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Old 01-10-2004, 01:28 AM   #1
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Severe lower back pain and teeth problems?

I'm new here but wanted to share a little of my bizarre story. I had severe lower back pain which Dr. said was osteoarthritis (nothing else showed up on the MRI really) and was prescribed Bextra. It worked wonders and I could walk more than 1/2 block for awhile - lived on it for 3 months. Then something else happened which I know was the solution for me.
Believe it or not but my back pain was connected to tooth infection. Yes you read it right! Had a root canal and the pain immediately disappeared. It was unbelievable as I had had back pain for 5 years or more (off and on) but finally was getting so bad I could not even hardly walk. Has anyone else experienced this? Are you a person who has very sensitive teeth? Anytime my teeth were cleaned I ended up having a couple root canals. Anyway I was going to back specialists at the time and of course they said it was not possibly connected. Was good then for a few months, then had more tooth work done (dumb, yes I agree) and the pain came back 5 days later. Went to the dentist and on a hunch I asked him to give me a prescription for Pen V antibiotic as I was starting to suspect tooth infection. It took 5 days later to work but the pain disappeared and it has now been about 5 months free of back pain. It is so wonderful - a real miracle. My dentist told me that he had heard of upper back pain from tooth infection but not lower back. The Dr.'s just told me I would have to live with the arthritis and do exercises to help. The strange thing though was that I would feel somewhat relieved after a night's sleep and not feel stiff like I imagined arthritis to be like.
It was after I was up and moving that the pain would come back. I would get some relief when I sat down for a minute. The worst was sweeping and vacuuming! Not sure why those motions were so bad for me.
I sure wish that all your pains could be given an antibiotic and you would feel no pain but I guess I was just fortunate. If my story can help anyone I will be happy for you. It might be worth trying Pen V (penicillin if not allergic to it) especially if you have had sensitive teeth. Remember that I went for at least 5 years off and on with pain and did not even realize I had deeper tooth problems. A friend told me that she works for a Dr. clinic and many people are prescribed antibiotics 2 -3 days before getting their teeth worked on (of course some of those probably need it to reduce the infection before a root canal) I have had lots of root canals as one would trigger others. Sorry this is so long. Lots more to the story but will cut it here.
I sympathize with your pain and hope that you will get some relief as pain is so debilitating.

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Old 01-10-2004, 09:37 AM   #2
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Re: Severe lower back pain and teeth problems?

Vibramycin (a penicillin) apperently has an effect on backpain in some cases.
If the backpain is caused by the nucleus leaking out of the disc and causing a chemical irritation to the nerves, then Vibra can help.
It somehow stoppes the effect of the irritating substances in the nucleus, how I don't know.. I'm not sure doctors know either.

Of course you can't keep on eating penicillin for the pain, but some doctors use it as an indicator to find the reason behind the pain. If Vibra proves effectful you could benefit from Enbrel (called Remicade here) injection as it is antiinflammatory. Lots of sideeffects though so it's only on trial as I understand it.

Maybe it was the antibiotics that cured your pain all along while having dentalproblems, or was it just the fixing of the teeth that did the trick maybe?
Anyway, good you got better!

 
Old 01-10-2004, 11:34 PM   #3
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Re: Severe lower back pain and teeth problems?

This is an intriguing story. Thanks for posting it, Humming.

Vibramycin is actually not a penicillin. It is the brand name for doxicycline, an antibiotic in a different class (the same as tetracyline and the other "cylcines") One of the reasons Humming's story intrigues me is that I was on a dose of doxicycline just _before_ my back problems began. And so it suggests there may some some interesting back and forth between antibiotics and back problems that we have yet to figure out.

I am in the process of getting some dental work done (no root canals, but a crown), so maybe that will help.

Enbrel, btw, is a very different medication. Not an antibiotic at all, but a form of anti-inflammatory that actually reduces immune response. That is why serious and sometimes fatal infections are one of the serious side effects of Enbrel and some other medications in its class.

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Old 01-11-2004, 01:57 PM   #4
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Re: Severe lower back pain and teeth problems?

I was going to post something like this! I've had my pain for almost 2 years now and it's just starting to go away thanks to PT. Anyway, I have serious teeth problems and I noticed every time I had work done or went on ANY kind of an antibiotic I'd have no back pain! I was thinking I had an infection in my back and that is why the pain went away. However, my dr said I had no symptoms of that and said the antibiotics may have brought down swelling all over my body (back included) I had a root canal done on Friday and now my back doesn't hurt at all! I mean NO pain which is RARE. There has to be some connection!
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Old 01-11-2004, 03:12 PM   #5
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Re: Severe lower back pain and teeth problems?

xavier--Does it matter which antibiotic you use? What do you usually use before dental work?

This is interesting stuff. We now know that chronic inflammation is also associated with heart disease, and that can be from tooth problems that are not taken care of. Maybe there's something wider going on. Of course, anti-inflammatories (aspirin, ibuprofen, etc.) are all
about this. But maybe antibiotics act in a different way on general inflammation.

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Old 01-11-2004, 03:42 PM   #6
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Re: Severe lower back pain and teeth problems?

It doesn't seem to matter which antibiotic I use. My dentist has given me just plain old Penicillin. This time I'm on Metronidazole since the tooth was so badly infected! It never hurt though, I guess maybe because my back usually hurts so bad I couldn't even feel it. I've also been on Erythromycin in the past few months for chronic Sinus infections and broncitis.

I know I more than likely don't have anything wrong with my heart, I'm 25 and in pretty good shape, also a vegetarian. I don't know how or why they seem to take back pain away, but I know it worked for me. My dr seemed to think it was more of a coincidence though. I have a co-worker who has arthitis and she said the same thing happens with her, her inflammation goes down when she's on antibiotics. So it must reduce inflammtion in some form or another.

Katt

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Old 01-12-2004, 10:26 AM   #7
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Re: Severe lower back pain and teeth problems?

Yes, this is very interesting stuff!

In Sweden there is a study going on about the possibilities that a virus can cause back pain. A microbiologist, an infection disease doctor and a spinal surgeon (Peter Fritzell) are working together with this.

The theory is that some of the very many cases of back pain (where no apperent reason for the pain can be found), the pain acctually comes from infection. The guess is that this infection is very tiny, is causes no other discomfort for the patient other than back pain, and therefor can not be diagnosed very easily.
A first result of the study is planned to come 2006.
I don't have very much more info on this now, but this sure is interesting!

/Kris L.

 
Old 01-12-2004, 10:30 PM   #8
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Re: Severe lower back pain and teeth problems?

[QUOTE=KrisL]Vibramycin (a penicillin) apperently has an effect on backpain in some cases.
If the backpain is caused by the nucleus leaking out of the disc and causing a chemical irritation to the nerves, then Vibra can help.
It somehow stoppes the effect of the irritating substances in the nucleus, how I don't know.. I'm not sure doctors know either.

Of course you can't keep on eating penicillin for the pain, but some doctors use it as an indicator to find the reason behind the pain. If Vibra proves effectful you could benefit from Enbrel (called Remicade here) injection as it is antiinflammatory. Lots of sideeffects though so it's only on trial as I understand it.

Maybe it was the antibiotics that cured your pain all along while having dentalproblems, or was it just the fixing of the teeth that did the trick maybe?
Anyway, good you got better![/QUOTE]

Hi Thanks for the info. I think it was the fixing of my infected teeth not the antibiotic. The first time it happened after the root canal the pain moved to my knee and then disappeared. It was just unreal and probably wouldn't believe it if someone else described it but it really happened to me. The next time had a filling done and sore back came back after 5 days. Took Pen V and in 5 days my back was totally pain free and has stayed that way now for 5 months. Scared to go back to the dentist but need some crowns put on root canals.

 
Old 01-12-2004, 10:41 PM   #9
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Re: Severe lower back pain and teeth problems?

[QUOTE=KrisL]Yes, this is very interesting stuff!

In Sweden there is a study going on about the possibilities that a virus can cause back pain. A microbiologist, an infection disease doctor and a spinal surgeon (Peter Fritzell) are working together with this.

The theory is that some of the very many cases of back pain (where no apperent reason for the pain can be found), the pain acctually comes from infection. The guess is that this infection is very tiny, is causes no other discomfort for the patient other than back pain, and therefor can not be diagnosed very easily.
A first result of the study is planned to come 2006.
I don't have very much more info on this now, but this sure is interesting!

/Kris L.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for sharing this info. Thought this would make a good research project for some Dr. somewhere. I noticed when going through all this in our local paper that someone has researched that there is proof that tooth problems can cause a baby to come prematurely. Surely there could be some connection as well to back pain. Sure hope someone does more research on this. I think our bodies are connected more than we think. Any specialist I have seen said that it must be coincidence - no correlation. At least I am pain free today so something must have happened.

 
Old 03-03-2004, 04:06 PM   #10
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Re: Severe lower back pain and teeth problems?

Hi Xavier
Thanks for responding. Maybe I'm not crazy after all. No one else seems to believe me. i don't even think that antibiotics are even part of this except for maybe there is an infection but moreso a root canal. I started havinc back pain again and now a couple months later found out I need anothe root canal. Had one today so will see if the back pain goes away as well. This time hopefully without Pen. VK. Time will tell. Also I am a person that freezing does not work well on. In fact I was going to have to be put under. Last time had 18 shots of freezing and still had terrible nerve pain all through the dental procedure. Do you also have troubles like this. Just wondering if my nerves are connected strange.
Did you hear that tooth infection has been proven to cause premature births. Some more research is definitely needed on this.
Hope you are doing better now and your back pain is completely gone!

 
Old 03-25-2004, 02:54 PM   #11
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Re: Severe lower back pain and teeth problems?

Hi All ,

it was very interresting to hear from you about the effect of antibiotic on back pain but i have different opinion!!

I have a chinees book talking about a relation between teeth and spinal disks. The book is relating every tooth basement with a related disk in the back. The book is saying that chinees medication (accupuncture) can cure back pain by stimulating the relating tooth .

simmilarely, ear also has a special point for every disk in the back.

So, May be the opposite is the same. If you make a tooth sick the related disk will be sick . I hope evry one of you give us the tooth number so that I can go back to the book and check wheather they are simmilar or not.

 
Old 03-30-2004, 11:37 AM   #12
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Re: Severe lower back pain and teeth problems?

Hi all,

This is spooky. I have had very bad neck pain (mainly C1-C3) with mild back pain for 7 years. I was recently diagnosed with two abscessed teeth and have had a root filling already and am waiting for my second one to be a root filled next week. Strangely enough I've also noticed a decrease in my neck pain. Not too sure if this is just a coincidence or luck but it certainly seems to be the case. I wonder if there is some relationship? I am definatley going to ask my therapist when I see him on Thursday.

Ian

 
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