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Old 08-24-2004, 03:16 PM   #1
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why no chiropractor?

I was taken kind of aback when a couple people stressed NOT to see a chiropractor for my back/neck...I was recently diagnosed as having a bone spur on my 6th vertebrae, and Ive been told I have degenerating discs in my back...I have always seen a chiro for my back problems, as well as accupuncture....someone even mentioned paralysis? s this true?

 
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Re: why no chiropractor?

When there are spurs involved you are taking a big chance with chiropracters. While manipulating your neck, or back, if spurs get caught on something it could do some serious damage.

Spurs are an indication of a medical problem wherever they are. If you have spurs that means theres a deeper issue that needs taken care of. Generally it is something that will not be treated or corrected by chiropractic measures. As a general rule spurs do not go away they will grow bigger if the initial problem is not corrected.

Some folks really swear by chiropractic measures, I stay as far away from it as I can. I have a genetic disorder that my joints will dislocate very quickly and easy without the need of a chiropractor to do it for me .

 
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Re: why no chiropractor?

I guess I never thought of this before, but can ones discs deteriorate so much that paralysis could occur? I mean im fairly young (36). If me discs have degenerated so much that my body is growing bone to compensate for the "gap"? what are possible future events? I know fusion could happen...thats where they go in and literally fuse 2 bones together and it somewhat limits your range of motion in the affected area. (right?) Is there anything I can do to "stop" or "reverse" the degeneration? diet? excersize? anything?

 
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Re: why no chiropractor?

I went to a chiropractor 2 times a week for 2 years. Temp help for a couple hours only. I spent all that money.

Then I went to a orthpedic specialist- who sent me to Physical Therapy.
ITS WORKING!

Try PT it works!
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Re: why no chiropractor?

There is no way to stop degeneration dispite ads that some medications claim.
You can slow it down however. I'd suggest eating healthier and taking extra vitamin C. Vitamin C works on collagen which is what your skin and cartilage comprise of, most folks take 1500 mg a day. I am sure there are other things out there as well just that's the first one that popped into my head.

I would think it possible but I don't know for sure if it can parylize you. I am sure someone else knows. I know you can cause permanent nerve damage.
Careful on the exercising, you want to do whats best for your back.

By the way is your spur on your neck or lower back? You didn't indicate. Either way you will still want to avoid lifting or doing anything that causes undue stress.

you could ask your doctor to prescribe a few weeks of therapy. At least then someone can show you what are the best exercises for you.

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Thanks for the advice on PT, and yeah, at best the chiro only relieves me temporarily. The reason I asked about "reversing" the degeneration was, I bought some stuff a few months back, being the huge sucker I am, that more or less arggues that our soil has been leeched of its nutrients and therefore we arent getting the same minerals from our daily foods as our forefathers got, and basically alot of what ails us these days is as a result of that. So I bought 300$ worth of liquid plant minerals....with a "osteo-fx" liquid which basically is calcium that your body can readily absorb, which the way the slaes pitch went, its not true that when you get older you want to stop taking calcium....osteoporosis is caused by a calcium deficiency they say and if you were to take calcium that your body can absorb alot of th things that age us wwould be slowed inclusding cartlidge degeneration. The stuff tastes awful.....and I never took it long enough to feel any effects, although I was naseous at the thought of drinking it after about a week. Wow I apologize for all the bad spelling....who says flexerils dont make u feel funny! lol Im rambling so Ill shut up now....thanks yall! ill keep reading any and all replies as long as u feel like writing tham!@

 
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Re: why no chiropractor?

The paralyzation can come from causing damage to the spinal cord during manipultion.espescially when you have bone spurs.I know that chiros do do some good work, but in only certain situations.and as you stated, there is usually only a little if any at all improvement in your condition which is in most cases,only temporary at best.I have to say that when I had my C-6,7 fused,before the surgery,I thought that the loss of range of motion in my neck would be much more significant but it really does not differ much from the ROM on the left side.I feel that it is almost the same actually.just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.Marcia
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Hi Mark, I really don't have much to add here, except that I agree to stay away from chiros!! I just wanted to thank you for the humor in your post!! I can use all the smiles/laughs I can get LOL!! ((HUGS)) take care!

 
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Re: why no chiropractor?

Mark I think lots of folks fall for different "special remedy's" when they are first dx'd or are desperate. Truth of the fact is degeneration is caused by many factors. Environment and diet can be a source but for most it is not. For most it is a genetic disposition to it.
I have a condition called Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, very much like arthritis in some levels but it actually affects the collagen. The collagen affects everything, soft tissue, eyes, organs, skin, joints, to name just a few. There's nothing I could of done to prevent it and only certain herbals or vitamins to slow it down.

Pretty sad when companies like to rip folks off saying that they have this new cure all product. The reality of most of them is that they are no better than a placebo but if you believe it works then you may feel better. That'd be like me sending you some sugar pills and telling you I just discovered the cure for whatever and you actually believed it. Our minds can do interesting things.

Hehe yeah flexerils can make you feel funny bit I think that pain medications have the worse side effects. When mine start working I can't stop talking, my husband thinks its funny. It's just how my body processes meds due to the EDS. So on a good day if I've answered 50 million posts you know my meds are working! LOL

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Re: why no chiropractor?

[QUOTE=Mark Page]I was taken kind of aback when a couple people stressed NOT to see a chiropractor for my back/neck...I was recently diagnosed as having a bone spur on my 6th vertebrae, and Ive been told I have degenerating discs in my back...I have always seen a chiro for my back problems, as well as accupuncture....someone even mentioned paralysis? s this true?[/QUOTE]

You are not real clear as to your area of pain. Bone spurs do not always cause pain and problems. Are nerves involved? If you are over 30, you will have DDD, everyone does.


There is a school of thinking for every situation and every person. Chiropractors have their place if you want simple adjustments. I prefer an Osteopath who specializes in only backs and necks. They are are medical doctors who do manipulations.

Is the 6th vertebre in your neck? Were you getting numbness in your arm? Have you tried traction? If you are experiencing pain along with the bone spur, then get an EMG from a Neurologist and go from there. Just don't let them talk you into a steroid shot. I would have the bone spur removed if it is causing you problems. Chances are, it will grow back, but meantime, you have relief if it is causing nerve problems.

My husband has a bone spur in his neck. They wanted to do fusion. We are going to have the bone spur removed and then hold out for the Artificial Disk Replacement approval in about five years from the FDA. The spur was caused from a accident as well as repetitive motion.

 
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Im not really clear about my condition myself. Heres how it went...several years ago I was havingpain in my shoulderblade area all the way through to my chest. I went to a chiro, and he took 1 xray from the front...and showed me the "misalignment" of my neck...truthfully I didnt see what he was showing me but he said he could offer releif and in the short term he did. He also said I had "some" disc degeneration. From my first alignments I would feel 100% better for quite a long time. Amonth would go by before Id start to have the tightness in my neck that signaled the onset of my neck/shoulder pain. Also I was doing things differently with areas such as how I slept...I went from falling asleep watching TV with my neck almost bent forward from all the pillows..to using 1 pillow with with the raised edge for neck support and the dip in the middle for my head to rest in a more normal state. So four years or so down the road, if I sit at my computer for too long, which I have a bad habit of doing...or from work where I basically sit like Im at my computer for 8 hrs a day...my neck will get sore on one side...headaches at the base of my neck sometimes occur as well. Chiro offers me 1 days 2 days max temporary relief now. Until one day I slept on the couch and when I woke up it feels like I have a kink in my neck, but its been almost a month and it hasnt gone away. If I lean my head too far either way I get a burning pain in my shoulder blade...and my left shoulder hurts constantly. I went to a Dr and he took 8 or 10 x rays and said I had a group of muscles in spasm...plus a bone spur on my 6th vertebrae,,,,I didnt see it, not did he explain it further. He said to take celebrex for 2 weeks and take flexeril for 2 weeks and if it still hurt go see my regular dr. (this was in michigan, as I was out of town when i finally gave in and went to the dr) He said if it didnt get better to have an MRI to get a better undertanding of what all is going on in there....PROBLEM...I dont have insurance...I already owe the hospital like 8 thousand dollars, Id really like to avoid expensive tests, but its getting to a degree of pain I cant live with anymore....

 
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See signature line,

Anyway, you need to find out if the bone spur is interferring with the nerve. If it is, then you need to think about having it taken out. It is a short term fix, but less expensive than fusion and less invasive. If it is interferring then you you could end up with nerve damage. The X-Rays should be able to tell you this. NO insurance? Have your primary refer you to a Neurologist. Then have the Neurologist do an EMG. This is about $1000 total, but worth it in the end. If it were me, I would borrow the money from my family or take out a small loan. The last thing that you want is nerve damage. It has been eight months since my husband found out that he had this problem and he is still in pain. He is not taking anything. He doesn't want to overdo under the influence. He came to the conclusion that he can't raise his arm over his head. That keeps the pain down, as well as using the pillow that you mentioned.

You really need to get the tests. And, make sure that you don't over do.

 
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OK Im more awake now, so Ill actuallly answer a couple of questions I was asked...heh...ummm have I had numbness....yes but not recently. It might have been a year give or take but for a couple of years right after I started having back troubles...Id wake up sometimes with my last 2 fingers (pinkie and the useless one next to it) numb and tingly..as well as sometimes an aching in my elbow (like a tendon or something...and when I feel around on my elbow itd hurt BAD. No real pattern with the numbness though, itd come and go seemingly unrelated to my back's pain or lacktherof. My chiro always said this was my Ulner nerve and sometimes hed tap around on my hand and arm/elbow with a thing that looked like the thing the doctor checks your reflesxes with. ( sorry for the scientific jargon). Anyhow one day when I was shaving I noticed one side of my face was numb...dead no feeling whatsoever...from my ear to halfway over my cheek and down ontomy neck partially. I believe it was my left side of my face...this happened a few times and when I told the chiro this he seemed worried and wouldnt tell me what worried him, but said he supposed it might be a result of how locked up my shoulder and neck muscles were.

This ties in with another post I made and although 2 doctors and 1 chiro have all agreed that Im wrong, Im not so sure. On my left shoulder there is a "mass" under my skin...it feels like about the size of a ping pong ball, maybe a bit smaller...and it seems to be under the skin but no attached to my shoulder itself...ie it can be moved around under my skin a little bit...I noticed it, or it appeared all of a sudden right when I started having pain years back...it has never gotten any bigger, nor is there any feeling in it...IT doesnt hurt, but under and wround whree its located is whrre I have my problems.My chiro said it was most likely nothing but have my doc look at it, my doc looked at it and touched it a bit then said its nothing....a :"mass" of fat. He said it isnt uncommon for someone to get this as a result of an injury or something. I hadnt injured myself that i was aware of ...but...oh and the doctor in michigan said the fact its wherre it is is a coincidence and comepletely unrelated....weird huh?

 
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Re: why no chiropractor?

Sorry if someone mentioned this but I'm just skimming real quick as I'm awfully tired today.

OK so I take it you have a spur in your neck yes? Best bet is to get another MRI make sure there is no herniation. Don't go the chiro until you know for sure he could really do some damage.
The numbness where you indicate is usually the Ulnar nerve which is connected I believe to the elbow but the neck can also cause the same thing but I don't recall which disk it relates to. For example I konw c6 and c7 are the thumb, pointer and middle.

As far as the mass is it possible that it is a cyst? Those generally move around.

As for the PC, make sure the monitor is up high enough that you are looking straight ahead and not down. Make sure your posture is straight up and you have something soft to rest your wrists on. This will help with the pain while you are at the pc. I have the same problems as you and have had them for years. If I sit in an un-ergonomic position it causes everything to flare up. It was particularly at it's worst just before I had my c-spine fused. It still does it now but no where to the degree it was.

Good luck

 
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