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Old 12-09-2003, 07:10 PM   #1
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Need some help...

Hi everyone again,

I've been gone for a little while but have been reading some of the posts. I hope everyone is having at least a few moments of relief from all their pains.

I need some help...

I had my appointment that I was dreading with my surgeon yesterday. I really respect my doctor and especially after he spend an hour with me! I really appreciated that. However, I have been devastated with his news.

He brought my MRI in and showed me while he was talking so that was good. Basically he said that he cousulted with his senior surgeons and partners on my case and that none of them had seen a case of disc degeneration as bad as mine in someone my age. (didn't make me feel too great right off the bat but I took a deep breath and we continued) He said that it was extremely rare to see the amount of degeneration in one disc in a 24 year old, and I have it in three. Hummm. He basically said there are five options and took the time to go through the pros and cons of each one. But he wanted to make sure that I understood that none of them was ideal and that he was really stumped as to what to do. We ruled out two of the options because one has not been approved by the FDA and the other I could only have done in Germany. He said the I was not the ideal candidate for IDET but that it might be worth a shot to see if it can help. Other than that or trying pain management, my only option is to try a three level 360 fusion. He said that 3 level fusions were only done rarely but he would do it if that is what I wanted. I am stumped and devastated.

Basically, can anyone tell me about pain management and what to expect? I have never really gone to a specialist but I know that I am also not fond of taking medicine. (I will if I have to though). My doc recommended to try this for 3-4 months and see. He said if this didn't work the next step that he would recommend woud be to try the IDET at three levels. The he said if both of these don't work we will have to fuse.

WHAT SHOULD I DO???? I am so confused by all of this. I am tired of wasting time with trying different things and them not working, yet don't want to jump into a spine altering procedure that could fail. Arggg...

Thanks to everyone for reading this novel that I have written. Any suggestions at all would be greatly appreciated.

Ribbit

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Old 12-10-2003, 06:21 AM   #2
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Old 12-10-2003, 07:38 AM   #3
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Hi Ribbit: I am so sorry to hear about your situation; you are not alone. I am a 55 year old woman with 14 degenerating spinal disks; my problems started when I was 43. However, I have given birth to 3 children. My daughter had some signs of degenerating disks in her 20s (she is 34 now) and so do my two sons who are 27 and 22! They has found this condition is inherited. Our 27 year old son was born with spinal bifida occulta. His sacrum didn't close in utero and L2 pedicle (side of a lumbar vertebre) never formed. This wonderful "gift" was given to our son by me! Then, he dislocated his shoulder and this has inflammed his neck severely! This young man works in a high stress job, 40 hours a week, and suffers daily. He does NOT want to go on pain pills, but lately, he has been hurting so bad, he will take one here or there. (He does NOT want a continual supply; but his pain is getting worse, he is really concerned about what he should do; he needs a clear mind for his job.) On top of this, he is having mass anxiety and he may have another health issue, plus he has digestive problems.

You are fortunate to have doctors that seem to care. Pain management will be done to see what modes of pain therapy can be given to help you be comfortable. Many doctors tell you to live with the pain; your doctors aren't doing that to you. Ribbit, I know your pain, as many of us do here on these boards. It can drive you crazy. Anyway, in pain management, they may try physical therapy, relaxation therapy, TENS unit, anti-inflammatories, or at last resort possibly opiates for pain control. However, you are young and the only concern I would have (and please ask the doctor and pain management people about this) was if you had to go on opiates (due to the fact none of the other things mentioned above have worked on you), how would your tolerance be handled? In other words, if you started on opiates now, what medications would work on you should you need a higher opiate dose for surgeries in the future, or severe pain flares? You would have a pretty good tolerance. I didn't get opiates until I was 50 years old. However, laws are changing (DEA) regarding docs prescribing opiates. They aren't arresting docs for prescribing these drugs for chronic pain patients, if the doc isn't some weirdo prescribing these drugs for anyone (like Rush Limbaugh who doctor shopped or the movie stars' doctors).

Also, fusions are done only to decompress nerves that would be damaged if the fusion was NOT done. Trust me, I have had a neck fusion that shifted. It is half in and half out of my spinal canal at C5-6 and all the vertebre above collaspsed down when it shifted. Trust me, a fusion or even a surgery, will NOT rid you of pain! It may help the pain for a little while (but some surgeries are know to make people worse), but once the spine is damaged, it sort of "tweeks" out. The nerves keep screaming something is hurting me, fix it, stop movement, yet no damage is truly being done. In fact, the disk degeneration itself causes pain because the disk is burning out the proteins within it. It is like a dying star; it must burn itself out. However, while it is burning itself out, you get pain! Plus, it depend how deeply your individual nerves are imbedded into the degenerating disks. Surgery won't stop your pain; it saves nerve damage only. Please ask your doctor what damage would be done to my nerves (and main spinal nerve) if I do NOT do the surgery. This is important. I hope I have helped you and now you don't feel so alone at your youg age. At age 27, my lumbar spine started hurting me, too. My spine, per my doctor, is a mess. Heavy lifting of fire wood and snow shoveling a flat roofed mobile home in snow country, plus having a husband who was ill on and off for most of our married 30 years, caused me (who is a tiny boned, light weight woman) to do heavy work as when you have chronic illnes, the family is thrusted into poverty. (My husband cut the wood with the chain saw and I helped load it, as he did. He did what he could, but it took it's toll on him. He is still alive today and doing well. That is a whole story in itself.) If you have this condition, you had better NOT do a physical type job. If you don't have college, go to school, because all that will be left for you is physical labor. Take care, Patmg

 
Old 12-11-2003, 07:42 PM   #4
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[QUOTE=ribbit]Hi everyone again,

I've been gone for a little while but have been reading some of the posts. I hope everyone is having at least a few moments of relief from all their pains.

I need some help...

I had my appointment that I was dreading with my surgeon yesterday. I really respect my doctor and especially after he spend an hour with me! I really appreciated that. However, I have been devastated with his news.

He brought my MRI in and showed me while he was talking so that was good. Basically he said that he cousulted with his senior surgeons and partners on my case and that none of them had seen a case of disc degeneration as bad as mine in someone my age. (didn't make me feel too great right off the bat but I took a deep breath and we continued) He said that it was extremely rare to see the amount of degeneration in one disc in a 24 year old, and I have it in three. Hummm. He basically said there are five options and took the time to go through the pros and cons of each one. But he wanted to make sure that I understood that none of them was ideal and that he was really stumped as to what to do. We ruled out two of the options because one has not been approved by the FDA and the other I could only have done in Germany. He said the I was not the ideal candidate for IDET but that it might be worth a shot to see if it can help. Other than that or trying pain management, my only option is to try a three level 360 fusion. He said that 3 level fusions were only done rarely but he would do it if that is what I wanted. I am stumped and devastated.

Basically, can anyone tell me about pain management and what to expect? I have never really gone to a specialist but I know that I am also not fond of taking medicine. (I will if I have to though). My doc recommended to try this for 3-4 months and see. He said if this didn't work the next step that he would recommend woud be to try the IDET at three levels. The he said if both of these don't work we will have to fuse.

WHAT SHOULD I DO???? I am so confused by all of this. I am tired of wasting time with trying different things and them not working, yet don't want to jump into a spine altering procedure that could fail. Arggg...

Thanks to everyone for reading this novel that I have written. Any suggestions at all would be greatly appreciated.

Ribbit [/QUOTE]Hi Ribbit, First I want to thank you for answering my post from the other day. I really appreciated it and hearing that you are so young and going through this really makes me feel for you. It's a heavy load for anyone let alone a young person. I have a young relative who also started with back problems really early from a diving with the swim team in high school so I know it can happen. I have been through a lot of the treatments that you are considering so I know that it is a tough thing to think about cause you can't go back once you have the surgery no matter what the outcome. I have come across people in physical therapy with good outcomes as well as bad outcomes. Every one is different and no doctor can really predict how a patient will recover. But I think being young can actually be to your benefit as far as it goes. I had IDET and to tell you the truth had I known what it involved in retrospect I would have passed and put up with the pain longer until the inevitable fusion. I did very well with the fusion- followed the post op orders, exercises and restrictions very faithfully and although the recovery took some time, I truly did get to a better place after about a year I had a big difference in the quality of my life for the better. I think one of the most important factors is if you trust your doctor andif you have that gut feeling of confidence in him or her you'll be able to come to the right decision. These boards are great but the bottom line is that it's your life and decision to make. When you get to a point where you just can't take the pain and disruption ofyour lifestyle anymore you'll know it's time to do it. You should arm yourself with information and try as many noninvasive treatments as you can like massage, physical therapy, TENS units. They like to call the IDET noninvasive but I will tell you it still is a procedure where they are aggravating those discs that already have a problem and the recovery from it for me at least wasn't a piece of cake and then I went on to require the fusion anyway so for me it seemed like a step that I could have skipped cause it did get me to a comfortable level. It also might be worth your while to get a second opinion if possible since you are so young. I will tell you that afterI finished physical therapy which was a long haul and tough at times I was able to do things which I hadn't done in years and I still keep up with the mackenzie exercises I wish you all the best and again thanks for replying to me , at this moment I just really needed to connect with someone who understands. Take care, SnapD.

 
Old 12-12-2003, 04:46 PM   #5
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Dear Ribbit,

Hi, i'm here. Wow that's rough but i'll be here to help you in any way i can.

Feel secure knowing that you have surgeons who are colaborating on this together and that you are not just another number with them considering the time they have spent thus far. The decision you reach will be the right choice made after very careful consideration.

I am no expert but i do not believe in your case pain managment will help. What it will do is 'mask' the problem, you dont want to live like this. Having the pain masked means you wont be able to feel if the situation is getting worse or not because pain meds will be masking it. I was offered a epidural prior to choosing for PLIF L5S1 but i decided against it because i wanted to decide based on how i was truly feeling, as to whether or not i was going to have surgery.
What patmg said was correct, find out how jeoparidsed the nerves are because the nerves are what causes permanent and the most of the problems associated with ongoing spinal issues. You most likely have leg pain as the discs would be compressing them?
What vertebrae/discs are involved here? I know of a client at my gym who has been fused from c1-s1 - her whole spine basically and she is doing ok so dont be afraid, this isnt the end of the world. You just need to really do your research on your scenario. Try and locate medical journals on a case study of past surgeries of a similar calibre and see how they turned out. What is an IDET, if this fails and then you decide to fuse after its failure, does this compromise any chance for the fusion to not take?


I also think that you have to look at your situation objectively. By this I mean just because of fusion wasn't an option for one person doesnt mean its not an option for you. There are many stories out there both positive and negative regarding fusions but each case is so individual. For me, it has been the right decision so far. I am 6.5 weeks post op and am not on any pain medications. My back pain has not troubled me nor has my leg pain (as long as im wise about my actions ie: not standing for hours on end etc..)

Lots of love and long distance hugs
Brooke

 
Old 12-12-2003, 10:14 PM   #6
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Hi patmg, snapd, and brooke79!

Thank you all so much for your kind responses. It has definately been a difficult week. It is nice to be able to come to this board and have some friends with this in common as I start to feel that those around me who don't suffer with back pain get tired of hearing "I can't do that b/c I have to go home and lay down."

Patmg... I have been thinking about you and are hoping you are feeling a little better...I did have a nerve conduction test that came out normal. That was good in some ways and bad in others according to the doc. It is good because he says there is no nerve damage right now. It was bad because he says it kind of complicates things since symptoms wise there are nerves involved that are not too happy right now. The doctor was very honest with me and said that he did not and could not offer me an "ideal' solution but could offer several options and give me their pros and cons. I can sympathize with your son. I DO NOT want to go on pain medication either. I don't like the way they make me feel or the side effects of them. I work about 50 hours a week coordinating an online degree program and I am beginning to struggle to handle this horrible back stuff and my workload. Thank you so much for sharing your story with me and helping me.

Snapd... I hope you are getting a little relief and are feeling a little better today and even better tomorrow. Thank you for your kind words and I have been thinking of you. I have the same feelings about IDET as you do. The discogram was horrible (even though I know that was only for diagnostic measures and not pain management) but it took me days for my discs and nerves to calm down. I can't imagine what they would do after IDET. The doctor said that the procedure works 50% of the time on one levels but he doesn't know what the statistics are for three levels or even if it has been done on three levels. I said maybe we could just do the worst level? He said no, we would definately have to do all three or none. Hummmmm. My doctor said that physical therapy would not help, but I had already made an appointment with a prescription from the physician who did my nerve conduction test so I kept it just to see if I coudl get some relief for even a day. I went twice this week and have initially been in more pain (I think because it has been a while since my back has been worked on) but have felt a little better today. (It could have had something to do with it being Friday!!!) Thanks for your post and I will talk with you again soon.

Brooke79... I am so glad that you are back. I read another post where you said that your computer was down... bummer... don't you hate when that happens? I dont' know what we ever did without computers.
I agree with you about pain management and am very skeptical about it. Really the doctor explained that through pain management we would basically be trying to buy time until "mother nature" would eventually fuse my spine because the discs are so "sick." Unfortunately mother nature is a little longer than I would like to be on pain medicine or in pain.... 15-20 years. An IDET procedure is where they insert a cathater into and around the disk and heat it to a certain temperature to try and "help and jump start" healing of the tears and damage. Many insurance companies won't even approve it because it is still in its "testing phase" He said that results for those who have had it done are about 50/50 at one level. He said he was not sure if it has been done in the United States on more than one or two levels. I am very apprehensive about this procedure as well. Especially because it would be an insurance battle and somewhat of an invasive procedure for less than a 50/50 chance of working and their aren't really many studies that say how long the help is lasting from it.

I am so glad to hear that you are doing well and are not in lots of pain. It's stories like yours and the wish that I could just function like I used to that at times makes me just want to take the risk and have the operation. The levels involved are L3/4, L4/5, L5/S1. They are bulging/herniated and torn. He said evidently there is something going on chemically with the collagen in the discs that is making them degenrate at a faster rate than normal. Couldn't say whether the other discs are going to eventually go too. The doctor said that physical therapy won't help because the discs are already "sick" and there is no way to reveerse that process. But the doctor who did my nerve conduction test gave me a prescription for a therapist who specializes in back patients so I made an appointment. I was going to cancel after I met with my doctor and he gave me all this information but at the last minute I decided to keep it in the hopes that she could maybe even help for a day. Well... she is very good and I can tell a little bit of a difference. She is definately helping my hip (surgery on it in Nov. after back surgery in Feb. of last year). I am grasping at the hopes that the majority of my leg pain may be from piriformis syndrome or SI joint problem and irritating the nerve. Maybe I'm just kidding myself. Who knows? I have to say this is one of the hardest decisions I have ever had to make. for now I will have to take it day by day.

Again, I am glad to hear that you are feeling better! I hope work is going well and that you are not overdoing it! Take good care of yourself and thanks for responding. Hope to talk to you again soon.

Sincerely,
Ribbit

 
Old 12-13-2003, 03:09 AM   #7
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Dear Ribbit,

I had my 6 week post op appointment with my surgeon yesterday. He has said at this stage he doesnt want me doing anything besides walking to exercise. I was also doing hydro to try and lossen everything up and have a stretch. He said he doesnt want me doing that. He said he basically wants everything to be stiff and still for the bone to heal. I think i had gotten my hopes up about my progress and i always expect a lot of myself. I have to seriously have a think to myself about slowing down and learning some patience. Like you said this is a massive decision and one that will ultimately change your life (lets hope for the better). I want to make sure i am doing everything i can to make the recovery process successful.

You're right the IDET does sound a little far fetched especially considering the discs are already quite diseased by the sounds of it. The Fusion of the 3 levels would most likely stop all the symptoms but it's a big decision and as you know a 360 fusion carries a lot of risk not to mention a 3 level 360 fusion. You would need to be thoroughly in the right frame of mind to have the procedure because the recovery time would be lengthy and testing. What kind of time limit are you on so to speak? I mean is your doctor saying this is something that needs attention fairly soon?

Like I said though, i'm here for any assistance you might need.

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Brooke

 
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Hi All: My daughter told me something that supposedly a doctor told her friend. If anyone has ever heard of this, please let us all know. They are coming out with these supplements called glucosamine and chrondrotin. These are the supplements that doctors know help cartilage. This friend's doctor stated the reason why we are not getting the glucos/chrond. in our systems these days is because these substances are from bones. These days, people do NOT make homemade soup from bones. (I still do; since my gall bladder surgery, my guts are so messed up, my soup is the only thing that calms my guts.) Of course, since my back gave out, I quit making soup as much, as I wasn't cooking these more complicated meals. (big roasts, only 3 of us in the house now, etc.) Has anyone ever heard of this??? I think I'm maybe going to have my soup for every meal????? (joking here)Just thought I'd put this out there. Take care, Patmg

 
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[QUOTE=Patmg]Hi All: My daughter told me something that supposedly a doctor told her friend. If anyone has ever heard of this, please let us all know. They are coming out with these supplements called glucosamine and chrondrotin. These are the supplements that doctors know help cartilage. This friend's doctor stated the reason why we are not getting the glucos/chrond. in our systems these days is because these substances are from bones. These days, people do NOT make homemade soup from bones. (I still do; since my gall bladder surgery, my guts are so messed up, my soup is the only thing that calms my guts.) Of course, since my back gave out, I quit making soup as much, as I wasn't cooking these more complicated meals. (big roasts, only 3 of us in the house now, etc.) Has anyone ever heard of this??? I think I'm maybe going to have my soup for every meal????? (joking here)Just thought I'd put this out there. Take care, Patmg[/QUOTE]


Hi Pat,

Those supplements have been around for a while. But glucosamine raises cholesterol. I'm afraid to take it.

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Old 12-13-2003, 04:40 PM   #10
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Dear Pat,

I dont know if you have the same products as us but in Australia there are lots of supplements that one can take to help with tissue and bone growth etc. One is Silica, it sounds similar to those you mentioned. However, before my surgery i asked my surgeon about supplements in general and he said for me it wasnt particularly neccessary. He said it depends on age and current health siutation. I am 24 and healthy so he said my body would look after itself.
Another member to these boards warned me that products like Silica can actually have adverse effects on the instrumentation used for fusions so make sure you know everything about the product good and bad before taking them.

Brooke

 
Old 12-13-2003, 11:55 PM   #11
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Hi Pat,

I have actually taken glucosamine and chondroitin... actually I have a big bottle of it sitting on my night stand. I only took it for a little while. I have a sensitive stomach that can't tolerate medicines very well and my stomach didn't like the glucosamine and chondroitin. Basically they help lubricate joints and can possibly rebuild cartilage... slowly and over time. My mom has arthritis in her knees and after she started taking it daily for about three months she did notice that her knees hurt less. I think it is something that can help in arthritis and keep joints healthy but probably can't "heal" something that is injured. But don't quote me on that. Some peple feel great results after taking it in their knees, hips, etc and others say they don't notice any difference. I would caution you though if you start taking it and notice your stomach becomes more problematic than usual, it might be the glucosamine and chondroitin. Let me know if you decide to take it and how it works for you!

 
Old 12-14-2003, 12:18 AM   #12
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Hi Brooke,

I know what you mean, it's hard not to get carried away with rehabing when you are feeling good. I had the same problem after my discectomy. It probably doesn't help that we both are into exercise and fitness so that just makes it worse that we are told to hold off and let the body heal. I actually had to take part of every day and invision my back healing. I would actually try and picture my disc and vertebrae getting better and in the same time remind myself to be kind to it because it needed time to heal. Take it easy because you want it to fuse all the way before you start anything strenuous with it. (I know now I'm sounding like your doctor... ) He said everything is looking good? And it is wonderful to hear that you are feeling less pain!!! How are you doing getting off all the medicines from surgery? To me that was the absolute worst part of my whole surgery... I though I was crazy and was never going to be myself again. But gradually I became me agaiin as the medicines got out of my system.

I agree and think I have decided to bypass the IDET. I think I have put my spine through enough stuff between many ESI's, discogram, MRI's, x-rays, physical therapy, and anything else you can fit in the kitchen sink...

Well... I don't really have a time limit. It's just how long I can put up with pain everyday. I graduated from college in December of last year with a degree in Excercise Science. I moved from Tennessee to Georgia and decided to take a year off from school (before going for my master's) to heal and get healthy. Obviously my body hasn't exactly cooperated with what my plans were. I recently took the GRE and did not do well because I was in extreme pain throughout the test and could not concentrate. Now I think, how in the world would I be able to study if I can't even sit through a 3 hour test? Anyway, plans were to have my application in to two physical therapy schools in January to hopefully, if I got accepted, begin in the fall semester. My ultimate goal was to be a pediatric PT working with children with disabilities. Well, my spine and pain has altered everything I had planned and even how I see my future now. I was ignoring it for a while determined I could beat it and become a physical therapist no matter what, but after many chats with other PT's, knowing the work load because of many volunteer hours, and an honest chat with the doctor, I just don't think it is a wise decision even though it breaks my heart. I could probably make it through school and into being a PT, but how happy am I going to be if I am in pain everyday all day from picking up kids all day? It's been a very very hard conclusion to come to... one that I really have just begun to accept this week. So now I am faced with looking at other options. I have to say that I am tired of my days having to revolve around how my back is going to do. Many times I want to just risk it and have the operation in the hopes of days without having to worry if I will make it through work or if I can sit through church. But then I get scared. Not really a time limit, just something I am going to have to ultimate be okay with whatever the decision may be.

Thanks for being there and I'm here for you too! I hope your are having a wonderful day!

Love and hugs back!
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Dear Heather, Hi

Wow, i didnt realise we have sooo much in common, its great to have someone in the same boat. . I can tell we will be of significant support to one another.

I too am studying exercise science. Previous to this degree I was doing a combined Law degree but eventually my back issues became far too much for me and i was told by the doctors that it was serious and so i got into rehab and then my love of and fascination with the human body and exercise just came along as I became aware that my spinal issues were going to be with me for the rest of my life. What better career then to have, something where i can learn about myself too. So here I am. I am 24 and about to begin my second year in Exercise science. I am loving it though having no science background I am struggling with Chemistry but am fascinated all the same. I have all the human body DVD;s and books on anatomy and physiology. I also have aspiration of becoming a physiotherapist however have also been warned that it is often on par with nursing in terms of the amount of physical exertion involved. Have you considered being an exercise physiologist? That's what i'm looking at. I want to be involved in helping people recover from spinal surgery/injury by getting them mobile and active to help reduce symptoms etc. This is more an advisory role I guess.

I am about to undergo exams with The Fitness Institute of Australia to become a licenced gym instructor and then i will be doing my Personal Training licence straight after. That is ontop of and seperate to my uni work.

I remember a year ago how much i loved going to gym. I would go seven days a week. Gee I was healthy then, but as my back worsened i had to let that go. My body couldnt keep up with uni, work and gym all together. I think it will be quite some time before I will be very fit again. I have to tell myself that if I dont do it right this time that i'll not be fit for a long time because I wont heal. In fact i may miss my chances at ever being active again.

It's good to know there is someone who knows how frustrating it is. I dont really have much choice but to watch the muscle on my body getting slowly covered by a layer of fat because I cant exercise. I just have to eat very well until i can exercise.

When i went for my post op check up he didnt look at my back, it was more questions. He did say though no exercise for atleast another 6 weeks. He doesnt even really like the idea of hydrotherapy (i had been doing gentle streches in the water) he said he doesnt want stretching at this stage, he said he wants everything to stay stiff and still. It's funny, a lot of people say at 6 weeks there is a relatively solid fusion but in actual fact it hasnt really begun fusing at 6 weeks. I have been off meds for close to 3 weeks i think, I had been on Valium and really strong narcotics but i was becoming quite agressive and really not myself so i threw them away (well in the cupboard anyway) i now want to give my body a chance to restore the balance. I am not in any pain except when i turn whilst im relaxed or laying down, i feel quite uncomfortable. I like to know what it is exactly that i am feeling when i feel pain (that is where it is coming from and why) I think my back muscles have healed by now and perhaps everything from the operative site that was physically damaged to perform the surgery has healed so the pain must be from the rods and screws or the spacers between the L5 and S1. When i stand or sit too long i get pain all over my back (discomfort really) and i am quite sure this is just the muscles of the back strengthening up again.

You'll get to be in the field of your choice and I think it's a great choice! Have your surgery and do it in the best fashion you can. By that I mean make the most informed decision, the one that has the best chance of outcome. You'll be restricted with your movement due to the nature of the injury but you'll still be able to function well and in a lot less pain than you are in now. I cant remember if you told me so forgive me if you had but you know that if you have leg pain you really need to look at your options soon as that can become irreversible damage/pain.

Definately keep m posted!

Lots of love and long distance hugs
Brooke

 
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Patmg HB User
Re: Need some help...

Dear Brooke and Fly: Thank you both for your informative replies regarding the supplements. I always thought silica was sand, as we have a silica plant near us and they mine this sand to make glass. It is a very fine type sand, perfect for glass making. However, I know they manufacture products with some unusual ingredients, at least here in the US. Perhaps in Austrailia, silica is something else??

I also never knew glucosamine raised cholesteral. Thank you for that information as well, as my cholesteral is a bit high. I am a 55 year old woman who is rather worn out and whose joints (spinal and otherwise, but mainly spinal) have arthritis, as well as severe degenerating spinal disks. I think I will just stick to my homemade soup for what it does for my belly and if it helps others "body parts" (sounds like chicken parts when I say it this way..haha), so be it.

I do know one thing; the closer the food you eat to the natural way it comes from the earth, the better it is. All the prepared foods (TV dinners, etc.) are either high in fat or salt or preservatives. When we were younger, we did a lot of "back to the land" type things in Wash. state, grew gardens, raised beef, port, etc., at one time. There was nothing like all that fresh food; the taste could not compare! I simply have DDD genetics and I overworked my body. Take care and thank you again, Patmg

 
Old 12-14-2003, 02:21 PM   #15
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Brooke79 HB User
Re: Need some help...

Dear Patmg,

You are absolutely right. I am an exercise science student and we look at nutrition quite a bit and yes, the closer the meal is to its natural source the better. Another example (for those who like these kinds of drinks) is drinking something like diet coke as opposed to coke. Coke is actually better for you because they have to put all kinds of artificial things into make the 'diet' part of diet coke', its better to with coke which has sugar as its natural. Those dinners are very much packed with artifical substances to make them taste better because they have had to make them so low fat that they would be unpalatable.

Silica is a liquid over here that contributes to tissue regeneration. However it is known to hav adverse affects on fusion success. Like my surgeon said, your body can often heal itself depending on your situation. Given that your body already has some other issues though supplements may not be a bad option depending on their nature.

Brooke

 
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