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Old 08-20-2004, 11:18 PM   #1
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Angry Dr Problems

Had my hardware removed five weeks ago - went to the spine dr for my post op two weeks after and was told that it would take 3 monthes for the screw holes to fill up - and that i could not do anything for that three monthes cause the spine could break from the screw holes -
went to the spine dr again wednesday and now i am so confused .He dumped me ! Told me that he has done all he can do for me . That he has already did surgery on me and that did not help . That he removed the hardware and that helped a little but there was nothing else he was doing - then told me goodbye .
I have screw holes in my back and somebody is going to have to make sure these fill up with bone . And i know when you have surgery that three monthes of visits are included with the surgery fee . My incision is not even healed yet and my back is still all swollen . I told him all of this and he did not even want to look at my back .
I have been searching and can not find another ortho that will take me cause he has already done all of this surgery on me .
Called my health insurance yesterday to file a complaint and was told that i could not because he terminated his self from our insurance on August 1st .Maybe he is mad at our health insurance for some reason but that does not make it right to do a patient this way .
I do not know what to do . Any suggestions ? Went to my pain dr today and she said the same thing - that i am going to have trouble finding a spine dr to take me - but that is who i need to find -
The pain is worse than before - They upped my pain meds . I am now on duragesic patches - anybody else on here on those ? Put one on seven hours ago and still have no relief but she said that it will take eight hours to get into my system . She said that when i go back she is going to put me on nuerotin to .
i am just so confused and do not know what to do . I think i need a spine dr to make sure the holes fill up - but do i need a nerve dr for the nerve pain going down the leg ?

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Old 08-21-2004, 03:39 AM   #2
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Re: Dr Problems

shaukc,
walk away...I mean run from this guy! you do not want a dr. like that! they work FOR you, you need to go to your PCP and get him to find a spine specialist. if they take your ins. they have to see you. I also had my hardware out. the surgeon who took it out was not the same one who put it in. he wasn't thrilled, but did it anyway.

you need to find someone who is willing to keep "looking" for the cause of your pain.
It just burns me how if you are not the perfect candidate, so many drs. pack you up and move you out!
lets face it the more complex the case the more there is a chance of surgery not helping, then his sucess rate falls....see
It has taken me 2 years since my hardware removal to find out the reason I am still in pain! I must have seem 10 drs. in that time. all who "couldn't do any more for me". Till I went to a top ortho in NYU who dx. my SI joint dsysfunction.

keep looking, try all ortho/neuro drs. in your ins. book. If there is no one who will see you then call the ins. company and ask to go out of network...they willl quickly find you a dr. who will see you. at least it is worth a try.

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Old 08-21-2004, 07:16 PM   #3
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Doctors are afraid of litagation. Period. They don't want to take on a patient that has already failed back surgery. No one wants to take responsibility for a situation that may end up badly.

 
Old 08-21-2004, 07:31 PM   #4
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Moonlight,
You are so right. I had my surgeon go off on me right before surgery, saying I was putting him in jeapordy, because there were still a few things I didn't understand about my surgery a few day before and I was still asking questions. When I finally convinced him I wasn't litigous, and got my questions answered I went ahead with the surgery. He's one of the best surgeons in LA. But god, are they afraid of litigation.

Right now the whole health care industry is in crisis. The patients are getting shafted, and so are the doctors. Something needs to be done.

Shaukc,
Call the AMA, and your insurance company and threaten to go to the local media with your story. Is there a guy on the news in your city who sort of does the consumer advocate stuff you could get in touch with?

This doctor who dumped you is breaking his hippocratic oath, and should be held accountable. God, these egotiscal so and so's really make me angry. I'm so so sorry you're having to deal with this on top of trying to heal. It's just wrong. Wishing you all the best.

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Old 08-21-2004, 07:35 PM   #5
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Unfortunatley, all doctors have the right not to treat you. There are signs in hopsitals that state that they can't turn you away, but doctors can and do. Once you have been turned down, do not, under any circumstances, have those records forwarded to any other doctors that you see. It is like when a kid is labeled as a behavioral problem in school and it follow them through out their entire educational years.

 
Old 08-21-2004, 08:08 PM   #6
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[I]Call an attorney. This is patient abandonment....and he needs to be reamed out but good! I know that doesn't solve your most major problems, but while you are looking for a doctor to help you, make a few calls and see if you can find a malpractice attorney. If this doctor dumped you, he is supposed to find a doctor to take over for him....what a monster he is! I'll bet, if you checked, you would find that you aren't the first to be treated that way by him, he has probably been reported before.
Start with your pcp to help you find another doctor. Ask your pm for recommendations, ask your insurance carrier if they can help. My God, this is just unconsionable. How in the world can a doctor sleep when he does things like this? You might try calling the AMA...perhaps they can help with suggestions and you need to talk to them anyway to file a report against this jerk.
I wish I could help with names, but I can't. All I can do is offer you my best wishes and a prayer that you find someone ASAP.
May God bless you and help you.

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Old 08-22-2004, 09:27 AM   #7
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Hello Everyone !
Just wanted to thank everybody that has replied and offered me advice . I checked this DR out before he did my fusion and found nothing . But now i am wondering how many other patients that he has that has my insurance ? And how many of them that he abandoned ?
Have a apointment with my primary dr in the morning to discuss this with her and see what she can do
Those patches are way too strong for me or something . Was sick at my stomach and feeling way too loopy all day yesterday - could not even do anything - i was feeling so bad . I finally took the patch off and the skin was broke out underneath - guess i was getting to much medicine going through since the patch had broke the skin out . Anyway i have bad withdrawal stuff going on now .
I filed a complaint with the AMA already - did that a few days ago . Just waiting on a response from them .
Thanks to everybody again . Going to go lay down .

Shauna

 
Old 08-23-2004, 02:59 PM   #8
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Hello Everyone !
Maybe - hopefully i have found a new spine dr to take me . Called them this morning and they wanted me to bring my records and films up there - they are going to have the dr look at them - them see if he will take me .
Had to have my records faxed from the other dr - called down there and they were not nice to me at all -
the dr put in there that i have some psychosocial issues ? What does that mean ? He was also upset that i would not go to therapy . I told him that i could not go to therapy because i could not afford the $25 copay three times a week .
We went from two good incomes to one - it is all we can do to try to pay our house payment and keep our house .
Social security disabilty had denied me twice now . Of course nearly everybody knows the social security system and how that works . ( or does not work should i say )
AS far as my throat being cut real bad during my intubation for my screw removal - he has in here that it was a atraumatic experience .
Wish me luck - hope everybody is having as much as a pain free day as they can . Shauna

 
Old 08-23-2004, 05:56 PM   #9
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shaukc
im sorry you are going though this mess. i dont have no encouraging words for you. right know im having trouble finding a surgeon to work on me. my doctor is triing to find someone to. this makes you stop and think. may god take your pain away and watch over you.

mike

 
Old 08-24-2004, 07:29 PM   #10
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Hello Xtoyota
All of this Dr mess is crazy ! They think they can just abandon you anytime they want and leave you hanging with no one to take care of you .
Hopefully i found a dr - i hope anyway .
Is your primary DR trying to find you a spine dr too ? Hope you find one soon .


Hi Carol ! Got a email from the Texas Medical Board today - looks promising . Can not wait to see what they do .

Have to go back to the pain dr thursday to get the pain meds changed again . I talked to my primary and i think i have figured out what my vomiting problem is coming from . She said that she thinks the pain is causing my vomiting . Well i do not take the pains meds until the pain gets unbearable .Then i am already sick at my stomach . Maybe i need to take the pains meds before it gets real bad . I am going to discuss this with the pain dr when i go .


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Old 08-26-2004, 05:09 PM   #11
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Shaukc,
My GOODNESS what a mess your removal surgery has ended up being! From the start, I mean! I'm so sorry your surgeon had to be such an a##. I sure hope the AMA people go after him! I wouldn't be surprised that he was hot to dump you b/c of the intubation incident..and that fear of litigation others are talking about. What a jerk. You know..."stuff" happens, but you need to stand by your work, no matter what...and especially when something goes wrong. Be accountable. Grrrr..

I'm sure you don't care about all that as much as you just want to be taken care of.. I don't blame you one bit! You deserve only the best care. I hope your new doctor is that kind of man/woman.

My hardware removal was 2 weeks ago today. I am also still swollen/inflammed, but my pain is greatly reduced from what it was before. Most of my pain is just from the inflammation and stiffness (because they don't let you bend or anything) and the incision area. Driving is very uncomfortable b/c you know, the skin against the car seat gets jumbled every time you hit any kind of bump in the road. Ouch. I'm going to try NOT to drive again for a while.

I had not heard about the risk of breakage b/c of the holes not being filled back in yet! OMGosh.. when I asked MY surgeon about the holes, he actually thought I was asking for a cosmetic reason! Sheesh! As if! Yeah, I'm a blonde, but good grief - I'm not THAT dense! So... they take a few months to fill in, eh? I see the doc for my first post op visit next Wednesday - I'll sure be asking about breakage risks now! He gave me no indication that that would be a concern! Now that I've seen my hardware (got to take it home with me), I dont know how it COULDn't be a concern until the holes are filled.

I've tried the Duragesic patches before (2002) and had the same reaction, Shaukc... I didn't leave it on long enough to get loopy though. I just put it on one night, woke up feeling WONDERFULLY pain-free, but within an hour of waking, I was vomiting, and then got really sleepy. I didn't try a patch for more than 18 hrs, then told the doc "No way!".

Hope your new doc is a caring one..and hope you're feeling better. Take it easy, okay?

Your partner in Hardware Removal adventures,
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Old 08-26-2004, 08:29 PM   #12
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Hello Susan ! . I have been wondering how your doing .
I am still pretty sore too . The back pain got less right after the removal but it is still there . I can really tell it if i drive , sit to long , do housework or even sleep wrong .I have the pain going down from the back down to the toes and i also have some numbness. The pain going down the leg gets lots worse when i drive . But my damage is on the right side and that is the leg you use most to drive . I think the leg pain is worse than the back pain .
I brought my hardware home too . I knew it was long but i was just shocked at the thickness of it and of the tops of it . They asked me if i wanted to keep it and i just could not see throwing $85.000,00 away . Hubby says we need to frame it .
I still have not heard from the new dr . He was suppose to look at my films and records and let me know if he is going to take me . I guess no news is good news . If i do not hear from him tomorrow i am going to go on in Monday and assume that he is going to take me .
My primary said we just need to concentate on getting the back well ( making sure the holes fill in and getting the incision well ) then maybe start going to a nerve dr .
The old dr put on my records that the intubation was atraumatic . I think that means easy - well as bad as my throat was cut - i would not say it was easy .
This dr that dumped me even sent me flowers while i was still at the hospital after he took the hardware out and then dumped me a few weeks later. Makes no sense to me .
I do not know how anybody can even do anything on those duragesic patches ! Those things are way too strong !
Got to go - have sit for to long - it was nice hearing from you . Shauna

 
Old 08-27-2004, 12:56 AM   #13
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To Shaukc:
I'm so sorry for what you are going through. It's disgraceful how some of these surgeons behave. No conscience at all! They do it because they can! There's a place waiting for people like that. Know this. But still, you are in a bad position. I've been there. you are right. You are going to have a hard time finding some other doctor to help you before the year passes. This is what they do. You're hands off material until enough time passes after the surgery so none of your future problems may be connected with your surgery. Enough time passes and they feel safe that any problems you have can be dismissed from any claim of being connected to your surgery. If you have family out of town, you might go there and try to see if someone will help you. But as far as getting help close the your old surgeons turf, forget it.
Maybe the Neurontin will help. It does cause constipation, so you'll probably need something for that too. But it helps a lot of people. It got me through the worse of it.
Pray. There's a God that says "When you are weak, He is strong." Get someone to get you a good Bible. Read Psalms. They can be your words to God. He can turn this situation into something useful, give you compassion, patience, endurance, all the things we would rather not learn this way and maybe even in time cure you. Get through one day at a time.

It might be wise not to give names of doctors, including your primary doctor if you decide to get help out of town. It's impossible to think of going off somewhere at a time like this, but you need help. And you are not going to get it where you are.
Also, eat lots of protein, and jello (gellatin), Bromelain (helps you digest the protein), and glucosamine/chondroitin, (helps heal bone tissue). and Keep writing. Let us know what happens. The hearts of many are with you. Ricebird

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Old 08-30-2004, 09:44 AM   #14
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Hello!
I think i said in a earlier post that i had to take all of my films and records to the new dr that i found - he was suppose to look at them and see if he would take me - his office is 50 miles from me - i took everything to his office last monday - they called friday to confirm my apointment for today - i explained to the person on the phone that i had took everything up there and that he was suppose to look at everything and let me know whether he would take me - she told me that he was going to take me and that she was confirming my apointment .
Got up this morning - drove 50 miles ( one way ) signed in - sat down in the lobby - then had to stand up due to the pain and then a woman comes out with all of my records and films and tells me that the person that called me made a mistake - that he had not even looked at my records - then she gives my records back to me -
i drove 50 miles one way in pain to be told this .
I am so mad and upset . What is wrong with all of these drs !

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Old 08-30-2004, 09:53 AM   #15
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What the HE** ??????????

You deserve a better explanation!! Don't take no for an answer until you get one! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

 
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