~mandy~
04-13-2002, 05:44 PM
I'm at a loss as to what to do with my 7 year old son. He's got add, but is not yet medicated. His doc's appointment is this week to discuss it. The main problem with him is decepline right now. Nothing works....we've tried, time outs in his room, time outs in the corner of the living room, time outs in our room all alone, taking away his playstation (he loves it, but we only let him play maybe once a week), not being able to go out with his friends, taking favorite toys away...etc...aside from spanking we've done everything we can possibly do, including talking to him to try and make him understand why his behaviour is not appropriat. he doesn't care any more, time out's are a big game to him, he'll snikker and play...no matter how long he's left there (we started off with 7 minutes which worked great for a while). He's going downhill fast and i have no idea how to cope with him anymore. Any insight as to how to help him would be great....
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flyfskm
04-13-2002, 09:29 PM
hi there! i can't help you because i'm dealing with the EXACT same thing with my 6 year old daughter. she goes to the doctor on the 19th to discuss meds, but basically she is out of control, too. it really upsets me http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/bigcry.gif . i'm just as interested in the responses you get as you are! i hope you get help soon! hang in there!!! :wave: kim.
alwaysBhind
04-13-2002, 11:07 PM
Hello! I have a 7 y.o. boy too. Not ADD tho. Still very hyper and noisey. To get him to follow house rules, I do use time-out. But I use at least 20 minutes. That 1 min. for each year of their age is crap. (time-out is less often now...) I also take away privledges. The use of VHS tapes (like Disney). Complete use of his TV. Very early bedtime....usually overly tired anyway! Extra practice of school work at kitchen table, which means much less PLAY TIME. If items are left around and not taken care of, I "confiscate" them! (like favorite clothes thrown in the floor, toys, gel pens, GI Joes, Legos, etc.) I have a special "under the bed" storage box in my room that has all the goodies I've taken in it. At the end of the month, he "gets" to BUY back the items at the price I deam necessary. He can use his "Good Samaritan Coupons" I make on the computer as 'cash' also to buy the stuff back. Even has made him more aware of the 'high cost of living'!!!! OH! I also have a 9 y.o. daughter....all this applies to both. Hope this gives you some help. One thing to remember, as a parent, one must watch over the little boogers WHILE they are 'doing the dicipline'. Example...If I completely leave my boy to do his 'extra school work' at the table alone....it would take a very long time. His frustration level is that of a 7 y.o. little boy. Period. I kinda stay close. Keep him on track. Make the punishment fit the crime........... all the way to COMPLETION. Yeah!
aipearson
04-14-2002, 12:34 AM
HI! I know how you are feeling. My seven year old son is ADHD and he is medicated, but keep in mind even after he is on medication, it will not solve all of your problems. Alot of what they do is not their fault but that does not mean it does not drive you crazy.
Children with this problem have a hard time remembering that there are consequences to their actions because they are so impulsive. You have to teach him to think before he acts. I know it is hard but he needs to self monitor himself.
I am also a special education teacher and one of my professors in college was very involved in CHADD. It is a great organization that might help you deal with problems. They have a website. I would also suggest a book that I like called "Driven to Distraction". It helps you understand what it is like for these kids.
Your child is probably like mine and was so used to negative attention that he took whatever he could get. So I had to change my perspective on what he was doing. You might make a chart of things he is supposed to do everyday and if he does them, have a reward. It doesn't have to be big, it just changes his focus from negative to positive. At first don't make it a million things because they have trouble focusing and prioritizing.
I hope this helps. If you need any further advice or just need to talk, just let me know. I know it is sooooo hard to have to live with this problem. But it can get better.
ANGI
Children with this problem have a hard time remembering that there are consequences to their actions because they are so impulsive. You have to teach him to think before he acts. I know it is hard but he needs to self monitor himself.
I am also a special education teacher and one of my professors in college was very involved in CHADD. It is a great organization that might help you deal with problems. They have a website. I would also suggest a book that I like called "Driven to Distraction". It helps you understand what it is like for these kids.
Your child is probably like mine and was so used to negative attention that he took whatever he could get. So I had to change my perspective on what he was doing. You might make a chart of things he is supposed to do everyday and if he does them, have a reward. It doesn't have to be big, it just changes his focus from negative to positive. At first don't make it a million things because they have trouble focusing and prioritizing.
I hope this helps. If you need any further advice or just need to talk, just let me know. I know it is sooooo hard to have to live with this problem. But it can get better.
ANGI
mlgable
04-14-2002, 02:59 AM
YOu may need consider counseling for your children as I went through something similar only school related last year. My son has always been late with his homework and has been made to stay in for recess and often after lunch and what not because of his late work. Last year the special ed teacher was at her witts end because threatening him with a lunch time detention etc didn't make an impression on him. After not having had any recess time all along what was one more privilge being taken away to him? I told her I would speak to the doc about his meds but when I told the doc about him blowing off school etc. He told a change or increase in meds was not the answer. He said we should have him see a psychologist for help which is what we did. We were fortunate to get a wonderful doc who was very insightful regarding ADD and all it's problems. Had to post this to let you know that meds may not be your ultimate answer for behavior problems.
~mandy~
04-14-2002, 08:07 AM
Thanks for the repyly's...my son is a little of all of those kids. As far as getting him in to see a therapist it'll be a long time, i have to check with my doc to see what is available (in canada a lot of stuff is free...so cost is not an issue). But as far as getting a therapist through school i've already been told by the doctor, his teacher, and his resource teacher thath he is very low priority, thankfully he doesn't have any behaviour problems at school as of yet, so it could take a very long time to get in to see the school systems therapist. I spend several hours alone with him a week, but thats even hard to do because he's all over the place and it's hard to have a conversation with him because he argues with everything...i could say the sky is blue and he'd fight me on that, lol. I've tried most of the things suggested. I'm thinking of starting a star chart kind of system...if he can behave all week he can have an hr of playstation...or something like that....i don't know what else to do...aside from spanking(which i don't believe in) i've done everything i can think of to try and make him understand....i know he can't always help himself which makes punishing him even harder. :0)
txs1638
04-16-2002, 11:45 AM
Hello. I am probably going to step on a lot of toes but this is my story. My oldest daughter who is now 8 years old was diagnosed at age 5 with ADHD. I tried time out and everything else they suggested. She was put on Ritilin. I was also a single parent with 2 other children. I started spanking her and it actually helped more than anything else. I got married last year and he has the same views as I do "Spare the rod spoil the child". The old fashioned way of disipline has produced a drug free, loving, well behaved (even when she is away from us), A/B honor roll child. She is now in 3rd grade and has been off of drugs for 12 months. I think that old values and the old way of doing things is very underrated.
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flyfskm
04-16-2002, 03:34 PM
txs1638,
though there will be some parents who disagree with you, i completely agree with you. my husband and i were both raised in the south where spankings were a dime a dozen. we use time out for 2 of our 3 kids (the little one is only 14 months old), but sometimes it just isn't enough. i spank my children, not hard, but i do. most of the people out there now who disagree with spanking were actually spanked as children. the way i see it is, i was spanked as a child, so was my husband, and we didn't grow up to be serial killers or anything. i don't need to go to therapy twice a week because i was spanked as a child http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif i say, give me a break. but i also respect people's decision that don't spank. to each his own! :wave: kim.
though there will be some parents who disagree with you, i completely agree with you. my husband and i were both raised in the south where spankings were a dime a dozen. we use time out for 2 of our 3 kids (the little one is only 14 months old), but sometimes it just isn't enough. i spank my children, not hard, but i do. most of the people out there now who disagree with spanking were actually spanked as children. the way i see it is, i was spanked as a child, so was my husband, and we didn't grow up to be serial killers or anything. i don't need to go to therapy twice a week because i was spanked as a child http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif i say, give me a break. but i also respect people's decision that don't spank. to each his own! :wave: kim.
flyfskm
04-16-2002, 03:35 PM
also, my 6 year old daughter has adhd and ocd, but is not on meds yet.
Pills Pills Pills
04-18-2002, 02:03 AM
see if this helps. My son is 10 he goes up and down he was diagnosed with ADHD at the age of 6 and he was all those terrible things that make a mom want to pull her hair out. Drugs do help BUT BUT BUT they take time to get the right doseage and the right drug. Some may make your child have no emotion others may sedate them... I found a one time does of time released ritalin works the best for my son he is happy and plays tons still but also can stay calm enough to accomplish his tasks. Until you know what is going to happen try this.
1. always be the boss, remain consistant if you put that toy up dont get it down for anything. If you say your throwing it away ... throw it away.
2. usually an ADD or ADHD child needs something constructive to do. So teach him to wash dishes or fold clothes. or give him an entire pack of construction paper and pens or scissors and say draw me a picture on every page and cut it out.... simply give him something to keep him busy and out of trouble get down the playdoe. and the fingerpaint or ask him to dig a hole in the backyard.. whatever makes him feel challanged and needed.
3. Let that child know you are the mom and you will whoop his sassy little bottom. I dont suggest using your hand as they should be instruments of love care holding kissing BUT a nice little paddle, belt, bolo paddle, paint stirrer, wooden spoon, switch... works wonders. just use it if you threaten it. If the public school can spank your child so can you.
4. Remember that an ADD or ADHD child is normally very bright, they know they are doing wrong and want desperately to stop misbehaving. They often cant force themselves to be good.. So until you have it under control, you want to really praise him when he does good.
5. Remember that once on a medication he wont want to eat. So dont be too hard if he doesnt eat his lunch. Make sure you give him a good big breakfast before he gets his pill. and never give the pill too late or he will be up all night.
My son is in the 5th doing some 6th grade work and should be in the 4th grade. He is a straight A student. Now in private school (a pace program) as the learning is better for him and his ADHD I found with a pace program he can work at his minds pace. The public school wanted to put him in special classes when all he really needed was to be challanged.
1. always be the boss, remain consistant if you put that toy up dont get it down for anything. If you say your throwing it away ... throw it away.
2. usually an ADD or ADHD child needs something constructive to do. So teach him to wash dishes or fold clothes. or give him an entire pack of construction paper and pens or scissors and say draw me a picture on every page and cut it out.... simply give him something to keep him busy and out of trouble get down the playdoe. and the fingerpaint or ask him to dig a hole in the backyard.. whatever makes him feel challanged and needed.
3. Let that child know you are the mom and you will whoop his sassy little bottom. I dont suggest using your hand as they should be instruments of love care holding kissing BUT a nice little paddle, belt, bolo paddle, paint stirrer, wooden spoon, switch... works wonders. just use it if you threaten it. If the public school can spank your child so can you.
4. Remember that an ADD or ADHD child is normally very bright, they know they are doing wrong and want desperately to stop misbehaving. They often cant force themselves to be good.. So until you have it under control, you want to really praise him when he does good.
5. Remember that once on a medication he wont want to eat. So dont be too hard if he doesnt eat his lunch. Make sure you give him a good big breakfast before he gets his pill. and never give the pill too late or he will be up all night.
My son is in the 5th doing some 6th grade work and should be in the 4th grade. He is a straight A student. Now in private school (a pace program) as the learning is better for him and his ADHD I found with a pace program he can work at his minds pace. The public school wanted to put him in special classes when all he really needed was to be challanged.
rebecarooni
04-18-2002, 10:14 AM
Thank you for your post! It's great to hear a bit of a success story. You've raised my spirits for the day!
D@N
04-22-2002, 04:05 AM
Bravo Txs1638 for getting the belt out of the closet.
We had a name for a.d.d. when I was a kid. It was called hyperactivity.
If everyone on this board with a problem child will follow my advice for ONE month without fail, I can save you alot of money, alot of grief, and put your psychologist out of business.
The root problem in most cases of a.d.d. or hyperactivity is DIET. I can firmly state this because I was a child diagnosed in 1976 as hyperactive. If I had grown up in the 90's I would have been diagnosed with A.D.D. and put on Ritalin (kiddie dope) and given a death sentence. I can remember how I felt. I could not change no matter how hard I tried. I knew how much I was hurting my mother (lived with her...divorced family) I just could not stop my behaviour. She noticed that on some days, I as a good boy. I noticed those days too but we never put 2 and 2 together until she saw Doctor R. Feingold on a talk show talking about hyperactive kids. This was back in 76....and such a thing was a rare topic because most kids with hyperactivty were paddled in school, and whipped at home so it was controlled out of fear to a point.
After researching Feingold's material, I was put on a NO SUGAR, No artifical flavor, no artificial color diet. Mom read the ingriedents on every thing she bought to ensure there was nothing artifical. After she detoxed my blood of all that garbage that my body was reacting to, I began to gain control of my own behavior. As I grew into an adult, I found that I had a problem digesting sugar. So what most of you parents have on your hands are borderline diabetics in the making. That awkward behavior is his the reaction from his body's inability to break down sugar properly. At a young age, it manifests itself in bratty behavior and superhuman endurance. When they are adults that same jet fuel will backfire and do the opposite. If I eat a doughnut today, I ruin my entire day due to the resulting downer effect. I want to nap all day and I am (still) very grouchy during this side effect.
Save the money on the doctors and spend it on more expensive groceries and spend more time shopping for those groceries. The kid is worth it.
They say that you always pay for your childhood when you have a kid because your kid will pay you back for everything you did when you were a kid....and today I have a 7 year old son, who is JUST like his dad. Although it took me some time to realise I had a clone in the family. He always acted fine at home because if he didnt I spank. I don't waste time on Time-outs because they never worked for me. So he acted great at home. When he got to school, juiced up on FROSTED Flakes, or SUPER SUGAR Crisp cereal or FROSTED mini-wheats, he turned into Mr. Hyde. Talking out of turn, always wanting to be the center of attention, couldnt sit still, always bouncing around at inopportune times.
After my mother (his granny) pointed out the resemblance to my problem, I got on track and put him on my old diet. Within the first few days, he was sitting still, paying attention, and began to enjoy his time at recess instead of spending it in detention. The old Feingold Diet of '76 worked on my 21st century child.
In order for this to work, you are going to have to change yourselves before you can change your child. This business of "time-outs" and taking away stuff that the child knows will be given back does not work.
You are going to have to tan a few behinds because the child is going to naturally rebel at this new diet, and challenge you on it. Get stern, do not falter and make sure the child knows that there is no option to this. YOU are the parent, and they will eat what you give them. If they lash out....and they will, lash back, in a way they will never forget. Spanking a child is never easy. I hate it and I dont spank hard. I havent spanked my kids in 3 years because they REMEMBER what a spanking feels like and do not wish to have another.
Get control of you kids back...take control. Control their diet, and trade that time-out for an eye opening spanking. If you do the diet correctly, the spankings will not be needed. If you do the spankings correctly, you need only do it enough a few times. A good spanking paired with some cooling off time, and a hug a few hours later, will go much further as long as the child understands that the hugs will be returned and so will the spanking, if it warrants.
When they had the paddle resting on the chalkboard at school, there was no such thing as school shootings. Such a thing was absurd and nothing more than Steven King Fiction. When they had the paddle in school, the parents got to deal with the hyperactive child (no-one wanted to be paddled by the golf coach...ouch!) because the child knew that their behavior would not be tolerated in school, so they did it at home. When the behavior got home, my mother did something about it. Today, kids just lose their video games.
If their diet is fixed, they will be in more control over their actions, they will spend more time talking to you and less time playing video games because their mind will be in a better position to accept information from you, instead of the opposite, which is them always wanting YOU to take information from them.
Also, be on the look out for anything you buy from the grocer containing CANOLA oil. Children/Adults affected with the symptoms of hyperactivity or A.D.D. are also usually allergic to canola oil and its no wonder. Most people believe that Canola oil comes from a canola tree. There is no such thing. Canola oil is named after Canadian Oil, a product Canadians use to lubricate machinery, but also happens to be a cheap edible way to fry your food. A child allergic to Canola oil will be a brat, an adult allergic to it will turn beet red at the face within a few hours of ingesting it, and feel like doggie doo for the rest of the day.
I am sharing this info because I hope that someone can benefit from years of my being a total brat, and years of my mother trying to deal with it and finding a solution that is not known today because there are too many psychologists and doctors making big bucks off of writing prescriptions that do further damage to your child. I don't think all doctors are evil, I just think that their training these days, relies more on medicene than prevention.
Do not let any doctor or psychologist put your child on ANYTHING until you rid your childs diet of artificial flavors, colors, preservatives, and loads of sugar.
By now, you must be saying that all of this sounds great but you just don't think you can spank your child.
If you can present this dietary change to your child with out a major rebellion, there is no need to spank. In my case, I rebelled, and I got my bottom roasted for a major wake up call. I knew my mother ment buisness, I knew she was fed up, I knew that times were changing, and I knew there was a new general in town, and it was her. I did what she told me to do, and within 2 days, after feeling the results of her efforts, she didnt have to give me any further attitude adjustments....the diet had done it for her.
As a result, I finally got a desk that was not positioned two feet from the teacher, I stopped getting paddled in school, I could finally read from my text book and COMPREHEND what I had just read, and I could sit still long enough to realize that my mother maybe, just MAYBE, was a little smarter than I was. 10 minutes in the corner of my bedroom would have been easier for her to sentence me to.....but the hard way kept me from being diabetic today.
Goodluck...and keep your kids drug/sugar free!
D@N
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[This message has been edited by moderator2 (edited 04-22-2002).]
We had a name for a.d.d. when I was a kid. It was called hyperactivity.
If everyone on this board with a problem child will follow my advice for ONE month without fail, I can save you alot of money, alot of grief, and put your psychologist out of business.
The root problem in most cases of a.d.d. or hyperactivity is DIET. I can firmly state this because I was a child diagnosed in 1976 as hyperactive. If I had grown up in the 90's I would have been diagnosed with A.D.D. and put on Ritalin (kiddie dope) and given a death sentence. I can remember how I felt. I could not change no matter how hard I tried. I knew how much I was hurting my mother (lived with her...divorced family) I just could not stop my behaviour. She noticed that on some days, I as a good boy. I noticed those days too but we never put 2 and 2 together until she saw Doctor R. Feingold on a talk show talking about hyperactive kids. This was back in 76....and such a thing was a rare topic because most kids with hyperactivty were paddled in school, and whipped at home so it was controlled out of fear to a point.
After researching Feingold's material, I was put on a NO SUGAR, No artifical flavor, no artificial color diet. Mom read the ingriedents on every thing she bought to ensure there was nothing artifical. After she detoxed my blood of all that garbage that my body was reacting to, I began to gain control of my own behavior. As I grew into an adult, I found that I had a problem digesting sugar. So what most of you parents have on your hands are borderline diabetics in the making. That awkward behavior is his the reaction from his body's inability to break down sugar properly. At a young age, it manifests itself in bratty behavior and superhuman endurance. When they are adults that same jet fuel will backfire and do the opposite. If I eat a doughnut today, I ruin my entire day due to the resulting downer effect. I want to nap all day and I am (still) very grouchy during this side effect.
Save the money on the doctors and spend it on more expensive groceries and spend more time shopping for those groceries. The kid is worth it.
They say that you always pay for your childhood when you have a kid because your kid will pay you back for everything you did when you were a kid....and today I have a 7 year old son, who is JUST like his dad. Although it took me some time to realise I had a clone in the family. He always acted fine at home because if he didnt I spank. I don't waste time on Time-outs because they never worked for me. So he acted great at home. When he got to school, juiced up on FROSTED Flakes, or SUPER SUGAR Crisp cereal or FROSTED mini-wheats, he turned into Mr. Hyde. Talking out of turn, always wanting to be the center of attention, couldnt sit still, always bouncing around at inopportune times.
After my mother (his granny) pointed out the resemblance to my problem, I got on track and put him on my old diet. Within the first few days, he was sitting still, paying attention, and began to enjoy his time at recess instead of spending it in detention. The old Feingold Diet of '76 worked on my 21st century child.
In order for this to work, you are going to have to change yourselves before you can change your child. This business of "time-outs" and taking away stuff that the child knows will be given back does not work.
You are going to have to tan a few behinds because the child is going to naturally rebel at this new diet, and challenge you on it. Get stern, do not falter and make sure the child knows that there is no option to this. YOU are the parent, and they will eat what you give them. If they lash out....and they will, lash back, in a way they will never forget. Spanking a child is never easy. I hate it and I dont spank hard. I havent spanked my kids in 3 years because they REMEMBER what a spanking feels like and do not wish to have another.
Get control of you kids back...take control. Control their diet, and trade that time-out for an eye opening spanking. If you do the diet correctly, the spankings will not be needed. If you do the spankings correctly, you need only do it enough a few times. A good spanking paired with some cooling off time, and a hug a few hours later, will go much further as long as the child understands that the hugs will be returned and so will the spanking, if it warrants.
When they had the paddle resting on the chalkboard at school, there was no such thing as school shootings. Such a thing was absurd and nothing more than Steven King Fiction. When they had the paddle in school, the parents got to deal with the hyperactive child (no-one wanted to be paddled by the golf coach...ouch!) because the child knew that their behavior would not be tolerated in school, so they did it at home. When the behavior got home, my mother did something about it. Today, kids just lose their video games.
If their diet is fixed, they will be in more control over their actions, they will spend more time talking to you and less time playing video games because their mind will be in a better position to accept information from you, instead of the opposite, which is them always wanting YOU to take information from them.
Also, be on the look out for anything you buy from the grocer containing CANOLA oil. Children/Adults affected with the symptoms of hyperactivity or A.D.D. are also usually allergic to canola oil and its no wonder. Most people believe that Canola oil comes from a canola tree. There is no such thing. Canola oil is named after Canadian Oil, a product Canadians use to lubricate machinery, but also happens to be a cheap edible way to fry your food. A child allergic to Canola oil will be a brat, an adult allergic to it will turn beet red at the face within a few hours of ingesting it, and feel like doggie doo for the rest of the day.
I am sharing this info because I hope that someone can benefit from years of my being a total brat, and years of my mother trying to deal with it and finding a solution that is not known today because there are too many psychologists and doctors making big bucks off of writing prescriptions that do further damage to your child. I don't think all doctors are evil, I just think that their training these days, relies more on medicene than prevention.
Do not let any doctor or psychologist put your child on ANYTHING until you rid your childs diet of artificial flavors, colors, preservatives, and loads of sugar.
By now, you must be saying that all of this sounds great but you just don't think you can spank your child.
If you can present this dietary change to your child with out a major rebellion, there is no need to spank. In my case, I rebelled, and I got my bottom roasted for a major wake up call. I knew my mother ment buisness, I knew she was fed up, I knew that times were changing, and I knew there was a new general in town, and it was her. I did what she told me to do, and within 2 days, after feeling the results of her efforts, she didnt have to give me any further attitude adjustments....the diet had done it for her.
As a result, I finally got a desk that was not positioned two feet from the teacher, I stopped getting paddled in school, I could finally read from my text book and COMPREHEND what I had just read, and I could sit still long enough to realize that my mother maybe, just MAYBE, was a little smarter than I was. 10 minutes in the corner of my bedroom would have been easier for her to sentence me to.....but the hard way kept me from being diabetic today.
Goodluck...and keep your kids drug/sugar free!
D@N
[...as per board guidelines messages may not offer personal contact information. Please do not post your email address. Thank you. mod2]
[This message has been edited by moderator2 (edited 04-22-2002).]
mandy
05-01-2002, 03:13 PM
I can't agree with you more--diet is sooooo important. My son is 12 and he is Jeckel and Hyde depending on what he eats, but we have successfully handled his ADHD issues without meds just by changing his diet. He is in 6th grade now and a solid B+ student.
sams mum
05-10-2002, 01:15 PM
I know how you feel mandy my son is 10 years old and he has adhd,he sees a child & adolescent pshychiatrist,yes he's on tablets but still thats only half the work done to combat his behaviour we have to do a weekly plan,fill out a chart for each day if he's good...blank for being bad,if he gets a full week then reward him,it doesnt have to be expensive just a little treat.My son did really well on this now hes on another plan to combat other things.I hope this helps you to,good luck.
dex77
05-14-2002, 01:34 PM
I am a adult who has had ADD Since I was about the age of these kids also I know that there are alot of children that are miss diagnosed with the dissease who are just hyperacitve. I compleatly agree with spanking a child, but only in the right situation, the worst part about getting my butt paddled was waiting I hated that and usually would not do what ever it was that caused me to get in trouble again. Most of the time Drugs are not the answer but they did Help me and I am grateful for that. My parents spent alot of time with me and any child who is hyperactive or has ADD needs that it just takes alot of patience. I finally learned how to control my attention. I DO NOT recomend for any child to see a counsler/ PSYCOlogist.
help
05-14-2002, 10:13 PM
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sams mum
05-15-2002, 09:59 AM
I disagree with you dex the only way my son was diagnosed with adhd was through seeing these people.We had tried everything from his diet through to spanking him,none of these worked.It doesnt mean that we are bad parents,we just needed more help with our son.Taking tablets has helped my son who was failing so badly in school..not having any friends...feeling lonely...as if the world was against him,even though my husband & myself are with him all the time.I think that us parents cope very well with children like this & i hope that others feel this way to.
mineman
05-15-2002, 11:50 AM
My step son is ADD and was horrible till he turned 7, now 10. He would burn things, break things... he disrupted his class so bad the teacher had to move his desk next to hers. That didn't last long because he talked to her! He stole from the other students and from the teachers desk, things on it and in it! When he didn't want to do homework he would throw his bookbag out the buss window, we spent many days hunting it down. Camping one weekend he spent the morning stealing peoples clothes and hiding them while they where in the public shower, almost got my butt beat for that one, some mad campers!
We punished him, time outs, no allowance, no TV or games... The doctors kept raising his meds until he was taking adult doses and no help. My wife was ready to have a breakdown, she sent him to stay with a good friend for awhile so she could calm down. The day after we dropped him off (3 hours away) we got a call, he piled shoes, VHS tapes, clothes and anything else he could find into a pile and lit it on fire at 1:00 in the morning. Soooo, back he came.
...to be continued....
We punished him, time outs, no allowance, no TV or games... The doctors kept raising his meds until he was taking adult doses and no help. My wife was ready to have a breakdown, she sent him to stay with a good friend for awhile so she could calm down. The day after we dropped him off (3 hours away) we got a call, he piled shoes, VHS tapes, clothes and anything else he could find into a pile and lit it on fire at 1:00 in the morning. Soooo, back he came.
...to be continued....
mskris
05-15-2002, 04:05 PM
I'm new here to this board, but I may have some insight. I work in the pharmaceutical industry and have been doing research on adhd and its comorbidities. In addition, my ds is 7 and was diagnosed last Oct. with add. We moved in Sept and it really threw him - for the first time I recognized hyperactive behavior, whereas previously, he was more inattentive-type add. High IQ, gifted artistically, but defiant, quick-tempered, inattentive, forgetful, etc.
I disagree with spanking. I've tried it out of desperation, and actually, some adhd kids can respond very negatively (aggressively or violently) to it and seem almost o.d.d (oppositional defiance disorder). Read the ADHD Parenting Handbook for ideas to organize and structure kids' activity. BTW, I was spanked once as a child, slapped once as a teenager.
I'm currently reading Dr. Mel Levine's newest book, A Mind At A Time. Very interesting and revealing. He doesn't accept labels like adhd or dyslexia. He is the leading expert in child learning. The book explains that certain learning dysfunctions (and nobody has perfect learning functions) can cause or mimic adhd behaviors. Attention is only part of it; memory is involved too. There are different types of attention and learning, as well. The book is easy reading, but fascinating.
I'm also exploring relationships among allergies, sleep disturbances, and adhd. IMHO, it's all related! Some leading clinicians agree.
While diet and discipline techniques can help, I don't think any one thing is the answer. My ds is taking a low dose of generic ritalin only once a day. It helps, especially at school (I can tell for sure when it's wearing off), but it isn't the only solution. He still exhibits behavior like you described.
I'm currently reading 1-2-3-Magic! I think the real issue regarding discipline is to FOLLOW THROUGH. No matter what method you use, say what you mean and mean what you say, and DO IT! If you take away privileges, don't give them back (sometimes I give ds an opportunity to EARN them back). Reward the good behavior (praise, praise, and more praise), punish (time-out, loss of privileges, etc.) the poor and stick to it. This works great for my ds lately. Remember that you may have to change techniques occasionally (a lot of adhd books recommend charting/rewarding). Finally, I was raised on the "talk" method and have been using it to no avail. My main problem was that I didn't stop talking! 1-2-3 magic emphasizes this - state it and then follow-through, don't lecture (I'm so guilty of this!).
Good luck and keep us posted.
Kris
I disagree with spanking. I've tried it out of desperation, and actually, some adhd kids can respond very negatively (aggressively or violently) to it and seem almost o.d.d (oppositional defiance disorder). Read the ADHD Parenting Handbook for ideas to organize and structure kids' activity. BTW, I was spanked once as a child, slapped once as a teenager.
I'm currently reading Dr. Mel Levine's newest book, A Mind At A Time. Very interesting and revealing. He doesn't accept labels like adhd or dyslexia. He is the leading expert in child learning. The book explains that certain learning dysfunctions (and nobody has perfect learning functions) can cause or mimic adhd behaviors. Attention is only part of it; memory is involved too. There are different types of attention and learning, as well. The book is easy reading, but fascinating.
I'm also exploring relationships among allergies, sleep disturbances, and adhd. IMHO, it's all related! Some leading clinicians agree.
While diet and discipline techniques can help, I don't think any one thing is the answer. My ds is taking a low dose of generic ritalin only once a day. It helps, especially at school (I can tell for sure when it's wearing off), but it isn't the only solution. He still exhibits behavior like you described.
I'm currently reading 1-2-3-Magic! I think the real issue regarding discipline is to FOLLOW THROUGH. No matter what method you use, say what you mean and mean what you say, and DO IT! If you take away privileges, don't give them back (sometimes I give ds an opportunity to EARN them back). Reward the good behavior (praise, praise, and more praise), punish (time-out, loss of privileges, etc.) the poor and stick to it. This works great for my ds lately. Remember that you may have to change techniques occasionally (a lot of adhd books recommend charting/rewarding). Finally, I was raised on the "talk" method and have been using it to no avail. My main problem was that I didn't stop talking! 1-2-3 magic emphasizes this - state it and then follow-through, don't lecture (I'm so guilty of this!).
Good luck and keep us posted.
Kris
junelaura
05-15-2002, 06:28 PM
As a former teacher, I am familiar with ADD children and how impulsive they can be. You will see there arae positives to ADD.
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