 3 year old is a future ADHD in training LOL! Most of the genetic adhd comes from my side of the family Maternal and paternal. The father of the first 4 had adhd. It's all over the family, Heck maybe I'm add (I'm not hyper). I do have panic disorder and anxiety but that's not due to the kids, it started when I was in my teens (my mom has it too)
Sorry this was soooooooo long, please get back to me about bipolar and thanks for listening!

P.S. A lot of people say I look so calm and in control, if only they knew how I felt inside!

mommyof5

[This message has been edited by mommyof5 (edited 01-26-2003).]

mommyof5
02-05-2003, 09:16 AM
Just wanted to update everyone on my daughter. the 4 school age kids have all been home for the last 5 days (2 ped days, the weekend and an "ice day"). I did a medication trial (7.5 mg ritalin) on my daughter over these 5 days. This is what my hubby and I noticed:

-One of the most dramatic things we noticed was the lack of fighting between her and my almost 9 year old son. He usually can't stand her because she is "always in the way", "a nuisance", "always buggy", etc.

-She seemed to focus longer on things. Ex.sitting down to longer eat , sorting colored beads until we finished, organizing what ever she was doing for longer amounts of time.

-Here's another "BIGGY". The 4 older kids' bedrooms are in the basement and she won't go downstairs by herself, she always asks (or tricks) the 6 year old to go with her just to get something (a toy, a pair of socks, etc.). Well over the past 5 days I would ask "where's Angie?" and the response was "downstairs". "by herself?" I would ask, "yes" was the response. I would go down and check out what she was doing and she would be happily playing alone with something either in her bedroom or the familyroom (which has a t.v. but it wasn't always on - you would think she would have it on for company!).

she still did some things that were impulsive but when I "caught" her and asked her to stop she listened better or if I asked her to do something she responded to the orders much quicker.

mommyof5
03-01-2003, 01:29 PM
Another update! Good news, I spoke to her teachers and they say she is staying on task, completing her work without them hounding her, participating more instead of daydreaming. The teacher said "it's like night and day". We upped the dose to 10mg because she was still a bit "bouncy" :bouncing:, still a bit unfocused :round: and still having a bit of trouble doing as she is told (ex. she didn't listen to the swimming coach last night so she had to sit out for 5 min.). Now that we are on spring break we will try her on 12.5mg and see if that helps. That's it for now :)

mommyof5

Bubsmom
03-15-2003, 12:50 AM
Mommy of 5,

So sorry it took me this long to reply. I do get on here and read people's posts quite often, but after all the chaos throughout the day with my son and daughter I rarely feel like posting myself. (Poor excuse, I suppose. Sorry.) I'm glad to hear the ritilin seems to be helping. When my son first tried ritilin, it was terrible. It just aggrivated his bi-polar. He wouldn't sleep or eat and he fought, yelled, screamed, threw fits constantly. That is when we took him to the psychaitrist. They took him off of it immediately. Thank God. I don't know if you've read any of my other posts to know or not, but I am soon to be 26 and have been a diabetic since I was five. My daughter just turned nine last week and has been a diabetic since just after her first birthday. We are both insulin dependant. Also, my thyroid level is very low. I am now on Synthroid for that. My blood sugars are always up and down, up and down. Never any rhyme or reason. I check my blood and watch what I eat. I give my bloods to my Dr. every week so he can adjust my insulin. Nothing ever seems to work.

Sorry, I have gone from one thing to another in this post. I have never been treated for depression, but I feel I should be. I get so down thinking about and dealing with all the illnesses and problems I face every day. My ex husband put me through h***. Sort of sounds like your ex. He would hit and push me if he felt the need. He always yelled at everyone in our family. He did so many bad things to our son, yet he still tries to call me up and persuade me to let him see my little boy. A court order says that he must have supervised visitations through a child protection agency in my neighboring county, but he refuses to pay the cost for it. Then he calls me up, calling me and my new husband all kinds of names, saying that we are terrible people to keep his son from him.

I've just gone on and on, haven't I? I guess I just feel like why has all of this happened to me/us? It's hard for most people just to deal with one or two bad things, let alone all of this. Know what I mean?

Anyway, I truly am happy for you and your family that the ritilin has helped so far. Did I read in another post somewhere that your son is also having rage problems? I hope not, but I think it was you who did that post as well. Let everyone here know how you're doing. I know I personally don't have many answers, but I'm always willing to listen and be supportive.

Post again soon. Looking forward to hearing from you.

--Bubsmom

seasant
03-15-2003, 05:10 AM
Mommy of 5 - wow! You have your hands full. You must have adhd too, otherwise how else could you handle it all without being able to focus on everything at once :-) (Why it's called a "deficit" is beyond me!)
Anyway, as far as the younger child who is probably your most brilliant, sounds like she has Oppositional Defiance Disorder. There is medication for it that I have seen do wonders.
Take care. Enjoy a nice aromatherapy bubble bath.

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mommyof5
03-15-2003, 08:52 AM
bubsmom,
We went to the ped on Tuesday (March 11th). After doing the trial of 7.5mg, 10mg and 12.5mg of ritalin I told the doctor things just kept getting better the higher the dose. He told me that 12.5 would be the corrct dose per weight (she's 46 lbs) for ADHD, less than that would only treat ADD. She does seem better at home, the teachers are in awe at the change of her at school, YEAH!

Yes that is my 9 year old son with rage. He was taking 10 mg of ritalin (enough for ADD) I put him up to 15mg with Doc's permission. After seeing the doc he said I should even try him at 20mg and see if that helps him keep control of himself better. He said he should also go to a phycologist(sp) for his anger and his anxiety issues. I've made the call but it's a 2-3 month waiting list :(

seasant,
I don't think I have ADHD, neither does my own doc, she said if I had it I wouldn't be able to keep on top of my kids and all the problems the way I do. Who knows, maybe one day I will be diagnosed but for now I'm not.

All these problems, I guess I should mention that I myself suffer from anxiety disorder and panic attacks.(as far back as when I was 16/17, I just turned 33) I can manage for years without meds and then it blows up on me. This fall my anxiety rose very high and by Dec/Jan I started having the panic attacks again. I'm currently taking zoloft - 75mg/day (antidepressant) and clonazepam(sp) 0.5 in the morning and 0.25 (tranquiliser) in the evening. It seemes to be working but I think the Zoloft should be raised again and I would like to eventually be able to get off the tranquiliser, even if it is only a small dose. Unfortunatly I almost had another panic attack 2 days ago when I was out driving and had not taken my evening tranquiliser pill. So I guess I'll be staying on them a while longer.

I had to laugh though when I first went back to my doc after 2 years and she wanted to know about the kids (she wants updates so she can see what I'm dealing with) and after I went on and on she looked at me with a happy but shocked kind of face and said "I would be stressed out too if I was dealing with all of that, I'm surprised you're still sane!" LOL! I'll be seeing her again this Wed. the 19th. She'll probably adjust my doses again.

mommyof5

Bubsmom
03-15-2003, 11:26 PM
Mommy of five,

Just a quick thought:

Could you ask the doctor to give you a referral to the psychologist? When I tried to make an appointment for my son to first see the psychaitrist they also had a few month waiting list so I asked his Dr. for a referral and then we got into the psychaitrist in a matter of a couple weeks. I'm so glad we got the referral. I don't know if this is a possibility for you or not, but all you can do is ask. Right? It might get you in faster.
Good luck and let us know if you get in any faster or not.
Bubsmom

mommyof5
03-16-2003, 08:56 AM
I don't think it will help but I could try.

mommyof5

[This message has been edited by mommyof5 (edited 03-16-2003).]





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