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Old 10-26-2007, 08:17 AM   #1
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back pain mystery.

hi this is my first post, i have had back pain for 6 years since it initiai ly went.started with a sharp pain down left side and then numbness in left butt and mild sciatica for a couple of years.about a year ago i had a sharp pain down right side then no sciatica down right side but the right butt muscle hurts all the time as does the left side.i had an mri scan and the doctor said i didn't need an op, but my life is slowly becoming unbearable, all the things i loved to do i don't anymore, due to anxiety about my chronic back pain.all i can tell you is that i have a narrowed l5 disc and that my back is real stiff in the morning and that the muscle in my backside never relax,sometimes they twitch but it never lasts or ends in a relaxd muscle feeling.i am trying self help from the sarah keys back pain bible, ie stretches, my back feels so stiff and hurts in the centre now.i have been on incapacity for 3 years due to the depression and anxiety,.the book seems positive but i dont want to hurt myself more.

 
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Old 10-26-2007, 08:29 AM   #2
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Re: back pain mystery.

Have you considered that your pelvis might be misaligned?

Sounds like your generalised back pain could be due to twisted hips, which is putting unnecessary pressure on your spine and the muscles supporting it.

It doesn't matter how much you stretch - if those bones are not in proper alignment the muscles will tighten up to compensate for the structural instability.

Have you thought of buying a backchamp? Could really benefit you. There are lots of exercises you can do to straighten out your hips.

I can bet that you probably have weak abdominal muscles, tight hamstrings and tight piriformis and psoas muscles. All these need to be stretched daily and you need to work on that core on a daily basis (plank exercises are very good) You should also be swimming a couple of times a week - front crawl or back stroke (not breast stroke - does nothing to strengthen your back)

First priority for you I would say is check your alignment! Get that sorted and you are on the first step to a pain free back. Take it slowly and you will get there.

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Old 10-26-2007, 12:08 PM   #3
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Re: back pain mystery.

hi thanks jeff for the reply, should i try a chiro or a osteopath to check alignment? the exercises sound good is there any info online about them. also i checked the backchamp out and it looks interesting.i have tjght hams weak abs and the piroformus muscle hurts all the time and feels weak, the psoas muscle is around there too, the muscles often twich like mad but no lasting relief comes from that.i thought it might be a disc problem as L5 has narrowed some, but from the meds the docs(anti depressants mild dose) were trying to put me on it seems fibromyalgia was the cause.

 
Old 10-26-2007, 01:47 PM   #4
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Re: back pain mystery.

The disc problem is secondary really to the muscle imbalance. I have a disc problem which I am being operated on for in two weeks from years of playing tennis and not thinking.

To me it sounds like your body is out of alignment, just like mine was.

I would perhaps consult a good osteopath or chiropractor who knows what they are talking about. BUT don't get reliant on them as it's up to you to sort yourself out.

You can do backchamp exercise yourself. Here's how I straighten my hips out:

1. Lie on the floor on your back with both legs lying down. Bend your right leg up at the knee and bring towards the chest and grab behind knee with both hands. Then push down with your right leg, resisting against your hands. Your knee should not move. Do this for ten seconds and then do the same for left. Repeat five times each side.

2. Again lying on your back bend your right knee and place your right foot on the floor. Your left leg is straight while your right leg is bent. Now imagine pushing along the length of the femur (the upper leg) so that your right foot is pressed into the floor (might need trainers on for this!). Your right hip may raise off the ground slightly. Hold for 10 seconds. This is a gentle movement remember! Repeat for left side and then do five each side.

3. Grab something to squeeze between your legs. Lie on your back with both knees bent. Now put something between your legs (like a couple of pillows or a small stability ball) and squeeze in. Your legs should not move, but keep squeezing for ten seconds.

Now grab a leather belt and fasten it. Put it around your knees and then push out with your legs against the belt. Hold for ten.

Repeat with the squeezing exercise, and then repeat with the leather belt.



These exercises are muscle energy exercises and retrain the muscles of your hips to hold a proper alignment so there is not so much imbalance between the right and left side of your body. You might need to do it for a week to notice the change, but I noticed a significant difference straight away. I would do these exercises twice a day and see how it goes. It might not work for you, but it's worth trying! These exercises will reap more rewards and are less traumatic for the body than being cracked by a chiropractor.

Once you have done these for a week, move on to core training and gentle stretching. Need to get your glutes strong too to help support your spine. Get in the swimming pool!

 
Old 10-26-2007, 10:08 PM   #5
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Re: back pain mystery.

Hi Jeff. With all do respect of the other poster.. (maybe it's a lingo issue that i have misunderstood the poster) but you should NOT be sorting this out on your own and for someone to say that to you when they are about to have spine surgery is hypocrisy. Sorry, but that is the truth as I see it.

When was the last time you were seen by an spine doctor? You have serious issues going on there, and with respect to the other poster.. You should NOT be doing ANY exercises on your own without FIRST BEING SEEN by a SPINE DOCTOR (which a chiropractor is NOT) and being more properly diagnosed and a physician directed treatment plan.

Has anyone put you into a physical therapy program? The other poster did make some good points about your core muscles needing to be a strong as possible and it is possible that you may have piriformis and/or even hip alignment issues going on as well. BUT,since you dont really know these are issues for you and you "do know" you have disc issues, I would be dealing with your most serious and vulnerable issue at hand, which is your spine, then deal with anyother issues after.

As you've said it yourself, you've been trying to exercise on your own and it's not really worked to date, so you really need to be under the careful watch of a good physician (NOT a chiro) and get into seeing a spine physical therapist to help you further.

Please, I encourage you to seek out an spine doctor in your area and go from there. Self treatment can lead to further problems.

Depression is very common with chronic pain and you are by no means alone. Just about every poster on here knows exactly where you are coming from on this. There are natural remedies to help you with depression and also medications that can also help you through rougher spots that many of encounter, and the also help with nerve pain down the legs at the same time. You do not need to suffer and should not when there are lots of things out there to help you.

All the best to you and please keep us posted on how you are doing.
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Old 10-27-2007, 02:58 AM   #6
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Re: back pain mystery.

I as well encourage you to seek out a spine specialist and have your case reviewed. You might even consider a second opinion and have some updated xrays/mri. Alot can change in three years.

Sometimes exercising can aggravate matters and I would hate to see you make things worse. Good luck and please keep us posted.

 
Old 10-27-2007, 06:33 AM   #7
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Re: back pain mystery.

thanks for the replys, the trouble is the doctors in the uk dont seem to want or maybe have funding to help me other than anti inflamitariers or anti depressants.i have the malinger response from them, it took ages to get an mri, only got it when i went private for a cortisone injection into the sacroilliac joint that made no difference,the orthopedic surgeon felt sorry for me and took me on as a nhs patient. so looks like i have to try and help myself,i hate going to the doctors now i get the same response everytime.it is crazy one doctor said i was geting older( im 35) and another when the problem started with siatica said get on with it, as i can see now if they had helpd me properly in the first place i wouldnt be on long term benifits and would of cost them less in the end,sorry for going on im realy frustrated,.i have spent nearly 1000 pound on alternative therapys and am realy reluctant to spend more unless they are highly regarded.will try jeffs exercises and others from my book will be carefull.thanks guys

 
Old 10-27-2007, 06:50 AM   #8
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Re: back pain mystery.

Hi Justone,

I was merely replying to this poster who appears to have little luck with the medical profession.

A surgeon can certainly treat the symptoms of a bad back ie. alleviate a slipped disc and the pressure on the nerve, but at the end of the day, you yourself as the sufferer have to take responsibility for the health of your back and not be reliant on injections/surgery.

I have been a very active sportsman for more than 20 years and have done all kinds of crazy things to my body - hence now why I have injured my spine and have a herniated disc. The doctor can treat that disc, but I could well go on injuring my spine again and again if I didn't think about my posture, alignment and core strength.

I would disagree with you. I think that taking responsibility for your own back is the first step towards a full recovery for chronic sufferers. I can understand not doing anything major, but I don't see how jumping in a swimming pool and doing a few lengths could be considered dangerous!

All I am trying to say is that every time someone gets a twinge in their back or pain, it doesn't mean they should be phoning the nearest spinal surgeon or consultant. Back pain is very much a consequence of modern western lifestyle which constantly crumples our backs into abnormal positions (eg driving, sitting on a couch) rather than keeping it elongated as nature intended. Back pain is very rare in developing or indigenous populations, and is mainly a western problem!

I would say that I am one hundred times better than I was two years ago when I knew nothing about the kind of exercises I needed to be doing to look after my back.

Any good chiropractor will also tell you that pelvic alignment is a massive cause of back pain! It is very easy to realign yourself and is in no way dangerous.

I would say doing the right kind of exercises is key. Lots of swimming and core strengthening is important.

Yes, sort out a herniated disc if you have one, and have surgery if it is necessary, but ultimately it is up to you to look after your back because it's yours and no-one else's. In my view there is no magic wand and no surgeon can ever tell me that he can eliminate any amount of back pain.

I am having surgery because the disc is permanently prolapsed and no amount of physical therapy will make it shrink back. I am no way a hypocrite however for combining surgery with a lifestyle that promotes a healthy spine.

Unfortunately spinal surgeons don't have all the answers and surgery should only ever be a last resort.

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Old 10-27-2007, 09:09 AM   #9
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Re: back pain mystery.

[QUOTE=jeffengland81;3278069]Hi Justone,

I was merely replying to this poster who appears to have little luck with the medical profession.

A surgeon can certainly treat the symptoms of a bad back ie. alleviate a slipped disc and the pressure on the nerve, but at the end of the day, you yourself as the sufferer have to take responsibility for the health of your back and not be reliant on injections/surgery.

I have been a very active sportsman for more than 20 years and have done all kinds of crazy things to my body - hence now why I have injured my spine and have a herniated disc. The doctor can treat that disc, but I could well go on injuring my spine again and again if I didn't think about my posture, alignment and core strength.

I would disagree with you. I think that taking responsibility for your own back is the first step towards a full recovery for chronic sufferers. I can understand not doing anything major, but I don't see how jumping in a swimming pool and doing a few lengths could be considered dangerous!

All I am trying to say is that every time someone gets a twinge in their back or pain, it doesn't mean they should be phoning the nearest spinal surgeon or consultant. Back pain is very much a consequence of modern western lifestyle which constantly crumples our backs into abnormal positions (eg driving, sitting on a couch) rather than keeping it elongated as nature intended. Back pain is very rare in developing or indigenous populations, and is mainly a western problem!

I would say that I am one hundred times better than I was two years ago when I knew nothing about the kind of exercises I needed to be doing to look after my back.

Any good chiropractor will also tell you that pelvic alignment is a massive cause of back pain! It is very easy to realign yourself and is in no way dangerous.

I would say doing the right kind of exercises is key. Lots of swimming and core strengthening is important.

Yes, sort out a herniated disc if you have one, and have surgery if it is necessary, but ultimately it is up to you to look after your back because it's yours and no-one else's. In my view there is no magic wand and no surgeon can ever tell me that he can eliminate any amount of back pain.

I am having surgery because the disc is permanently prolapsed and no amount of physical therapy will make it shrink back. I am no way a hypocrite however for combining surgery with a lifestyle that promotes a healthy spine.

Unfortunately spinal surgeons don't have all the answers and surgery should only ever be a last resort.[/QUOTE]



Well, I respectfully have to disagree with you on some of your statements. A surgeon cannot wave a magic wand, no, but then can perform surgery on carefully selected patients that need it. Naturally there is no 100% gurantee that you will feel 100% better than you do now. But to the chronic pain sufferer even 75% is MUCH better.

And you are right each and every one of us is responsible for our health, and for taking care of our bodies. But that is coupled with genetics, and many other things. Some people have spine problems due to accidents beyond their control. It is not just a black and white way of looking at things, they are grey areas there.

If you are working with good quality doctors that don't rush to do surgery then that is the first step in my opinion. I cannot imagine ANYONE choosing back problems over having a healthy back.

Lori

 
Old 10-27-2007, 11:02 AM   #10
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Re: back pain mystery.

Hi Lori

Yes I would wholeheartedly agree with you that surgery can work wonders.
For some people it is indeed the only option.

But even after surgery back care is crucial for the rest of your life. One way or another we all have to realise that we will have this weakness forever and that it needs a bit of TLC.

I would argue that there are a whole load of people however who complain of back pain when there is no need if they just took some simple precautions i.e. sitting up straight, bending at the knee to lift, and strengthening their core muscles.

 
Old 10-30-2007, 11:04 PM   #11
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Re: back pain mystery.

Hi again. Jeffengland, I believe you were offended by my post, and for that I apologize. You did not need to defend yourself about your pending surgery. The way I read your post to this poster was that he should basically dismiss medical assistance and take matters into his own hands when you are about to have surgery yourself. In that light, that is hypocrisy.

We all DO need to advocate for ourselves. Which states my original point to the poster. In being responsible for himself, he should continue to find a doctor that will run some updated tests, evaluate and treat him, which will more likely include a exercise program by a medical professional that knows what type of exercises he should be doing that will be the most effective with the least risk of further injury.

For the original poster, I still recommend finding a good spine specialist to be properly diagnosed and treatment plan. I wish you wellness. Please keep us posted on how you are doing. All the best to you.
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Old 10-31-2007, 08:27 AM   #12
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Re: back pain mystery.

Hi Justone

Glad we cleared that up!

I think that a lot of back sufferers like this poster feel like they are banging their head against a brick wall with some doctors when it comes to back pain!

 
Old 04-09-2008, 03:29 AM   #13
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Re: back pain mystery.

Hi Im from New Zealand. I so feel for you. I am the same. But I hope that I may give you some hope or direction. PS I have never computerised before. For me it started in 1987. I felt this pain down the left leg. I went to my doctor thinking it might be varicous veins. HE said no, what happened in the last 2 weeks. I remembered sneezing. ...........lACC accepted my claim.

20 years later.....After every scan, therapy, dye,MRI,bonescane, you name it a doctor said he would perform an exploritory proceedure. Private of course...

After many years of back Specialists and each one thought with my symptoms it must be a disc problem but onMRI My back seemed to be fine. But I must tell you that my back in the last say 10 years is as bad as my leg.
I did have an operatation for piroformus syndrome. Very rare. My specialist decided he could investigate. thanks to private insurance. He thankfully did find that my sciatic nerve was pressing on my prirformus muscel. He even took photos. I was amazed that it was as thick as your middle finger.

Any way that was 2005. But I'm sorry to say that I'm still suffering just as much and I know your pain like I know mine. Sorry to be no help but this is the first time I've emailed and I'ts the biggest thing in my life apart from my family. Please get back to me. Thanks . Shelley. I used to be able to type!

Sorry I don't know how to add but I must state that my back is really bad and I wear a velcroe back support every night yet they say its reffered pain.

I might have said this already but I dont know how to read my letter. I just know what to press so Good night from me to you who knows.

 
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