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Old 07-16-2007, 11:59 AM   #1
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Back pain (Dr. thought kidney stones) hip pain - pubic bone popped

I had a serious kidney infection out of the blue. Then after feeling much better after being on Cipro for 1 1/2 weeks, I started getting pain in my back & right side. I went to the MD who said due to blood in urine that it was kidney stones. I was sent home with a scheduled CT scan. (had it today). I ended up having bad cramping in the pelvic/groin region (the pain had moved down a bit. Not much side pain at all). I had an appointment with my DO for an manipulation/adjustment for a non-related neck issue. When he heard about the kidney stone diagnosis, he checked my lower back & said that it was a mess. He advised me not to get the CT scan since I didn't have insurance (I did anyway just for my own piece of mind.). He did some manipulation for my lower back & my pubic bone popped. It hurt & I yelled out (I am embarrassed to say that I did that - I try not be a sissy about pain). He said I needed to come back in next week, but he's gone so I won't be able to see him for 3 weeks. It is still very sore deep down in my hip & groin area, and down my lower back & down my butt. Sometimes it gets crampy. And their are poking/stabbing pains in my lower pelvic area, above my pubic bone.

Has anyone else had these issues? Has anyone had their pubic bone popped like that? I really did not like that & I hope he does not do that again. I don't know if I should worry since I was born with congenital hip displacement.... Should I keep having these adjustments? It's bothering me & I am tired of it! Any info or advice would be greatly appreciated.

 
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Old 07-16-2007, 02:42 PM   #2
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Re: Back pain (Dr. thought kidney stones) hip pain - pubic bone popped

Hi Huckle and welcome, i have a couple of questions for you, did thay rule out the stones yet, because it sounds typical of kidney stones, and also I know you were seeing the chiro for other reasons, but you should leave him alone until you find out what is really going on with your back. So, they did a ct of your kidneys or back? I am just curious thats all. I hope and pray that you start to feel better, but if stones or ruled out you may want to see a spine doc. I wish you the best

 
Old 07-16-2007, 03:27 PM   #3
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Re: Back pain (Dr. thought kidney stones) hip pain - pubic bone popped

Thank you for the welcome! I posted some things about my kidney endevors in the Kidney Disorder section, in case anyone's curious....

After talking to my DO (he's an osteapath Dr., not a chiro), I think maybe it's true & my problems are with my back, I just don't know. The osteapath told me that my pain was too low for kidney stones. He also told me the pain wouldn't come and go, it would be constant. I don't know, the MD seemed pretty sure it was kidney stones... But the osteapath felt my back was messed up & causing my issues. I think he either thought I wasn't in enough pain or something. But I am on Vicodiin! Anyway...

The CT scan was for the kidney stones. No back issues. I went through lower back issues about 6 or 7 years ago, and I am not going through all this again. I just started doing yoga & I felt so much better. Not sure what is going on now, though.

So what should I do if the CT scan comes back negative for stones? I would then assume that it is back trouble... I was planning on just going back to the osteopath for adjustments. But is that not what I should do? He just feels around on my back & then tells me what to do when & rubs my muscles & cracks me. But I did not like that pubic bone popping. Did anyone else ever have that done?

I was wondering if anyone felt like this & had the same issues.

 
Old 07-16-2007, 05:05 PM   #4
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Re: Back pain (Dr. thought kidney stones) hip pain - pubic bone popped

If it comes back negative I would follow up with a spinal surgeon or orthopedic with a speciality in spines. They take 2 years of specialized training in spines.

Good luck and until I saw a specialist I would personally stay away from the osteo/chiro doctor. Just my 2 cents.

 
Old 07-16-2007, 06:48 PM   #5
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Re: Back pain (Dr. thought kidney stones) hip pain - pubic bone popped

[QUOTE=123dietdrpepper;3102583]If it comes back negative I would follow up with a spinal surgeon or orthopedic with a speciality in spines. They take 2 years of specialized training in spines.

Good luck and until I saw a specialist I would personally stay away from the osteo/chiro doctor. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]

Why? I am just curious.... I thought they specialize in bones & the spine, too?

 
Old 07-16-2007, 06:51 PM   #6
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Re: Back pain (Dr. thought kidney stones) hip pain - pubic bone popped

Has anyone had their pubic bone popped like that? Does anyone have pelvic pain & back pain like this? Does anyone know what could cause these symptoms if it's not kidneys?

 
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Re: Back pain (Dr. thought kidney stones) hip pain - pubic bone popped

I assume you are asking about the chiro/osteo? They believe in manipulating the spine and this is not always the best thing to do if you have an underlying problem. You risk permament damage. I think if a spinal surgeon has said that you don't have a spinal injury/problem then by all means try a chiro if it brings you relief.

There have been many discussions on this board concerning this and you could do a search on chiro's and read where people have had permament damage as a result of manipulations and treatment by chiro's.

Just my beliefs and opinions. Good luck and I pray you find some relief soon.

 
Old 07-16-2007, 10:46 PM   #8
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Re: Back pain (Dr. thought kidney stones) hip pain - pubic bone popped

Hi there. I think there is some confusion. HuckleB is seeing a DO. which is a Osteo Doctor.. not a chiro. Osteo's try to heal people by more hollistic approaches than the average doctor might and generally deal with the whole body.

The creme' dala creme' for spine doctors is a spine surgeon (Ortho or Neuro). It does not sound as though your issues are spine related (per your own words). This particular board relates to lumbar and thorasic spine issues, and I'm not sure you will find much help for your issues either. Sorry.

I do hope that you get some answers. Best of luck to you.
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Old 07-17-2007, 05:36 AM   #9
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Re: Back pain (Dr. thought kidney stones) hip pain - pubic bone popped

[QUOTE=Justoneofus;3103108]Hi there. I think there is some confusion. HuckleB is seeing a DO. which is a Osteo Doctor.. not a chiro. Osteo's try to heal people by more hollistic approaches than the average doctor might and generally deal with the whole body.

The creme' dala creme' for spine doctors is a spine surgeon (Ortho or Neuro). It does not sound as though your issues are spine related (per your own words). This particular board relates to lumbar and thorasic spine issues, and I'm not sure you will find much help for your issues either. Sorry.

I do hope that you get some answers. Best of luck to you.[/QUOTE]

I am sorry for the confusion. This is all new to me. The osteo has been treating me for this pinched nerve in my shoulder that is causing pain in my neck/shoulder/back & headaches. Now he says my lower back is messed up. This must be a muscle/nerve issue too.

I guess I am in the wrong spot. I thought this board was for "back problems" which I have. Please direct me to which board on this site I would use to post my issues.

Thanks.

 
Old 07-17-2007, 11:05 PM   #10
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Re: Back pain (Dr. thought kidney stones) hip pain - pubic bone popped

I apologize if you were offended by my post. That was not my intent at all. Your post was so overwhelmed with other issues and of pelvic and pubic pain.. with little emphasis on any lower spine issues at all, I assumed you were looking for information regarding pelvic and pubic pain.

You seem to to have a mixed bag of things goin on there at one time. Whether they are related is yet to be determined.

You are being treated for a shoulder issue, which is now causing you pain in your neck and back, etc.. and your doctor says your lower back is messed up. What exactly does that mean? Has this doctor done any diagnostic work on you? An Xray of your shoulder, an MRI of your total spine, since you have issues above and low? Insured or not, I don't see how a doctor can diagnose without the proper tools to diagnose. (I saw a Chiro "many" moons ago that did this sort of thing and I ended up so much worse off because of it and lost a lot of money out of my pocket in the process.)

If it were me personally based on what you have described, I would be getting a second opinion with some proper testing.

All the best to you.
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Old 07-18-2007, 02:45 AM   #11
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Re: Back pain (Dr. thought kidney stones) hip pain - pubic bone popped

I have had the cervical x-ray (I have never seen the actual x-ray, but I guess he looked at it before he started the adjustments on my neck), but nothing for my lower back. He just felt around & said it was a mess. He said something about me being a woman who had children & said something about ligaments.

I think when the info comes back from the scan on my kidney stones, which I don't believe I have, then I will make an appointment with my MD & explain that I am not comfortable with the adjustments. I was sent to the osteo by my regular doctor when Mobic & Skelaxin did not work. Maybe there is something else they can do.

Sorry about posting the pubic bone stuff here. I thought it was connected to my sacrum, which I thought was part of my back. I am not offended, I just don't know where to go to figure this all out.

 
Old 07-18-2007, 10:53 PM   #12
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Did he just do an Xray.. you know the traditional FILM type? You need more than that for checking any disc issue. An xray is just a basic (pardon the pun) "bare bones" picture. Doesn't show much. An MRI will tell them alot more.

You need not apologize at all, and your sacrum IS part of your lower lumbar. WE can all certainly understand your frustration and it often takes quite a bit of "ruling things out" before we get our issues truly identified.

If you are on an HMO.. I would go by to the GP and ask to be referred to orthopaedic surgeon. Since you haven't really been given a diagnosis yet, I don't know that you NEED to be see a spine specialist yet, but they are the GO TO folks for serious spine issues. I think to get an initial peek at.. a regular Ortho would be just fine. Shoot, even your GP could order the MRI for you. Then if something shows up.. then he/she can refer you to a specialist post MRI. There's a thought.

On an initial MRI being done of the spine.. they often film the entire spine. But once done, then they more often then focus on what ever region the patient may have an issue at. It's divided into 3 sections, cervical, thorasic and lower lumbar.

I do hope that you get some answers and relief to your pain.
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Old 07-19-2007, 03:42 AM   #13
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Re: Back pain (Dr. thought kidney stones) hip pain - pubic bone popped

You could have a really tight hip flexor and/or your performus area (side buttocks) could be really tight which can result in pelvic pain as well! My husband is a Physical Therapist trained in Orthopedics Specialty Practice...he doesn't have a great view of chiros either but they have worked for my neck pain well in the past. I do agree that when I went to the chiro when my back pain first started I felt worse after...point being manipulations will not help two herniated dics. I haven't got my hip to pop yet but I really wish I could...in my case it feels locked and if it would just pop I think it would feel better...if you notice when you push on your hip/pelvic/butt area and it hurts or feels bruised it is most likely muscular related. Try taking some advil or NSAID that will reduce the inflammation in the area (800mg is Rx strength). Also, look up some good stretches for those areas and heat/ice/heat/ice...it gets old really quick but even being on narcotics it's the only way I can manage the pain in that area since my fusion.

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Old 07-19-2007, 05:22 AM   #14
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Re: Back pain (Dr. thought kidney stones) hip pain - pubic bone popped

I haven't had an MRI. I had problems with my sacrum about 7 years ago. I had an MRI of the lumbar then. They didn't find anything wrong then. I don't have insurance so I doubt I will do an MRI. Besides, my "pinched nerve" problem the osteo said is causing the muscle that is triangular that goes from my neck down to my shoulder & then it hurts down my back. He said it's really "stringy" or fiberous or something like that. He puts down cervical & thorasic in my chart. I am not as concerned about that as much as I am about this lower back/pelvic problem. It got bad again yesterday afternoon. It does not hurt when I push anywhere... It is hurting all over & it really stinks!!! I have lost more weight, I think another 2 lbs, which gets me up to 15 lbs lost in about 4 weeks. (No complaints about that!!) Anyway, it was cramping again last night, and I REALLY hate that. I am still waiting to hear about the CT. I will post what I hear....

 
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Re: Back pain (Dr. thought kidney stones) hip pain - pubic bone popped

I just wanted to let everyone know that my CT scan came back with a calcification in the ureter, so it seems to be a stone. Sorry to bother you all with this back pain, seems a kidney/urinary tract issue. I just couldn't believe that it would cause pain all over like it does. It has progressively gotten worse & I am having a hard time dealing. But I am getting ready to go get some more pain meds which do help. I think this stone is causing such havoc in my body that my muscles are tensing up & I think that has even possibly caused the pinched nerve in my shoulder, since most of all the pain is on the left side, but seems to radiate to the right in my lower back/pelvis area, and my "pinched nerve" is on my left side too. Anyway, thanks for all your help & insight.

 
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