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Old 07-01-2007, 05:36 AM   #1
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Anyone had or heard of surgery for Bulging Disk?

Just wondering if surgery is a viable option for the pain I've had for 10+ years (increasingly getting worse) from a bulging disk.

If so, what kind of surgery? I was just reading a book from the library and it is the first place I've seen mentioned that surgery is possible to remove a portion of the bulging disk causing the nerve pain.

The last time I visited my P.M. doctor, he threw out the suggestion of referring me to a surgeon within this Orthopedic center he is a part of, but he wasn't even sure if the surgeon would proceed with surgery... (he also mentioned discogram, which I assume is to find the offending disk...?) but said he hesitates to do that since it is basically a "torture" test.

Anyone had or know anyone who has had a surgery for a bulging disk?

Thanks,
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Old 07-01-2007, 06:43 AM   #2
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Re: Anyone had or heard of surgery for Bulging Disk?

See a neuro for this, not an ortho surgeon.

 
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Re: Anyone had or heard of surgery for Bulging Disk?

Hi, yes there are surgeries for discs, and I'm sure some others on this board will reply with more information for you. I've never had a discogram but I do read others stories that do say it is very painful. I recently had a nerve block done and THAT was painful!! OMG!! Luckily it was for just a few seconds. So I can imagine what the discogram feels like.

I see you've had this pain for 10 years, but how recent were your MRI's? If you've not had one recently, you probably should because alot could happen in 10 years and maybe there's more going on in there than just one disc bulge...

 
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Re: Anyone had or heard of surgery for Bulging Disk?

[QUOTE=katnipped;3074387]Just wondering if surgery is a viable option for the pain I've had for 10+ years (increasingly getting worse) from a bulging disk.

If so, what kind of surgery? I was just reading a book from the library and it is the first place I've seen mentioned that surgery is possible to remove a portion of the bulging disk causing the nerve pain.

The last time I visited my P.M. doctor, he threw out the suggestion of referring me to a surgeon within this Orthopedic center he is a part of, but he wasn't even sure if the surgeon would proceed with surgery... (he also mentioned discogram, which I assume is to find the offending disk...?) but said he hesitates to do that since it is basically a "torture" test.

Anyone had or know anyone who has had a surgery for a bulging disk?

Thanks,
Kat[/QUOTE]

Kat, my husband has a big bulging disc for at least 18 years, plus ddd like everybody else after 30, he is in pain 24/7 especially since his job does not help him in relieving pain. We went for a couple opinions and saw Doctor at Hospital for special surgeries in NYC and not one Doctor suggested surgery. They strongly suggested to read books written by Doctor Sarno. The first one is "Mind over back pain". You will open the new world of back pain and you will understand a lot how to deal with back pain without any surgery even if your nerves involved. I was stunned to learn about all that stuff. It help my husband a great deal!!!
Good luck to you and i hope you will feel better.

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Old 07-01-2007, 09:11 AM   #5
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Re: Anyone had or heard of surgery for Bulging Disk?

Some surgical options:[LIST][*]open discectomy
incision cuts thru muscle and ligamentum flavum, surgeon can see the herniation under direct vision, cuts off the bulged annulus, scar tissue seals the disc, longer recovery.[*]closed discectomy
no cutting of muscle-instead they push it aside and go thru it, need an endoscope and a TV to see the bulge, increased chance of not snipping off all of the bulge due to decreased vision, scar tissue seals the disc, short recovery.[*]laminectomy
cutting an opening or window into the lamina part of the vertebrate, increases chance of de-stabilizing the vertebrate in the future.[*]nucleotomy
removal of the nucleus part of the disc only.[/LIST]none of these are gauranteed to work or last forever and have their risks.

There are other options such as devices that can be implanted to try to stabilize the offending segment:[LIST][*]dynesis[*]x-stop[*]ADR's (artificial disc replacements) pro-disc, maverick, etc[/LIST]

 
Old 07-01-2007, 12:10 PM   #6
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Re: Anyone had or heard of surgery for Bulging Disk?

[QUOTE=mknudson;3074442]See a neuro for this, not an ortho surgeon.[/QUOTE]

What is the difference? How do I differentiate one from the other? (a certain type of degree?)

 
Old 07-01-2007, 12:27 PM   #7
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Hey Moldova, Remarkably, I just so happen to have one of Sarnos' books checked out from the library. When I picked it up to skim through it though, it seemed rather wordy and complicated and I gathered from the guy's philosophy that the pain is psychosomatic and I can just out-think it.

I guess I was kind of immediately turned off by that suggestion since I haven't spent 10 years of pain just thinking about it or even reacting to it. For the longest time, I wasn't even really "aware" I had "back" pain per se because a lot of it is mostly nerve-related in my lower back, gluteals, and foot and it was just an annoyance and didn't seem to have any real trigger point or source.

But, since I'm retired now and not being required to sit so much (which only furthers the pain), I've been able to devote time in fighting it with physical therapy, consistent exercise/stretching, epidurals, medicine - none of which have helped much but maybe some.

I picked up the book again after I read your post, but I'm still just a little aggravated by the guy's insinuation that much like pavlov's dog, I am creating my own pain. If I had been actively pursuing these treatments all along, perhaps maybe but I can't tell you how relieved I was that the MRI even showed a bulge. For years, I guess I had been chiding my own self into thinking there was no physical cause.

Have I oversimplified Sarnos' idealogy/program of treatment?? I just can't
seem to get into the meat of what is so remarkable about the book...?

Kat

 
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Re: Anyone had or heard of surgery for Bulging Disk?

[QUOTE=Baybreeze;3074478]Hi, yes there are surgeries for discs, and I'm sure some others on this board will reply with more information for you. I've never had a discogram but I do read others stories that do say it is very painful. I recently had a nerve block done and THAT was painful!! OMG!! Luckily it was for just a few seconds. So I can imagine what the discogram feels like.

I see you've had this pain for 10 years, but how recent were your MRI's? If you've not had one recently, you probably should because alot could happen in 10 years and maybe there's more going on in there than just one disc bulge...[/QUOTE]

I've had the epidurals and medial branch blocks (those really hurt a lot more than the epidurals for some reason) and the guy I go to doesn't give me any kind of relaxant during the procedures... from other posts, it seems people do get those... Did the nerve block just hurt when they gave it to you? did you get any relief afterwards?

I had the MRI probably about six months ago. For years I didn't pursue any course of action against the pain. It was just so hard to explain and didn't seem to have any origin that I wasn't sure I could even communicate the problem, plus I was working in a horrendously high-pressured job that just didn't really let me think about anything else than getting through the day.

I'm retired now and was committed to becoming healthier and devoting more time to exercise and learning about nutrition, but the more I was exercising the more it became apparent that back problems were getting in my way!

That's when I started to pursue treatment. Doctor started me with physical therapy, then the MRI, then the P.M. referral who set me off on the "shots" routine that seems so common in this forum. I was kinda surprised he mentioned surgery at this juncture. before he had said acupuncture or prolotherapy might be the next step. Plus, it seems from reading other posts that the docs like to keep you on the shots routine for years and years

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Old 07-01-2007, 12:41 PM   #9
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Re: Anyone had or heard of surgery for Bulging Disk?

Paul from CA,

That is really good and helpful information you gave me there. Thanks for providing that.

Kat

 
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Re: Anyone had or heard of surgery for Bulging Disk?

Yes, the nerve block hurt like heck! But only for a few seconds until they completely numbed the area. That was just over 3 weeks ago and so far I still have no sciatic pain. I guess they found the exact spot it was coming from. Last year I also had a series of epidurals and for those I was twilight sedated and felt nothing.

It sounds like your docs have been trying treatments that would be routine, such as PT, injections, etc...that's usually how it goes and surgery would be the last step. I guess it wouldnt hurt to try accupuncture or prolotherapy (I have no idea what this is). And if your quality of life is being affected too much by pain, you will know when or if it's time for surgery.

 
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Re: Anyone had or heard of surgery for Bulging Disk?

Neurosurgeon versus orthodedic surgeon. Their specific field of expertise. It should be noted in their phone listing.

I would go to the neuro because they would be working around nerves. The disc is pressing against a nerve root and that is why you are having pain. If I had a broken bone or any joint issues I would see an ortho, but for a spinal disc, its a neuro all the way.

 
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How far does your disc bulge out?? If over 5MM might want to start looking into fusion surgery. It sounds like it is already hitting some nerves. With the discogram they can determine if disc is leaking and what it is leaking on. If not leaking you won't feel much during the test, just pressure. If it is leaking it will be more pain than you have felt in a long time. It is worth it. It can direct your doctor in the direction he needs to go as far as surgery. I never got any pain relief from the EPI's. They were a waste of time for me and just caused more pain. They also have micro fusion surgeries now. Less invasive and the healing time is suppose to be less. They can also take out the hardware the same way. I had a double open front/back fusion 21 months ago. Now need second surgery. Not everything works, but is does work according to what's out there, 80-90% of the time. Just be satisfied in your own mine what you do is right and it is what you want to do. Good Luck

 
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Re: Anyone had or heard of surgery for Bulging Disk?

[COLOR="DarkRed"][B]The correct answer is spine specialist ! [/B][/COLOR][QUOTE=mknudson;3074442]See a neuro for this, not an ortho surgeon.[/QUOTE]

 
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[QUOTE=shawley;3075744][COLOR="DarkRed"][B]The correct answer is spine specialist ! [/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

So, what is a spine specialist and how would i know? These surgeons at the "umbrella" orthopedic center are under the Spine Institute and everything on the website about them seems to only be related to Spine issues....

 
Old 07-02-2007, 08:34 AM   #15
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Hello , Yes I agree with this shawley fella... I had an open discectomy done by an orthopedic surgeon 6 weeks ago and he was great. The scar was a bit HUGE but my leg pain is 99% gone for now. Who knows what the future will bring.
I think if your leg and back pain prevent you from going out and doing stuff such as working , walking , shopping then you need to consider the operation. If its just a minor pain then maybe try to avoid surgery.
good luck and let us know.

 
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