btown_sv
07-08-2003, 03:52 PM
this is driving me nuts, but lately i have been having a lot of social anxiety lately, iīd say the last 3-4 months. particularly, uncomfortable in social situations, as i feel i have trouble looking people in the eye. like it makes me really uncomfortable. like my head hurts to the extent. as if iīm being judged or something. i was on zoloft for 2-3 months - didnīt work. then lexapro for another 2-3 months as well and that didnīt work either. i was working in the high tech scene and the hours, the loneliness, and the dissatisfcation, and the economic climate has contributed more to my depression - one which i never really knew that i had , but one that i believe iīve had all my life, or through major portions of my life, in addition to moderate anxiety which i believe has been passed on from my parents. so anyways my question is i am currently traveling for a few months out of the country, as iīve needed a break from it all, and am tapering off my last med - lex, and iīm getting these bouts of social anxiety which is driving me nuts, i feel like iīm going crazy. i feel it is preventing me from relaxing - which is what i really need right now, and it is pushing people away from me, is there any thing that i can take - do to help alleviate this - i donīt have access to my phys/psych as i no longer have health insurance due to getting laid off and now being in another country which makes it a little harder. any ideas?
iīve found that going to the beach
and relaxing and swimming has helped a little bit, but still iīm having social anxiety issues. please help. anyone else been able to relate to this? i feel so alone.
thank you
iīve found that going to the beach
and relaxing and swimming has helped a little bit, but still iīm having social anxiety issues. please help. anyone else been able to relate to this? i feel so alone.
thank you
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hry33
07-08-2003, 05:28 PM
Hi Btown,
an antidepressant is often helpful for social anxiety, lexapro and zoloft are both the same type, there are other types that may work if 1 type doesnt, for example effexor is a different antidepressant.
benzos such as xanax are helpful and best taken only as needed, disolving a tablet under the tongue is fastest
relaxation and reducing stress helps so keep going to the beach and get more exercise, its important to breathe deep and slow when anxious and avoid rapid shallow panting.
problems with eyey contact are common
helpful books on overcoming social anxiety are available
paxil is heavily advertised for SA but its the same type as zoloft.
stay with us
an antidepressant is often helpful for social anxiety, lexapro and zoloft are both the same type, there are other types that may work if 1 type doesnt, for example effexor is a different antidepressant.
benzos such as xanax are helpful and best taken only as needed, disolving a tablet under the tongue is fastest
relaxation and reducing stress helps so keep going to the beach and get more exercise, its important to breathe deep and slow when anxious and avoid rapid shallow panting.
problems with eyey contact are common
helpful books on overcoming social anxiety are available
paxil is heavily advertised for SA but its the same type as zoloft.
stay with us
SmokinJ
07-14-2003, 05:26 AM
hey.. i have social anxiety / depression and one thing that helped me a whole lot was exercising.. believe it or not it'll make you feel more sociable and talkative.. give it a try..plus ive been taking lexapro 10mg.. might move up to 20.
hry33
07-14-2003, 05:37 PM
exercising is very good for reducing anxiety and stress, long walks are very relaxing, doing the housework or cleaning is also relaxing
btown_sv
07-19-2003, 08:32 AM
thanks for your all your replies and support. iīm still traveling and still finding that i am having social anxiety, such that is affecting relationships with people. i am aware i have this anxiety issue and i can see people kind of noticing that iīm kinda flaking out a bit and they are maintaining their distance. it sucks. i hate it... so bummed. i still have trouble maintaining eye contact with people or it is really uncomfortable at times to maintain contact. this is not because i am bad or am trying to lie or anything, for some reason my head just hurts, and then i donīt want them to see how wasted my eyes look, how vulnerable and lost my eyes look. donīt get me wrong i donīt take drugs or do anything of that sort. i mean i have tried so hard in my life for stuff that iīve wanted school, work, everything, i donīt know how long i have to suffer... this is really hurting. i was supposed to take a break from everything and even though i am at a nice beach town right now, i still have this issue. i have been running every day or so for nearly 40 minutes. i have even been swimming out in the ocean and learning new watersports. i mean when i finish these activities i do feel relaxed, my body does, but my eyes and my head just feel zoned out. itīs seriously driving me crazy. i met this really sweet girl over here and would love to see her and start something up but because of these anxieties i donīt want to lose it around here. oh my god she is such a gem too. i feel like iīm pushing people and possible relationships away that i think would be very good for me, things that i need because of this crap. iīm thinking maybe i need to get back on lexapro or something. as i had tapered off it since the psych said it looked like it wasnīt working for me as i incremented up to 20. maybe the lex wasnīt working for me earlier because i was working and still under stress. now i have no reason to be stressed. i mean i think i definately felt better with the lex at 10mg and 20 or so... does anyone know how easy it is to get meds overseas or to go see a doctor overseas and get something like lexapro (esp in Spain?). so just to reiterate i have been exercising a lot, but it is not helping enough! i seriously donīt know what i can do, going nuts...
btown_sv
07-19-2003, 10:52 AM
thanks for your all your replies and support. iīm still traveling and still finding that i am having social anxiety, such that is affecting relationships with people. i am aware i have this anxiety issue and i can see people kind of noticing that iīm kinda flaking out a bit and they are maintaining their distance. it sucks. i hate it... so bummed. i still have trouble maintaining eye contact with people or it is really uncomfortable at times to maintain contact. this is not because i am bad or am trying to lie or anything, for some reason my head just hurts, and then i donīt want them to see how wasted my eyes look, how vulnerable and lost my eyes look. donīt get me wrong i donīt take drugs or do anything of that sort. i mean i have tried so hard in my life for stuff that iīve wanted school, work, everything, i donīt know how long i have to suffer... this is really hurting. i was supposed to take a break from everything and even though i am at a nice beach town right now, i still have this issue. i have been running every day or so for nearly 40 minutes. i have even been swimming out in the ocean and learning new watersports. i mean when i finish these activities i do feel relaxed, my body does, but my eyes and my head just feel zoned out. itīs seriously driving me crazy. i met this really sweet girl over here and would love to see her and start something up but because of these anxieties i donīt want to lose it around here. oh my god she is such a gem too. i feel like iīm pushing people and possible relationships away that i think would be very good for me, things that i need because of this crap. iīm thinking maybe i need to get back on lexapro or something. as i had tapered off it since the psych said it looked like it wasnīt working for me as i incremented up to 20. maybe the lex wasnīt working for me earlier because i was working and still under stress. now i have no reason to be stressed. i mean i think i definately felt better with the lex at 10mg and 20 or so... does anyone know how easy it is to get meds overseas or to go see a doctor overseas and get something like lexapro (esp in Spain?). so just to reiterate i have been exercising a lot, but it is not helping enough! i seriously donīt know what i can do, going nuts...
hry33
07-19-2003, 05:04 PM
Hi, wear sunglasses to hide your eyes for a while, eye contact can be practised by watching the newsreaders eyes on TV
lexapro and other SSRI type antidepressnts are available everywhere and help many with anxiety
lexapro and other SSRI type antidepressnts are available everywhere and help many with anxiety
justdontknownemore
07-20-2003, 06:41 PM
what about if you can get some klon to take apparently it is good for anxiety? i have not taking it as i dont think we can get in the uk unless it us under another name, hope all goes well for you, best of luck..
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btown_sv
07-24-2003, 03:44 PM
i was able to get in touch with a spanish doctor, and was given celexa. i just found out that its the precursor to lexapro which was what i was taking earlier. but i guess its better than nothing. iīm thinking maybe it would be better to actually take paxil, wellbutrin or something else of that nature. i guess iīll wait and see how the celexa does and go from there, atleast iīve found a person thatīll be able to help i think.
RickRick
07-25-2003, 10:23 PM
Find a doctor who will prescribe daily Klonopin for you. After trying all the antidepressants with no results other than apathy, sexual dysfunction, and side effects, Klonopin proved to be a true life-saver for my severe social anxiety. I've taken it for over three years now. At one point I was taking as much as 3 mg and splitting the dose across the day, but I soon found that LESS worked better. For the last two years I've taken 1 mg of Klonopin ever morning, and it's a Godsend. The only possible side effect is forgetting things more than I used to. It had several unanticipated *positive* side effects, including eliminating my long-time insomnia -- even though I only take it in the a.m.
Antidepressants do help some --especially women -- and most doctors (especially general practitioners) would much rather prescribe an SSRI than a benzodiazepine like Klonopin. This is partly because all of the big-pharma marketing dollars are going towards SSRI's and other anti-depressants (benzos are off-patent, so there are no $$'s to be made promoting their use); and partially because some doctors (again, especialy GP's) are afraid the patient will become addicted to benzos. But studies and anecdotal evidence show that this is the exception to the rule in a responsible patient. And while withdrawal can be a very real problem for some, that too is vastly overblown (naturally, the people who have had problems are going to be a lot more vocal than those who haven't).
Thank God for Klonopin and a doctor who was more interested in his patient than in the pharmaceutical companies' or anti-benzo crusaders' agendas.
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Antidepressants do help some --especially women -- and most doctors (especially general practitioners) would much rather prescribe an SSRI than a benzodiazepine like Klonopin. This is partly because all of the big-pharma marketing dollars are going towards SSRI's and other anti-depressants (benzos are off-patent, so there are no $$'s to be made promoting their use); and partially because some doctors (again, especialy GP's) are afraid the patient will become addicted to benzos. But studies and anecdotal evidence show that this is the exception to the rule in a responsible patient. And while withdrawal can be a very real problem for some, that too is vastly overblown (naturally, the people who have had problems are going to be a lot more vocal than those who haven't).
Thank God for Klonopin and a doctor who was more interested in his patient than in the pharmaceutical companies' or anti-benzo crusaders' agendas.
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btown_sv
07-27-2003, 12:26 PM
thanks for your replies again. i think iīll try to get some klonopin or atleast inquire about it. is klonopin exclusively for anxiety (social anxiety) or does it also help with depression. iīve been on celexa for a few days at about 10mg and iīm still getting the headaches and what not. and still having trouble with social anxiety. difficulty maintaining eye contact, as my head still hurts. iīve sought alcohol at night for temporary relief (as an escape) to enjoy the nightlife, but find that it catches up with me the next day as i think it worsens the depr. so iīm off the alch for a little while i think. i think iīll give the celexa a few more days. is it possible\recommended to combine a benzo like klonopin with antidepressant like celexa? what are the worst case stories of klonopin as far as getting off of it?
hry33
07-27-2003, 05:29 PM
benzos and antidepressants go well together, benzos reduce early antidepressnt side effects also
jamesjackson
07-27-2003, 10:20 PM
i've had social anxiety my whole life and i'm 26 and finally ready to do something about it. i've read that zoloft is the only drug approved by the fda for long term treatment of social anxiety. the horror stories of benzo patients withdrawing for months with symptoms worse than an opiate addict gets makes me not even consider them for every day- long term use. my main problem is explaining to my wife with whom is currently working and paying bills for us while i'm in pharmacy school that i have this. it's so embarrassing cause i've hid it my whole life behind alcohol abuse, so none of my friends(or even my wife) would believe that i have it. i've never been afraid of parties cause i always get sloppy drunk and dont have anxiety then. however i'm 26 and the hangovers are starting to last days, not just hours anymore. i know i'm gonna have major trouble with social anxiety now that i'm gonna quit drinking. i don't want to feel tense for the rest of my life. any advice?
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RickRick
07-28-2003, 02:48 AM
Actually, even though it is probably the best Social Anxiety treatment out there, Klonopin does not have an official designation for Social Anxiety in the U.S. It's two FDA-approved uses are as an anti-epileptic and for panic disorder. But in reality it's prescribed for almost any anxiety disorder other than OCD, plus for many other uses such as treating Essential Tremor and Restless Legs syndrome.
As hry33 said, benzos and anti-depressants go together very well. A common approach -- at least in the U.S. -- is to use a benzo like Klonopin just in the early weeks of AD therapy in anxious patients, since AD's often *increase* anxiety early on. Unfortunately, when it's discontinued it often turns out the anxiety isn't very well controlled by the AD alone.
Since I haven't been depressed, Klonopin alone has been great. But it's not an anti-depressant. (I've seen some unsubstantiated claims that it can sometimes *cause* or worsen depression after awhile. OTOH, I've seen a few small studies that suggest it has anti-depressant qualities. Bottom line, I wouldn't suggest trying Klonopin alone for depression.)
I was once on Klonopin + Celexa, but after a few weeks the combo had me feeling lethargic and added minimally to the excellent anti-anxiety efect of Klonopin alone. That doesn't mean everyone would have been fatigued on this combo -- it varies by person. And there are strategies to take care of such fatigue, such as adding low-dose Provigil (a non-traditional, milder sort of stimulant that is being used more and more as an adjunct to antidepressant -- and lately anti-anxiety -- treatments...but it's expensive).
As for Zoloft being the only AD for "long-term treatment" of social anxiety, that's simply because the maker, Pfizer, invested in longer-term studies to obtain this designation. Others such as Paxil, Lexapro and Effexor almost certainly could (and maybe will) go after and obtain a similar designation.
Again, the most effective, safest (IF you are not prone to excessive drinking or have addictive tendencies), and lowest side-effect Social Anxiety medication -- Klonopin -- doesn't even have an FDA designation for Social Anxiety, because by the time Social Anxiety became a better-recognized disorder Klonopin was already off patent...and it's too inexpensive (from the manufacturer's viewpoint, that is). Speaking of how the FDA's official designations are not always too relevant, I read that only a small fraction of Provigil prescriptions are for treating narcolepsy, which is currently its only official indication.
As for benzo withdrawal, when you have millions of people taking a class of drugs, there are going to be hundreds -- maybe even thousands -- of withdrawal horror stories. But if tapered slowly, that is very much the exception to the rule. I know a women who came off of Xanax with minimal effort after three years of Xanax + Paxil, but thought she was going to die when she tried to get off the "safe" Paxil. (Maybe you've seen some stories about the lawsuits against Glaxo Smith Kline for hiding data it had about Paxi withdrawal symptoms. But here again, that doesn't mean everyone will have trouble getting off of Paxil.)
My doctor has been practicing psychiaty for 25 years. He assures me that as long as I never exceed a dose of 3 mg Klonopin a day (I only take 1/3 that much), I will never have significant problem tapering off of it slowly.
Rick
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As hry33 said, benzos and anti-depressants go together very well. A common approach -- at least in the U.S. -- is to use a benzo like Klonopin just in the early weeks of AD therapy in anxious patients, since AD's often *increase* anxiety early on. Unfortunately, when it's discontinued it often turns out the anxiety isn't very well controlled by the AD alone.
Since I haven't been depressed, Klonopin alone has been great. But it's not an anti-depressant. (I've seen some unsubstantiated claims that it can sometimes *cause* or worsen depression after awhile. OTOH, I've seen a few small studies that suggest it has anti-depressant qualities. Bottom line, I wouldn't suggest trying Klonopin alone for depression.)
I was once on Klonopin + Celexa, but after a few weeks the combo had me feeling lethargic and added minimally to the excellent anti-anxiety efect of Klonopin alone. That doesn't mean everyone would have been fatigued on this combo -- it varies by person. And there are strategies to take care of such fatigue, such as adding low-dose Provigil (a non-traditional, milder sort of stimulant that is being used more and more as an adjunct to antidepressant -- and lately anti-anxiety -- treatments...but it's expensive).
As for Zoloft being the only AD for "long-term treatment" of social anxiety, that's simply because the maker, Pfizer, invested in longer-term studies to obtain this designation. Others such as Paxil, Lexapro and Effexor almost certainly could (and maybe will) go after and obtain a similar designation.
Again, the most effective, safest (IF you are not prone to excessive drinking or have addictive tendencies), and lowest side-effect Social Anxiety medication -- Klonopin -- doesn't even have an FDA designation for Social Anxiety, because by the time Social Anxiety became a better-recognized disorder Klonopin was already off patent...and it's too inexpensive (from the manufacturer's viewpoint, that is). Speaking of how the FDA's official designations are not always too relevant, I read that only a small fraction of Provigil prescriptions are for treating narcolepsy, which is currently its only official indication.
As for benzo withdrawal, when you have millions of people taking a class of drugs, there are going to be hundreds -- maybe even thousands -- of withdrawal horror stories. But if tapered slowly, that is very much the exception to the rule. I know a women who came off of Xanax with minimal effort after three years of Xanax + Paxil, but thought she was going to die when she tried to get off the "safe" Paxil. (Maybe you've seen some stories about the lawsuits against Glaxo Smith Kline for hiding data it had about Paxi withdrawal symptoms. But here again, that doesn't mean everyone will have trouble getting off of Paxil.)
My doctor has been practicing psychiaty for 25 years. He assures me that as long as I never exceed a dose of 3 mg Klonopin a day (I only take 1/3 that much), I will never have significant problem tapering off of it slowly.
Rick
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btown_sv
07-29-2003, 02:09 PM
obtained some Ļvaleriana leo con crataegus y passifloraĻ from a local pharmacist, i believe this is valerian root and passion flower - helped quite a bit last night with headaches associated with anxiety. was having trouble sleeping earlier, will continue to you use this before i go to bed. well, went to the doctor again. told her i was getting headaches with the celexa. she gave me paroxetina (paxil) over here in spain. weīll see. she said the valeriana was really good and that i could use it with the paxil. i inquired about the others - wellbutrin, klon, prozac she said iīd need to see a specialist and that paxil was good for phobias, social phobias and anxiety.. iīm a little weary of the addictive/dependency nature of the benzos. will try the pax first then weīll see.. i wish they had the technology to do a brain scan and isolate the right med for you.. man...
mugwump
07-29-2003, 08:11 PM
Well, drugs aren't always the answer, because then you don't learn it's possible to help yourself without drugs. Granted, I probably should have taken drugs for my social anxiety at some points in my life, but I've survived without them. You could try relaxation techniques, like meditation. Or cognitive therapy, to change your thoughts which will change your feelings. I ordered the audio tapes from this website, which were expensive and they get kind of repetitive after a while. But for people who are too afraid to go see a doctor to get drugs, they are worth it. ;) http://www.socialanxietyinstitute.com/
RickRick
07-29-2003, 08:20 PM
Oh, I didn't realize that you had had problems with benzos in the past. In that case, maybe you *should* steer clear of Klonopin.
Hope the Paxil works for you. But if it doesn't, and you want to stay away from benzos, the antidepressant that has proven best for social anxiety, far and away, is an older one called Nardil (phenelzine). The issue there, if you're not already familiar with MAOI-type antdepressants, is that while taking them you have to avoid certain foods in your diet (specifically, those containing tyramine), to avoid the risk of hypertensive crisis. The diet isn't nearly as restrictive as many make it out to be, but completely ignoring it can be risky.
Nardil was the first thing my pdoc gave me when I saw him about my social anxiety. It was starting to work pretty well, but I couldn't handle the side effects.
Also, glad to hear that the herbs are calming you down some. I've always wondered about PassionFlower.
Rick
Hope the Paxil works for you. But if it doesn't, and you want to stay away from benzos, the antidepressant that has proven best for social anxiety, far and away, is an older one called Nardil (phenelzine). The issue there, if you're not already familiar with MAOI-type antdepressants, is that while taking them you have to avoid certain foods in your diet (specifically, those containing tyramine), to avoid the risk of hypertensive crisis. The diet isn't nearly as restrictive as many make it out to be, but completely ignoring it can be risky.
Nardil was the first thing my pdoc gave me when I saw him about my social anxiety. It was starting to work pretty well, but I couldn't handle the side effects.
Also, glad to hear that the herbs are calming you down some. I've always wondered about PassionFlower.
Rick
btown_sv
07-30-2003, 04:56 PM
hey gang, thanks for all the replies again. itīs so comforting to know that people are reading these posts and giving advice. so many people canīt relate what iīm going through. this healthboard is great. after having had depression and anxiety its startling to see so many undiagnosed cases out there (especially with all the layoffs in the us, weak economy and the terrorism stuff and what not) like people you run into and what not. anyways enough of my schpeel. so iīm trying paxil for a while. went swimming today, felt great - bodywise after, relaxed and what not. realized that i wasnīt taking deep slow breaths. i need to work on my breathing i think. however, i still have the bloated, heaviness in my head and i think the paxil maybe adding to it. i hope it is a paxil side effect, but i donīt know for sure. when i was taking zoloft i had a similar bloated type headache feeling and had to get off because i felt like frankenstein. when i was on lexapro, i didnīt have any headaches really... i guess iīll have to wait and see. i definately agree drugs arenīt the answer and thus am kind of reluctant to try more potentially addictive types such as the benzos - i might do that if needed back in the states. however iīm a big fan of meditation as i try to practice it once in a while. but the thing is, even with the meditation other relaxation techniques, i canīt seem to address is the headaches and just general dullnees, feeling zoned. i mean the valerian root helped and what not but i still have these issues. thanks for the reminder to stay away from the tyramine, the spanish doctor said to stay away from frankfurts over here as they contain tyramine and can add to headaches.. iīve been eating a lot of tomato soup and sandwiches over here lately. trying to be religious about eating healthy. weīll see how it goes, anyone else feel this general dullness, feeling zoned?
tees
07-30-2003, 09:16 PM
I am new to this forum and have been reading the posts on social phobia with great interest. I have noticed no one has mentioned Nardil which i have been on for 3 years and it has been a lifesaver for me. I know it is a very dangerous medication but it was a last chance for me. I had been on effexor, xanex, prozac, paxil, zoloft, ect. I was to the point where i lost my buisness and almost my family. I would like to know if anyone else experienced or how bad their Social Phobia became. I got to the point where i couldn't leave my house, answer the phone. I missed my son and daughters graduations, my daughters wedding. Finally i was admitted to a Pyschiatric ward 4 years ago and today i am able to go out again and starting to enjoy life again. I know i am probably saying to much, but i feel i have been to hell and back and wanted to mention nardil to anyone who hasn't had any success with other medications.
RickRick
07-31-2003, 01:07 AM
Tees, that's great about how much Nardil has helped you!
Have you ever had any hypertensive episodes due to Nardil? My pdoc prescribes it a lot more than most doctors do these days. He says it's a vastly under-rated medication and that the potential dangers -- while real -- are greatly overstated. He told me that in 25 years, he's only had one patient experience a hypertensive crisis. This patient called him from the emergency room, and she recovered quickly.
btown_sv, I have a feeling this isn't what you mean by "bloated headaches", but before I started Klonopin and lost a lot of weight, I was often frustrated by a recurring "dazed" feeling. It was kind of a de-realization...like I was in a dream and couldn't get out of it. Bright fluorescent lights -- like in a Target or a Wal-Mart -- would always make this especially bad. When I referred to the unexpected *positive* side effects Klonopin had for me, I had completely forgotten about the fact that these frequent dazed sensations ceased after I started taking it. Maybe the weight loss had something to do with it too (I'm sure it's helped lower my anxiety), but I'd put my bets more on the Klonopin. I also used to have frquent facial pain/tightness and headaches which were clearly related to that. I used to think it might be some sort of sinus problem, but sinus medication was of no use. I was coming to the conclusion that it might be TMJ, and had an appointment to see a TMJ specialist. But that problem suddenly disappeared. That was just about the time I started Klonopin for social anxiety, and I later realized that the pain had disappeared due to Klonopins muscle-relaxant effects another unanticpated beneficial side effect.
In addition to meditation, you might also want to look into cognitive behavioral therapy. My understanding is that it takes a lot of patience and hard work -- and it's not always easy to find a good therapist -- but it can definitely be a *big* help for social phobia.
Have you ever had any hypertensive episodes due to Nardil? My pdoc prescribes it a lot more than most doctors do these days. He says it's a vastly under-rated medication and that the potential dangers -- while real -- are greatly overstated. He told me that in 25 years, he's only had one patient experience a hypertensive crisis. This patient called him from the emergency room, and she recovered quickly.
btown_sv, I have a feeling this isn't what you mean by "bloated headaches", but before I started Klonopin and lost a lot of weight, I was often frustrated by a recurring "dazed" feeling. It was kind of a de-realization...like I was in a dream and couldn't get out of it. Bright fluorescent lights -- like in a Target or a Wal-Mart -- would always make this especially bad. When I referred to the unexpected *positive* side effects Klonopin had for me, I had completely forgotten about the fact that these frequent dazed sensations ceased after I started taking it. Maybe the weight loss had something to do with it too (I'm sure it's helped lower my anxiety), but I'd put my bets more on the Klonopin. I also used to have frquent facial pain/tightness and headaches which were clearly related to that. I used to think it might be some sort of sinus problem, but sinus medication was of no use. I was coming to the conclusion that it might be TMJ, and had an appointment to see a TMJ specialist. But that problem suddenly disappeared. That was just about the time I started Klonopin for social anxiety, and I later realized that the pain had disappeared due to Klonopins muscle-relaxant effects another unanticpated beneficial side effect.
In addition to meditation, you might also want to look into cognitive behavioral therapy. My understanding is that it takes a lot of patience and hard work -- and it's not always easy to find a good therapist -- but it can definitely be a *big* help for social phobia.
JacobRD
08-01-2003, 02:16 AM
i'm going to try and keep this to the point. i suffer from social anxiety, at times i feel like nobody has been in as must distress as myself. but all i wanna say right now is i really beleive meditation should be givin a shot. try it and really educate yourself... try obsessing on this as much as say... your social fears? then see how far you get. i have reduced my anxity greatly (even when i first tried it!!!) by learing to focus on the moment, and get out of my thoughts. when ever i'm feeling scared i just quit thinking and i concentrate on a background noise or anything, using any of my senses, altho i am really fond of using the sense of sound. please, at least for me, try looking into meditation... i know the pain this causes us and i want others to find comfort.
skyblue2003
08-01-2003, 04:39 AM
i, myself suffer from social anxiety i suppose... for eg, i will feel myself very tense up n start to sweat naturally when i am with those ppl whom i dun really know.. n i feel myself couldnt tok n if they were to talk to me, i would answer them with the shortest possible answer to prevent myself from stuttering as i noe from the situation, i noe i would stammer if i were to talk more... when i am with those close friends (few of them only), i wont get tense up n sweat that easily.. n when i am in a crowd n noisy place, things would b the same again.. n one more, i would like to noe if u guys stammer/stutter when u r under such a situation? i really hate myself.
and yeah, what JacobRD had said, i seem to fit into it.
and yeah, what JacobRD had said, i seem to fit into it.
skyblue2003
08-01-2003, 04:47 AM
n lastly, does those medicine mentioned in this forum, help in reducing speech stammering/stuttering problem? i doubt it can be cure right? lastly, is those medicine expensive? i am just a student. i haf tried various ways but nth seem to haf solve my stammering problem...
RickRick
08-01-2003, 01:53 PM
I don't stutter very often, but before my social anxiety treatment my main social anxiety symptom was my voice trembling when I felt uncomfortable around people. Sometimes I would stammer, too. Occasionally, these tendencies still break through, they're mostly gone since I started taking Klonopin.
The main question in assessing your situation would be whether you also stutter around people you're very comfortable with. Have you seen a speech therapist? I used to work for a guy who stuttered constantly. Then at one point he suddenly stopped. I have no idea what he did, but obviously there must be treatments available.
As for the cost of the anxiety medications, generic Klonopin (called clonazepam) is about a cheap as prescription drugs get. The antidepressants are more expensive, although Prozac is available as a generic, so it should be somewhat less expensive. Not sure abou Nardil. You can check out the prices of any of these on drugstore.com.
Rick
The main question in assessing your situation would be whether you also stutter around people you're very comfortable with. Have you seen a speech therapist? I used to work for a guy who stuttered constantly. Then at one point he suddenly stopped. I have no idea what he did, but obviously there must be treatments available.
As for the cost of the anxiety medications, generic Klonopin (called clonazepam) is about a cheap as prescription drugs get. The antidepressants are more expensive, although Prozac is available as a generic, so it should be somewhat less expensive. Not sure abou Nardil. You can check out the prices of any of these on drugstore.com.
Rick
scottmichael
09-25-2003, 01:02 PM
hey all,
this is my first time ever coming to a sight like this. i've been reading everyone's postings, and realized that i have alot of the feelings that everyone els has.i haven't always felt like this. i usta be outgoing, have lots of friends, and play sports. but for the past 6 months i haven't had any motovation to really do anything. i don't know if i have sad or not, but i get nervous when i'm around a big group of people including my friends. i don't really even hang out with them anymore. i know that they like me, but i always feel like i'm anoying everyone when i'm around, because i'm always so quiet.i can't even keep a job anymore, which is adding to it.i feel lost. and don't know what to do.i try to hide it. i'm on of thoes ppl that hold everything in and don't ask 4 help, because i don't think anyone would understand.i get so nervious that i can't even go to a doctor. and what skyblue said about studdering, i don't studder, but when i talk i talk so low u can barely hear me. scott
this is my first time ever coming to a sight like this. i've been reading everyone's postings, and realized that i have alot of the feelings that everyone els has.i haven't always felt like this. i usta be outgoing, have lots of friends, and play sports. but for the past 6 months i haven't had any motovation to really do anything. i don't know if i have sad or not, but i get nervous when i'm around a big group of people including my friends. i don't really even hang out with them anymore. i know that they like me, but i always feel like i'm anoying everyone when i'm around, because i'm always so quiet.i can't even keep a job anymore, which is adding to it.i feel lost. and don't know what to do.i try to hide it. i'm on of thoes ppl that hold everything in and don't ask 4 help, because i don't think anyone would understand.i get so nervious that i can't even go to a doctor. and what skyblue said about studdering, i don't studder, but when i talk i talk so low u can barely hear me. scott

