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Old 05-29-2005, 12:00 AM   #1
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Old 06-04-2005, 04:45 PM   #4
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Re: lower back pain, SI discomfort, muscle spasm, l4l5 buldge...who knows???

Hi there,

I've been having post surgery muscle spasms in my buttocks and hamstring for a week now. Just tried massage therapy today and it seemed to loosen up some of the tightness and spasms. I plan to go next week too and then go every two weeks....praying that it helps. Maybe it might help you.

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Old 06-05-2005, 06:54 PM   #5
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Dan,

You have gone thru some of the same exact things I have gone thru. Been thru all the epidural shots and SI shots. Been thru neuros, chiros, pain management drs and rehab drs with still NO relief and NO definite diagnosis. I have been going thru the same things as you but mine has been since jan 24 2004 from a car accident. My job is VERY physical and demanding and I can barely make it thru a day at work. I am going to see my neuro on Tues and i am going in there with a very bad attitude. He's either going to truly listen to me and do something or I'm outta there. I have already signed the medical release forms for 2 drs. I will also get my records from this neuro dr. And I am going to take all my records to a different dr. that I hope will finally diagnosis what is wrong and help me to fix it. All the exercises, shots, tests, and MRI's are not doing, fixing or showing anything but 3 minimally bulged discs. I too have a sympathetic husband and children but enough is enough. I need to get to the bottom of my problems so I can continue with my daily life which has become SO difficult. I wish you good luck. Please keep us all posted with your progress. We are all here to help each other....iearnmom

 
Old 06-05-2005, 08:09 PM   #6
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Re: lower back pain, SI discomfort, muscle spasm, l4l5 buldge...who knows???

Hey Dan.

You haven't mentioned anything about yoga. I looked around on the web and found that many people with back pain and bulged or degenerated disks have benefited from yoga. You might want to try it. Yoga may, however, cause injury if not done properly.

Here are two sites that both talk about yoga and back pain and that each suggest a book on healing back pain.

1. The book they suggest here is Back Rx by Vijay Vad. This book teaches yoga poses that do not pose any threat to further back injury, and that may promote healing/ or more flexibility.

2. The book that they suggest is Mind over Back Pain by John Sarno. People seem to like this one a lot.

If you haven't tried Yoga before, I do suggest you give it a shot. You seemed to have tried almost everything else.
Yoga, when done right can have countless health benefits but be very careful so as not to hurt yourself.
This is all I can suggest for now. Look around, and talk to people who have gone through what your facing. Sooner or later, you'll find the person with the right answer.


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Old 06-06-2005, 01:13 AM   #7
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Re: lower back pain, SI discomfort, muscle spasm, l4l5 buldge...who knows???

Wow! nobody can say you haven't really done the conservative things ~ so sorry your pain is so stubborn and your missing out on "life" and the enjoyment of so many things.

On a GOOD note, you did see some resemblence of relief from the esi....please don't give up hope. If it's true that the culprit here is a bulge, then there's still lots of hope. Unfortunately your bulge is obviously in a place where it's reaking havoc and causing you considerable pain. I must tell you the episode you described:
{"Pick up my two year old daughter in my arms...Had her underneath her arm pits about chest high when *SNAP*! }"
certainly sounds to me, like you blew a disc and have a herniation?

You didn't mention what meds your on, and I'm unsure what you'd be able to take in your job (thank you for all you do btw, my son is a fireman too)
I so hope things improve for you ~ please go easy on the PT, I personally think sometimes (especially if your herniated or close to it) PT can cause more harm than good unless your on a course of treatment not to advanced for your condition. You must listen to your body.
Although I have just began recently, I highly recommend "Aqua Therapy" to me, that is the only PT you should be doing right down.

Best of luck to you and "Congrat's on your New Baby Boy!!!"

glad you've come & shared things with us ~ we hope you'll continue to do so

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Old 06-06-2005, 03:03 PM   #8
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Has anyone ever suggested Botox injections for your tight muscles?? This is what my pain mgmt dr suggested for me, however, my insurance does not pay for them, as some insurances do....and for some reason he will not discuss this with me any longer.....I talked to a woman last week who is getting Botox injections.....

I know Botox is for facial wrinkles, but apparently it is working on muscle issues....let me know how it all works out...BettyJ

 
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Re: lower back pain, SI discomfort, muscle spasm, l4l5 buldge...who knows???

I'm no doctor but your description of the pain in the hip and buttock region sounds like the sciatic nerve and that would not be unheard of since you have a spasming muscle and the muscle lies near the nerve which could be affecting the nerve.

You might want to research "sciatic nerve" to learn more about it.

One thing starts spasming and the next thing you know, something else joins in cause it's all so close together. that darn sciatic runs deep through the butt hip and leg and can feel like a tight cord being pulled.

That bulge could also be affecting the nerve. With time and patience and taking it easy, you may be fine. But if you continue to have trouble, you might consider that the bulge is actually a tear which doesn't always show on MRI's, and the problem with that is the nerve can be pinched.

that football size bulge sounds horrific. I wish you the best in finding the right help. But my advice to you is to research on the net about "sciatic nerve." did they say you may have torn not just a muscle but a ligament? Cause that can take months to heal.

 
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hey gone fishin, i have had problems for over a year now with my left SI joint. four different times i felt like i was getting well and got worse.i have been to two specialist and have lived with a chiropractor for a year,and have taken three facet injection my problems is inflamation in the joint and i cant get rid of it. i have a question, do you have sensation arround your waste and weakness under your butt cheeks. I would like to speak with you by phone if possible.

 
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Gone Fishing,

You have gone through so much. I am new to back pain, began experiencing it Dec 04 and epidurals have helped me alot.

We are guardians to our 4 yr old grandson, so I understand the family demands you face, and how impractical it is to have a hurt back and still have a normal life. Yet the demands are still there. I asked my husband to buy me one of those wire, wheeled carts, and I use it a lot to do very basic things, like bring groceries in from the car, bring laundry to the washing machine, etc. I also bought one of those claws for picking things up off of the floor. That's helped me keep the house picked up.

And, my little guy has learned I can't pick him up anymore. He's getting pretty good at hanging onto the shopping cart now, rather than sitting in it.

I'm just at the beginning of try to find out exactly what to do next. Good luck to you. The swelling in your back sounds terrible.

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Old 08-07-2005, 07:46 PM   #12
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Re: lower back pain, SI discomfort, muscle spasm, l4l5 buldge...who knows???

hello, I had a accident like you did fireman. Did you have trouble sitting too? I still do. Im afraid to drive cause it hurts to get in my truck and twist to get out of the seat..Im afraid to get in my bobocat too. this is a long hall for me..

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Hello again, Im a 36 yr old male,I asked this question cause I was really scared , It was really painfull when it happen. I was bending over the top of a riding lawn mower and lifted it up to put a jack under it, I did it wrong and lifted with my back. we'll I felt something happen in the lower back , I said I think I pulled my back out...next thing I was on the floor having crazy spasm's, I was brought in the house and placed on the floor flat.I couldnt move without pain that would send your legs straight out.. had me in tears. I didnt move from there for 2 days then dragged myself to my bed . after another couple days I started trying to get up, I used a cane and tried to walk or at least stand up. I havent had pain in my legs, it in my lower back. after a few more days I can now walk, I still have burning in the lower. I have been going on walks and trying to stretch, I dont have insurance or I would have went to er. My dad also has a bad back ..and his. this one just scares me cause i was so laid up. Im thinking I sprained it good. i just wanted to know if it would get better on its own.

 
Old 08-09-2005, 05:32 PM   #13
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Rick, don't make the mistake I made in thinking it was all in my SI joint for over a year because a PT told me it was....after having a tumor removed from the S1 nerve root, my right hip muscle was damaged due to nerve damage....therefore, the pain that I thought was the SI has turned out to be muscular pain.....if you have weakness in your hip, try isometric exercises, flex your hip muscle, as in contract it and release it...this has helped me to strenghthen that hip muscle that is weak and gets very tight.....an extremely tight hip muscle, any one of them...can cause you to feel like it is your SI.......so treat the muscles along with the joint......

 
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Unfortunately there sometimes are no fixes. In modern society we are so used to having a solution to everything.

Just read all the postings on here from people that have been through every type of therapy including surgery and are still having problems and pain.

I have a very long history of back problems and in my meager opinion REST during the painful times and strength building exercises afterward. Often no matter what therapy is used or not used the back will get better.

As an example I had nerve encroachment in my cervical spine years ago. The pain was severe and my arms were useless. It took two years to settle down but it did. I now only have occasional pain of a less severe nature.

Although I now have permanent nerve damage the pain has lessened since nine months ago although I walk with a cane and cannot stand on my left leg. But I have to admit the pain has lessened. When there are no solutions at hand you just have to wait for nature to take it's course.

Back pain alone is the toughest to treat. Radicular pain in the leg or arms indicates nerve root compression and surgery for it is more successful in the short term. Epidural injections for radicular pain has a much higher success than for back pain alone.

I get pretty use to friends saying "I wouldn't put up with that and you should have something done" Done? Like what? More surgery, more scar tissue, more levels immobilized? My very trusted doctor just shakes her head and says you just don't have any good levels left.

I am seeing a very high profile neurosurgeon to see if an less invasive method can be used to lessen my nerve pain but I don't really think there is anything that he will be able to do. If he can it will be a miracle.

Nobody wants to hear that it can take up to 3 years for a nerve to settle down. Back pain can take a long time to relent and most patients end up at their wits end trying to hasten the process but in a lot of cases there just is no easy solution. If only there was.
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