maildawn
01-10-2003, 10:29 AM
I'm sorry and I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings or upset anyone. But, WHY do some of you equate a "GOOD doctor" and/or pain relief with getting narcotics/pain meds ONLY? Why are you unwilling to try the other things the doctor suggests? Can you not see that THAT is what makes you look like you are a drug seeker? Not being "ugly", just stating what it looks like to an outsider - and your doctor IS an outsider too...
Take care and I do hope you find some form of relief soon.
Take care and I do hope you find some form of relief soon.
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NugIsHere
01-11-2003, 10:10 PM
I think we say its a good doctor if we get pain meds, because most drs are cold hearted and uncaring, and why should they care? theyre not the ones going through it..
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Irish Cream
01-12-2003, 04:24 PM
I've tried biofeedback. I've tried nerve blocks. I've been on different anti inflamitories( ok so I can't spell). I wear braces on my hands. I've tried to imagine the pain away. I've tried to ignore it. I'm on 4 different antidepressants. I use a tens unit. I've tried ultrasound. I've tried massage. I've tried different vitamin and minerals. I yelled at my hands. I've cried because of my hands. Anything I missed I probably have done it over the past two years with this. Pain clinic has pretty much decided that all they've got left for me are pills.
kim32
01-12-2003, 11:49 PM
I have tried many things also with no relief: reglan, carafate, nexium, prevacid, anti-anxiety/depressants, etc.. and nothing has helped me with the pain, I have even tried not to think about it by trying to keep myself busy. The gastro doctor is having me go to a physical medicine and rehabiliation place, but the earliest that i can get in is Feb. 17th! :-( but the lady on the phone was really nice and said that she knows that i can't wait to get help until then because of my pain so she said that she will put my name on the top of the list and if there's a cancellation then she will give me a call, plus she even gave me her name and a number to call her if i just want to talk. she told me that they try to do tests to figure out what's the cause of my pain (well my gastro doc and primary doc has done all of the tests there is already but maybe this place will do something that these other 2 doc's haven't done) then she said that they give out pain med's and even do surgery, so that gives me hope that there just not there to "talk". Irish Cream: how do they do the nerve blocks? I am thinking about doing that instead of taking pills. Kim
Irish Cream
01-13-2003, 01:07 AM
Kim they use medication and go in through your back. You are lightly sedated for this. They try to interupt the pain messages as they come back to your spinal column. You lay on your stomach and they put a needle in your back. Look on the web for sympathetic nerve blocks. Last one I had lasted 10 hours but damn what a great 10 hours at least for one hand.
kim32
01-13-2003, 08:12 PM
Ok thanks Irish Cream i will look it up.
Oh i saw on the internet about a nerve block or something that lasted for 18 months, and shoot i forgot the name of it and the website on where i found it at. Have you heard of anything like this before? man 18 months of being pain free i sure like the sound of that! Even 10 hours (like you had) i could do also! :-) Kim
Oh i saw on the internet about a nerve block or something that lasted for 18 months, and shoot i forgot the name of it and the website on where i found it at. Have you heard of anything like this before? man 18 months of being pain free i sure like the sound of that! Even 10 hours (like you had) i could do also! :-) Kim
jane2
01-13-2003, 11:04 PM
I know I spent years trying things till we hit a dead end. They did treat my pain with drugs, while we tried those things. Some helped and other stuff didn't all was worth trying. My medication was erratic at that time.
I didn't concentrate on getting the pain really under control and finding someone to go high enough, till I hit brick wall after brick wall. I will admit it was a big relief when I did, cause I am facing a life of pain. I was pretty desperate and suicidal, even though I had some medication. I also wanted my disability documented. I don't mean benefits. I wanted someone to say this is happening, even if we don't have a full diagnosis.
I am still looking for answers with that doctor. Now when I go to try something alternative with a specialist, it is not confused with my medication. I don't have to have that fight with them. I can say, my GP is treating my pain, I am coming to you for answers. If they can reduce the pain or get rid of it I will get off the drugs or reduce them.
My point is that many aren't getting cures or have been like this for years. We have tried PT, accupuncture, trigger shots, biofeedback, yoga, magnesium and only got so far.
While doing that stuff you have to treat the pain too. That is what I was told. They could work worth with me, unless the pain was under some control. It isn't about just drugs. They are one tool that only treat the symptoms. Sometimes that is all you get.
Sometimes it takes years to try all that stuff, what do you do about the pain in the meantime? It is harder to get pain treated than to find somebody to give you biofeedback or PT. That is a fact.
Seems some think there is too much emphasis on drugs here. I have been away for a while. Perhaps that is true. I think it is important to try other things. Botox helped me, for example.
I didn't concentrate on getting the pain really under control and finding someone to go high enough, till I hit brick wall after brick wall. I will admit it was a big relief when I did, cause I am facing a life of pain. I was pretty desperate and suicidal, even though I had some medication. I also wanted my disability documented. I don't mean benefits. I wanted someone to say this is happening, even if we don't have a full diagnosis.
I am still looking for answers with that doctor. Now when I go to try something alternative with a specialist, it is not confused with my medication. I don't have to have that fight with them. I can say, my GP is treating my pain, I am coming to you for answers. If they can reduce the pain or get rid of it I will get off the drugs or reduce them.
My point is that many aren't getting cures or have been like this for years. We have tried PT, accupuncture, trigger shots, biofeedback, yoga, magnesium and only got so far.
While doing that stuff you have to treat the pain too. That is what I was told. They could work worth with me, unless the pain was under some control. It isn't about just drugs. They are one tool that only treat the symptoms. Sometimes that is all you get.
Sometimes it takes years to try all that stuff, what do you do about the pain in the meantime? It is harder to get pain treated than to find somebody to give you biofeedback or PT. That is a fact.
Seems some think there is too much emphasis on drugs here. I have been away for a while. Perhaps that is true. I think it is important to try other things. Botox helped me, for example.
Irish Cream
01-14-2003, 03:43 AM
Man 18 months!!!!! I don't know if my Work Comp would cover a procedure like that. But if you remember what it was called,etc put it up here. Right now Work Comp putting me through hoops. Getting crazy around here with them.
maildawn
01-14-2003, 07:53 AM
I realize that many HAVE tried the many other modalities their doctors have recommended. But some seem to insist on the "feel good" narcotics first (and only). I've suffered over 12 years myself and have had eight surgeries - seven of which were unnecessary. It has only been the last three years that I have had a Pain Management Physician take over my case and treat me with various medications, including opiates. It just seems to me that there are quite a few that want to jump right for the narcotics. There was even one person that stated they weren't happy with Oxycontin because it only took the edge off the pain! Excuse me, but what else is it supposed to do? These medications are NOT supposed to be used to make one "feel good" they are supposed to be used to (atleast) take the edge off of the pain so that we might try to recover some semblance of our former lives. Many of us get defensive when we hear the kind of "talk" that has been going on here lately because we were near suicidal at one point. Individuals that take advantage of these medications and/or take them for reasons other than to alleviate SEVERE pain and regain some function, put those of us that need this medicine to survive in jeopardy. That's all I was getting at....
Neckbone
01-15-2003, 05:54 PM
Feel good meds?
For the last 8 months I have been taking 240mg of Oxycotin and 20mg of Oxycodone every day and I feel absoultly NO euphoria at all. I have tried everything from PT, spinal injections, Tenz, bio-feedback, acupunture, auqua therapy,chiropractors, deep muscle massage, etc.
I have had 5 major injuries to my neck and 2 operations. I recovered from everyone of these injuries and surgeries very well except my last. Instead of taking those "evil feel good" pain meds my Nurosurgeon insisted I do home traction. I followed his advise on January 29th, 2002 and my life has been TOTALLY turned upside down. I was temporally paralized below the neck and when I regained use of my body a few minutes latter the pain was so intense it through me into shock. I have been an athelete all of my life, used to be a mountian climber, and now a shopping trip to the grocery store kicks my butt. I just turned 40.
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Multiple Cervical Injuries
Degenerative Disk Disease
C5-C6 Disc Herniated
C6-C7 Fusion (failed)
C6-C7 Reconstructive Surgery (Titanium & Pelvic Bone - Failed)
Unable to recover from "traction" injury
For the last 8 months I have been taking 240mg of Oxycotin and 20mg of Oxycodone every day and I feel absoultly NO euphoria at all. I have tried everything from PT, spinal injections, Tenz, bio-feedback, acupunture, auqua therapy,chiropractors, deep muscle massage, etc.
I have had 5 major injuries to my neck and 2 operations. I recovered from everyone of these injuries and surgeries very well except my last. Instead of taking those "evil feel good" pain meds my Nurosurgeon insisted I do home traction. I followed his advise on January 29th, 2002 and my life has been TOTALLY turned upside down. I was temporally paralized below the neck and when I regained use of my body a few minutes latter the pain was so intense it through me into shock. I have been an athelete all of my life, used to be a mountian climber, and now a shopping trip to the grocery store kicks my butt. I just turned 40.
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Multiple Cervical Injuries
Degenerative Disk Disease
C5-C6 Disc Herniated
C6-C7 Fusion (failed)
C6-C7 Reconstructive Surgery (Titanium & Pelvic Bone - Failed)
Unable to recover from "traction" injury
mimi929
01-15-2003, 10:32 PM
Maildawn -- Have you ever given birth? If so, did you do it with pain meds? I'm not a doc, but I am a medical social worker who has also been in two bad car accidents and two back surgeries. The last car accident left a chunk of bone in my spinal cord. It was low enough that I was not paralized; however, it produced pain worse than the worst labor I ever had. I have 3 children and all were born med free. So many people have horrible pain that ruins their lives. Doctors help me with my pain, but many of my patients who are not in the same educational or social economic group that I am in just simply get ignored and looked at as "drug seekers." They are not for the most part. They would much rather be out making a living rather than living in pain. Most alternative medical practices are not covered by medicare -- what planet are you from -- some where without a heart. Try a little research in peer reviewed scholarly journals. If a person is in pain, pain medication goes to a different part of the brain than it does for recreational users.
Autumn Angel
01-16-2003, 12:12 AM
Why are you even explaining all this? Is it anyones business or right to talk about what or why others use pain meds? I was on NSAIDS for 9 of the 12 years I have had TMJD. They destroyed my stomach and sure didnt give me much relief. It wasnt untill my uterine probs I was put on narcotics by my obgyn and discovered they helped my TMJD headaches as well. So after my hysterectomy in May my GP kept me on the narcotics for my TMJD. He was worried about the tylenol part of the drug so he put me on oxycontin. My surgery is coming up soon and hopefully that will work and take tylenol and get relief. And someone complaining that oxycontin only takes the edge off whats wrong with that?? Should we not want hope and expect total relief? Some thing some of us can only dream of that doesnt mean people wanna get high. And a good doc is a sympathetic doc that doesnt try and use a band aid for a cut jugular vein. He treats the patient not just thier pain and his goal should be complete relief for the patient or as close to it as he can get.
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Cheers...Autumn
Female...42
TMJD for 12 years
Carpal Tunnel syndrome
Anxiety/Panic Attacks (cured now I think)
Teen daughters that have had medical problems and I will help and over advice on what areas I am knowledgable in.
Hysterectomy in 2002 due to endometrial bleeding.
Hernia repair in 98.
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Cheers...Autumn
Female...42
TMJD for 12 years
Carpal Tunnel syndrome
Anxiety/Panic Attacks (cured now I think)
Teen daughters that have had medical problems and I will help and over advice on what areas I am knowledgable in.
Hysterectomy in 2002 due to endometrial bleeding.
Hernia repair in 98.
JerseyGuy
01-16-2003, 06:13 PM
Hello. I have recently been posting in the TMJ portion of this site. While surfing around in other categories, I came upon the pain meds section. I just wanted to say that I have had severe TMJ issues for 6 years. There were many times when I wanted to blow my head off. A few years back, I went to my general MD asnd said I was desperate because of the pain. I was in the process of waiting for an appointment with another so-called TMJ specialist which was 6 weeks away. The doc prescribed generic vicodin. I'll tell you, that night was the first night I had some sort of relief in 3 years. Before all the TMJ started, I had never taken a pain med in my life, no advil, no tylenol, nothing. After the onset of TMJ problems, I lived on advil to the point where it did not help. It barely helped even when i first started taking it. I used up the bottle of 20 over the next few months, I treated them like gold. I never abused them. recently my TMJ symptoms have come back worse than ever. I have only slept a total of about 6 hours in the last three nights. I of course have scheduled an appointment with the specialist again, but he cannot see me until mid february. I went to my general doc and explained situation, however this time he refused my request for some sort of pain killer. I guess times have changed. I'm not sure waht I'm going o do for the next 4 weeks, I guess I'll survive. I wish all good luck and good days.
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maildawn
01-16-2003, 08:03 PM
You missed the point totally! I wasn't posing the question to those that have been suffering for years!! I was asking those that are just beginning to have pain and want right off the bat to go for the hard narcotics! Why not stop being so defensive! No one was attacking you.
Autumn Angel
01-17-2003, 02:23 PM
Yes Maildawn I realise this and I dont't really care because being attacked and being acussed of seeking narcotics is a way of life unfortunatly for some people. They automaticly think pain suffers are after the "High" and not pain relief. Most people I have read about here have exhausted every avenue before turning to narcotics as thier pain worsens. Like the poster after mine he says he was refused pain medication and to me thats NOT a good doc at all. Whats he supposed to do for relief? And if he does to the Er for emergancy pain relief he gets labelled a drug seeker and questioned when thats not the case at all. I realise some "bad apples" have made a stereotype for legit pain patients. I guess I get a bit defensive because I have been there. You run out of your script at the proper time that happens to be on a Saturday and you go to the Er for relief for the weekend till you can see your doc Monday and the Er doc comes out and says "I dont know you how do I know your not going to sell them on the streets?" Helloooo I have my empty bottle with me with the date on it and I still get questioned about whether I want the pills to sell? I am sorry Maildawn if I came off angery but for some of us it just gets too repetative being "labelled" all the time. I for one used every sort of non narcotic drug going before getting narcotics. And I think why some go straight for the narcotics is they associate the word "narcotic with "strength and relief" instead of taking a chance on something weaker not working. I am happy with my Meds for now but as our bodies become more tolerant to our meds the original dose doesnt work as good anymore. I am just relieved that my arthroscopy is soon and hopefully will end my need for narcotics. I know thats a big wish but it happens doesnt it? Wishing you a painfree day.
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Cheers...Autumn
Female...42
TMJD for 12 years
Carpal Tunnel syndrome
Anxiety/Panic Attacks (cured now I think)
Teen daughters that have had medical problems and I will help and over advice on what areas I am knowledgable in.
Hysterectomy in 2002 due to endometrial bleeding.
Hernia repair in 98.
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Cheers...Autumn
Female...42
TMJD for 12 years
Carpal Tunnel syndrome
Anxiety/Panic Attacks (cured now I think)
Teen daughters that have had medical problems and I will help and over advice on what areas I am knowledgable in.
Hysterectomy in 2002 due to endometrial bleeding.
Hernia repair in 98.
fibrosucks
01-20-2003, 09:14 PM
I am new here, but this is a very interesting topic. I have fibro, ankylosing spondylitis and TMD. I get barely any narcotics on a regular basis. I don't know what the big deal is about these medications! I am a healthcare worker and everyday I see docs and nurses discussing chronic pain patients in the worst terms. They seem to think we made up fibro as an excuse to get drugs. My family found out that I am taking Vicoden for my pain and now I am the family junkie. My ex-husband is trying to use this against me in a custody battle. What is the big deal? Addiction? Tolerance? or is it just that we are always told they are "bad" by the media, and polititians and the general medical establishment. Just because some addicts abuse Oxycontin, we are all made to suffer. The news "specials" on this "oxy problems" don't help. I don't think that my doctor would even try me on anything like that just because of its bad press. And by the way, I think that addicts are created by undertreating pain. I have never heard of someone who gets adequate Pain meds forging prescriptions or diverting meds. It is those made to suffer who have to doctor shop, or go to the ER, or spend hundred buying pills on-line. This whole subject makes me mad, that anyone has the right to judge us. There is nothing wrong with trying to acheive pain releif. Anyways, I can always detox myself from the narcotics. Its not nearly as easy to find relief from this pain. (and yes I have detoxed before)
maildawn
01-21-2003, 07:42 AM
Hi fibro...you are SO RIGHT on all of your points! Unfortunately because there are some that abuse our category of meds (i.e., crushing and snorting, "doctor shopping" so that they have more to sell, etc.) they've destroyed the lives of those of us in pain. There are so many points, we couldn't even begin to discuss or evaluate them all. I've read Nurses websites (discussion forums) and you wouldn't believe the way they talk about us!
A couple of things you're dead on about - many chronic pain patients ARE FORCED TO DOCTOR SHOP just to obtain relief - this is a FACT! Whose fault is that? UNCOMPASSIONATE/UNEDUCATED DOCTORS!!! There is TOO much data that supports the FACT that we do NOT become addicted to our meds NOR DO WE GET HIGH! There is nothing left of the medicine to produce a high, it is all used by the brain to relieve the pain!! Someone attacked me about a comment where I referred to someone that said that they were unhappy with Oxycontin because all it did was help the pain...I'm sorry but to me it sounded like they were disappointed because they didn't get the high! You can't be unhappy with a med because you don't get high! All you're supposed to be after is pain relief!
I'm sorry this issue makes me mad too! If you read over some of the posts (some of the older ones too), you'll see what I mean...there are an awful lot of people that are putting my very life in jeopardy by using these meds inappropriately! Sorry, it makes me mad. I've fought many years to get pain relief and I have no idea how long it will last...my doctor could move, I could have to move, I'm running out of money, my doctor could be investigated by the DEA, etc., etc. There's just too much that worries me and I have no control over it any of it so I have to fight the worry - that takes energy too. I never asked for a medical condition that was so full of controversy! I never asked to have my life taken away so young! I'm tired of fighting! I'm tired of the "looks"! I'm tired of the "snotty" nurses and their attitudes! I'm tired of suspicious pharmacists! I'm tired of worrying about my meds! Get the picture???
I know I stepped on some toes with this post, but there were an awful lot of people that were just asking the "wrong" kinds of questions and it got me stirred up. I wasn't trying to start someting with CPer's... We have enough fights in our lives...we don't need to fight each other too!
A couple of things you're dead on about - many chronic pain patients ARE FORCED TO DOCTOR SHOP just to obtain relief - this is a FACT! Whose fault is that? UNCOMPASSIONATE/UNEDUCATED DOCTORS!!! There is TOO much data that supports the FACT that we do NOT become addicted to our meds NOR DO WE GET HIGH! There is nothing left of the medicine to produce a high, it is all used by the brain to relieve the pain!! Someone attacked me about a comment where I referred to someone that said that they were unhappy with Oxycontin because all it did was help the pain...I'm sorry but to me it sounded like they were disappointed because they didn't get the high! You can't be unhappy with a med because you don't get high! All you're supposed to be after is pain relief!
I'm sorry this issue makes me mad too! If you read over some of the posts (some of the older ones too), you'll see what I mean...there are an awful lot of people that are putting my very life in jeopardy by using these meds inappropriately! Sorry, it makes me mad. I've fought many years to get pain relief and I have no idea how long it will last...my doctor could move, I could have to move, I'm running out of money, my doctor could be investigated by the DEA, etc., etc. There's just too much that worries me and I have no control over it any of it so I have to fight the worry - that takes energy too. I never asked for a medical condition that was so full of controversy! I never asked to have my life taken away so young! I'm tired of fighting! I'm tired of the "looks"! I'm tired of the "snotty" nurses and their attitudes! I'm tired of suspicious pharmacists! I'm tired of worrying about my meds! Get the picture???
I know I stepped on some toes with this post, but there were an awful lot of people that were just asking the "wrong" kinds of questions and it got me stirred up. I wasn't trying to start someting with CPer's... We have enough fights in our lives...we don't need to fight each other too!
Ken Dubois
01-22-2003, 12:07 AM
A Good Doctor as We see it,Is a Doctor that has looked upon our past records and has seen that we HAVE tried all other approaches and/or suggests these approaches I.E. Nerve Blocks,Alternative Therapies,Medicines,And when He Exhausts all those approaches He/She will use from His/Her arsenal Of Medicines these 'Demon' Narcotics! I was seeing the 'Baddest'-'Best' Doctor that My regional Medical center Had to offer for My ailment's. He aggreed that I needed The "Big Boys" {Oxcycontin-Zadian-Morphine class Medicines] But this Powerfull,Omnipotent, Doctor Did not like writing them and the wonderfull Regional Medical center Did not like their doc's writing them, Due to Paperwork,Answering to the State regulators,This Doctor Knew Of a Few Doctors that would write them and Quickly got me in to see this Doctor,"warning" me I'd have to go through the whole Gambit,I.E previously mentioned therapies,Med's,Nerve blocks Etc. [I wondered why this doctor was not doing so in the first place] This [first] Doctor set me up with the best surgeon in the state for one of my three sugeries? I saw this Doctor he recommended Quickly and went to get the blocks,other treatments,But to No avail Did not relieve Me of My pain's,I was Issued Oxycontin,NOT asking for It,Him Asking me to try It,And After over a two year period I finally Had A Large Relief from My pain,I wanted to do things again,Try and Work,TRY thats the great part It feel's as though your getting your Life Back Because your NOT consumed with How to Beat,Get your Mind Off Pain! Invariably WE Consider these People Good Doctors Because they Listen,They are concerned about Us, Our Well being,Our comfort,They Too are Being watched Heavily By the 'Powers' that be, When they dispense the 'Big Boys' A Good Doctor asks if your getting Med's elsewhere,They Have you sign a Document To that effect also. They're Career's are On the line, All due to a Small percentage of abuser's Out there. That Is the reason WE call them good Doctor's Because they are working for us,A Issue a Large quantity of Doctor's seem to have forgotten,My accolades go out to all those Doctors.,I do so hope that all persons with painfull situations find such Doctors and soon. I hope My ramblings here have given you some insight As to why we Call them Good Doctors,They Care about our Overall Well Being. Enough of my drivel. Respectfully., Ken.
Ken Dubois
01-22-2003, 12:27 AM
An Addendum,Excuse Me Maildawn,I read your first post as all Individuals as Considering Doctors as not a Good Doctor unless they Dispensed Narcotics Right away, Then your second post in this segment states your thought's much clearer,If A Doctor were to dispense the 'Heavy' Med's right off the Bat I would Hope a Flag would go up somewhere which it would on the State's Level Because dispensing Vicodins,Lorcet's are looked upon and regulated almost as heavily as the other 'Harder' Narcotic's And they [Doc's] Are answerable To why they bypassed the Vicodin's etc. So you are correct in thinking if a patient walks in the door asking for Say Oxycontin,Zadian Having Never used Vicodins,Lorcet's As a Doctor a flag should very well go up.My apoligies to you Maildawn. Respectfully Ken.
maildawn
01-23-2003, 02:30 AM
Thanks Ken for the apology...I finally just gave up as I was getting "attacked" for all the wrong reasons. I understand why people get defensive...I've been there myself. It's just that some of them (most of them) were missing the point/intent of my post altogether!
brentskib
02-01-2003, 01:57 AM
Maildawn,
I wholeheartedly agree with everything you've said here. I have even asked these same questions of the board moderators.I asked "why do they allow this type of posting(drug seeking,Dr. shopping) to go on" They basically told me that it's an open forum,Dr referrals and medication information exchange are all OK and all that goes with it.
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Of course,there are a lot of pain sufferers,that need and seek information here that are truely helped.
One lady that was going to have as pain pump put in and asked no questions about pain pills,how much will she need,etc., got more responses than most here that gave me hope that good does go on here.But the obvious drug seeking,using posts go unheeded by the moderators.
It's not worth your time or effort posting here about your concerns.The drug seeking,abuse will continue to go on, regardless of what you or anyone else says or thinks. Unfortunately,you're just preaching to yourself.
Those that really need and seek information for pain problems and management will get help here,
(as will those just looking to get high,higher).
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I wholeheartedly agree with everything you've said here. I have even asked these same questions of the board moderators.I asked "why do they allow this type of posting(drug seeking,Dr. shopping) to go on" They basically told me that it's an open forum,Dr referrals and medication information exchange are all OK and all that goes with it.
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Of course,there are a lot of pain sufferers,that need and seek information here that are truely helped.
One lady that was going to have as pain pump put in and asked no questions about pain pills,how much will she need,etc., got more responses than most here that gave me hope that good does go on here.But the obvious drug seeking,using posts go unheeded by the moderators.
It's not worth your time or effort posting here about your concerns.The drug seeking,abuse will continue to go on, regardless of what you or anyone else says or thinks. Unfortunately,you're just preaching to yourself.
Those that really need and seek information for pain problems and management will get help here,
(as will those just looking to get high,higher).
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vialvia
02-27-2003, 09:10 PM
Hi Autumn,
I just read your post concerning your TMJ problems and was prompted to reply. I have been practicing as a dental hygienist for 20 years and I must tell you to be VERY careful when considering TMJ surgery. A GREATER number of patients get no relief and some even get worse after the surgery. I don't mean to discourage you; quite the contrary, I am ONLY trying to serve you with some free, professional advice. Not only have I been treating patients with TMJ disorder for years,I, too, suffer from TMJD. I have seen several specialists and have sought the advice of my bosses over the years. <I moved from FL to
CA and have worked in several different settings> The best advice I was given was to AVOID surgery at all costs, seek at least three more opinions from reputable dentists NOT affiliated with each other, try having your bite adjusted, new crowns, etc...and perhaps even consider a niteguard to wear while you sleep. TMJ is only a symptom of something ELSE going on whether it be spinal problems, shoulder problems or most often, General Stress! You may even find that seeing a therapist for stress management would do wonders! TMJ surgery is by far not the "treatment in which to place all your hopes" for pain relief and recovery.
I SO hope this hasnt been too harsh or that I havent offended you. I only hope to help shed some light onto the false information concerning the Permanent changes that TMJ surgery brings!
Namaste
I just read your post concerning your TMJ problems and was prompted to reply. I have been practicing as a dental hygienist for 20 years and I must tell you to be VERY careful when considering TMJ surgery. A GREATER number of patients get no relief and some even get worse after the surgery. I don't mean to discourage you; quite the contrary, I am ONLY trying to serve you with some free, professional advice. Not only have I been treating patients with TMJ disorder for years,I, too, suffer from TMJD. I have seen several specialists and have sought the advice of my bosses over the years. <I moved from FL to
CA and have worked in several different settings> The best advice I was given was to AVOID surgery at all costs, seek at least three more opinions from reputable dentists NOT affiliated with each other, try having your bite adjusted, new crowns, etc...and perhaps even consider a niteguard to wear while you sleep. TMJ is only a symptom of something ELSE going on whether it be spinal problems, shoulder problems or most often, General Stress! You may even find that seeing a therapist for stress management would do wonders! TMJ surgery is by far not the "treatment in which to place all your hopes" for pain relief and recovery.
I SO hope this hasnt been too harsh or that I havent offended you. I only hope to help shed some light onto the false information concerning the Permanent changes that TMJ surgery brings!
Namaste
Autumn Angel
02-28-2003, 01:15 AM
Hi ViaVia and thank you so much for your concern. I had an arthroscopy booked for the 19th of Feb and taking the advice of my friends at the TMJD board here I cancelled it and am getting second and third opinions before I let anyone invade my joint. Dont apologise for caring enough to warn someone about something you know alot about it was welcome advice. Take care and thanks again.
Autumn.
Autumn.