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Old 03-09-2011, 02:58 PM   #31
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Re: Dr. refuses to give me pain meds for chronic back pain! help!

Noffkin, you have encouraged the medical fraternity to treat you badly. You now have persistant pain. You seem to have had multiple diagnostic tests and multiple health care doctors, and worse still contemplating more tests with more doctors. You have allowed yourself to really believe you have something wrong. Your back healed eighteen months ago and there is nothing presently injured in your back. Stop trying to find out the source of the pain, it can't be done. It is unfortunate that many health professionals encourage persistant pain by not dealing with it properly. Remember, hard as it is to believe, pain does not equate with damage. Its time you took control of you life and not the health pros who only diagnose something they cant. Get you life into a routine, do something more physical every day and get moving. Find a therapist who can explain persistant pain and its affect on the brain. No more scans, mris, exrays, radiation is not good for you. Niether is taking medication for months or years.
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Re: Dr. refuses to give me pain meds for chronic back pain! help!

Well I only had the MRI last month, which indicated that there is a problem. And I am pretty physical, I am a full time art student, and work over 30hours a week most weeks, so I have a routine and I don't just sit around all day looking for someone to pity me! I am just looking for someone who is willing to help make my pain tolerable on a daily basis, and I have been seeing so many doctors trying to find one that is willing to do so. I admit sometimes my pain is so bad i can't even get out of bed much less be able to do something physical. Obviously what I am going through is much different from what you did because the just deal with it option doesn't work for me

 
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Re: Dr. refuses to give me pain meds for chronic back pain! help!

[QUOTE=noffkn25;4702746]Well I only had the MRI last month, which indicated that there is a problem. And I am pretty physical, I am a full time art student, and work over 30hours a week most weeks, so I have a routine and I don't just sit around all day looking for someone to pity me! I am just looking for someone who is willing to help make my pain tolerable on a daily basis, and I have been seeing so many doctors trying to find one that is willing to do so. I admit sometimes my pain is so bad i can't even get out of bed much less be able to do something physical. Obviously what I am going through is much different from what you did because the just deal with it option doesn't work for me[/QUOTE]

If 100 people symptomless people had a MRI every one would indicate they had a problem or multiple problems when in fact they never had any symptoms.
You say

"I am just looking for someone who is willing to help make my pain tolerable on a daily basis, and I have been seeing so many doctors trying to find one that is willing to do so".

Remember the more you see the more it is implanted in your brain that you need a diagnosis. Do you really think you will see some miracle spine specialist and he will look at your MRI or whatever and he will do something miraculous. The only thing these doctors can do is operate, and once you get on that track,well you get the picture. Find a therapist who understands persistant pain, get him or her to set you on a program. No more specialists and scans.
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Re: Dr. refuses to give me pain meds for chronic back pain! help!

You seem to think I have seen several doctors, I have my primary doctor, the jerk pain specialist I went to 3 times, and have now been passed on to a neurosurgeon...so that is 3, and only 2 specialists. I also have to have a diagnosis since my injury which u seem to think doesn't exist was caused by a car accident and the law suit I am in with the girl who hit me requires a diagnosis before a settlement can be reached. I have seen a therapist in the past with no result, but just as you seem to think that all the tests wont do any good and aren't the answer, therapy is not the answer for everyone, and for those of us who it doesn't help, its not worth going back for more "talking" no thank you

 
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Re: Dr. refuses to give me pain meds for chronic back pain! help!

[QUOTE=noffkn25;4699367]No I haven't tried that, im going to have to see what the surgeon says because neither my pain or primary doctors will give me anything else for the pain until I see the surgeon! Which I find ridiculous! Im not sure what the deal is with my lawyer, I think that he thinks it will look bad in the law suit that we are starting with the stupid girl who hit me with her car![/QUOTE]

Neurontin is amazing and I mean unbelievable for spinal pain!

 
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Re: Dr. refuses to give me pain meds for chronic back pain! help!

[QUOTE=james079;4702717]Noffkin, you have encouraged the medical fraternity to treat you badly. You now have persistant pain. You seem to have had multiple diagnostic tests and multiple health care doctors, and worse still contemplating more tests with more doctors. You have allowed yourself to really believe you have something wrong. Your back healed eighteen months ago and there is nothing presently injured in your back. Stop trying to find out the source of the pain, it can't be done. It is unfortunate that many health professionals encourage persistant pain by not dealing with it properly. Remember, hard as it is to believe, pain does not equate with damage. Its time you took control of you life and not the health pros who only diagnose something they cant. Get you life into a routine, do something more physical every day and get moving. Find a therapist who can explain persistant pain and its affect on the brain. No more scans, mris, exrays, radiation is not good for you. Niether is taking medication for months or years.
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Excuse me, but what is that: her back healed 18 months ago? How is there nothing presently injured in her back if an MRI showed herniated discs? And why can't the source of pain be found? My hindend it can't be found. You pretty much make it sound like this girl is in pain because she makes her brain think it is, and that is messed up buddy.

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Re: Dr. refuses to give me pain meds for chronic back pain! help!

[QUOTE=james079;4702782]If 100 people symptomless people had a MRI every one would indicate they had a problem or multiple problems when in fact they never had any symptoms.
You say

"I am just looking for someone who is willing to help make my pain tolerable on a daily basis, and I have been seeing so many doctors trying to find one that is willing to do so".

Remember the more you see the more it is implanted in your brain that you need a diagnosis. Do you really think you will see some miracle spine specialist and he will look at your MRI or whatever and he will do something miraculous. The only thing these doctors can do is operate, and once you get on that track,well you get the picture. Find a therapist who understands persistant pain, get him or her to set you on a program. No more specialists and scans.
James[/QUOTE]

Yeah it is possible that someone can make your pain tolerable on a daily basis. I'm with you, it was so bad I couldn't take it. I'm taking 300mg of neurontin every day and the pain is unbelievably better. Not one horrible day yet since the doctor prescribed it. The difference is like night and day. Do not let him get you down, there are things that can help you, and you should not have to sit there and suffer it out to make anyone happy. The problem you have is that your doctors have failed to do what they need to do to help you. They are unwilling to give you narcotics. So what you need to do is discuss this with your surgeon and you might have to look into spinal surgery. But try that neurontin first, if your nerves are causing the pain, that stuff is the bomb!

 
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Re: Dr. refuses to give me pain meds for chronic back pain! help!

[QUOTE=neveragain444;4702924]Excuse me, but what is that: her back healed 18 months ago? How is there nothing presently injured in her back if an MRI showed herniated discs? And why can't the source of pain be found? My hindend it can't be found. You pretty much make it sound like this girl is in pain because she makes her brain think it is, and that is messed up buddy.[/QUOTE]

Well the accident happened two years ago so the injuries have healed. The MRI shows herniated discs and I'm sure this is true. If that herniated disc on the MRI is causing all that grief then any surgeon will have noticed something untoward in the physical examination ie, loss of sensation, weakness in the muscle goups supplied by that root, loss of reflexes from that root, tension on nerve stretch and skin odema in certain areas and or changes in gait. Wasting will be noted compared to the contralateral side. Doctors know about mechanoreceptors, neuotransmitters and all about the pathways to the brain and this what they consider when examining a patient. Rremember, pain IS in the brain, this is where it is realy felt. With chronic pain the brain changes and gives the perception of pain. The patient doesn't make her brain think it is, it just is.
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Re: Dr. refuses to give me pain meds for chronic back pain! help!

[QUOTE=james079;4702991]Well the accident happened two years ago so the injuries have healed. The MRI shows herniated discs and I'm sure this is true. If that herniated disc on the MRI is causing all that grief then any surgeon will have noticed something untoward in the physical examination ie, loss of sensation, weakness in the muscle goups supplied by that root, loss of reflexes from that root, tension on nerve stretch and skin odema in certain areas and or changes in gait. Wasting will be noted compared to the contralateral side. Doctors know about mechanoreceptors, neuotransmitters and all about the pathways to the brain and this what they consider when examining a patient. Rremember, pain IS in the brain, this is where it is realy felt. With chronic pain the brain changes and gives the perception of pain. The patient doesn't make her brain think it is, it just is.
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Well I don't even have a diagnosis because my dr doesn't want to do an MRI and I honestly don't even care as long as my pain is under control. All that I know I have wrong is degeneration, bone spurs, and obviously something is going on with my nerves but an xray and ct won't show that. I have no loss of refluxes, I have no loss of sensation in my legs or anywhere, I get numb occassionally in my back and neck, that's it. I have a normal range of motion. Only thing I do is get shaky on my left side with certain PT exercises. No apparent swelling. Nerve sensations though that feel like they were eating me alive, and obvious pain because of my nerves, pinched, irritated, don't even have a clue. Chronic yes, almost 2 years myself. Been through physical therapy twice, a chriopracter for spinal adjustments that just made the issue worse. Pt worked for awhile and made my pain mild, it did not get rid of it, it ended up flaring back up again something awful in January. No medications helped. Narcotics just made me sick. Only thing that did work was toradol and my doctor wouldn't prescribe it. She could still very much be in pain from 2 years back. Back problems like this, the cause not surgically corrected, can give you problems the rest of your life. You may not have loss of feeling, but it could come with time. I have been in the same exact shape and I don't even know if I have anything as serious as a disc herniation. Neuropathic pain involves the nervous system, which is made up of the brain, spinal cord and nerves. Misfiring nerves are responsible for neuropathic pain. A nerve can be acting up because it is pinched, compressed, irritated, whatever. If the brain was causing the nerve issue, it would probably be multiple sclerosis. I understand pain signals may go from the spine to the brain but the brain doesn't pinch your nerve causing the pain initially & so I don't see how your brain could be blamed as the cause of it. My pain is genuinally in my back & neck, and jaws. It is not an illusion from my brain. Is is as real as I am sitting here. Problem is not my brain thinking it is in pain, because the simple fact of the matter is, the problem is my lack of diagnosis and treatment for my back. Actual problem, that needs addressed. I do not need brain treatment, I need treatment to my spine, because that is where the problem lays. So no, I don't get all this psychology babble. And I don't get how you can tell someone their brain is just perceiving pain and it is not really real.

 
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Old 03-10-2011, 05:29 AM   #40
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Re: Dr. refuses to give me pain meds for chronic back pain! help!

Thank you! And I haven't seen a surgeon yet so when I do im sure he will check on all of those things that were talked about

 
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The Government knows American's DNA was destroyed by dioxins causing neuro-degeneration leading to herniated discs/pain. Hence why all manufacturing went to China so their DNA can be destroyed. God punishes greed, the Chinese see money and not what comes with it.

Slaughterhouses would take scrap cow parts and sell them to be cooked into dogfood...somehow those cow parts ended up getting fed to cows. Resulting in Mad Cow Disease. Supposedly there is no test to see who has Mad Cow eating their brains/causing neuro degeneration. Those tainted cows were used to make lipstick, make-up, dairy products, beef, medicine, and many other products. They say everyone in England was exposed to that using all those products and may have it. They pass that on to their kids with damaged DNA. Turns out cannibalism, eating your own species leads to brain/neuro degeneration. A Cow eating feed made from a cow causes the disorder and is passed onto humans when we eat the cow.

Our Government knows there is an epidemic and lots of people in pain. People with bad DNA need to be culled from the herd. No pain meds for you. Surgeons can fix structural failure with spine fusion but the underlying problem of WHY people so young are having degeneration of their nervous system...is widely known..just not discussed.

With 1/3 of America to die off by 2020...the kids of many of those people have bad DNA and need to be culled as well. Hence the likely National Plan to cut them from pain meds so they die of eventual organ failure from their pain. 1+million foreigners given new US citizenship last year..and the year before...southern border left open to bring in fresh DNA....

Some would call it genocide. Guess they have to do it to try and keep a country together. If we stand back and look at the big picture...it's easy to see why the Feds are keeping Doctors from prescribing pain meds. There's plenty on the web saying our medical field globally isn't allowed to tell people they don't have normal DNA. Humanity destroyed it's own DNA and now we're witnessing what has to be done when that occurs.

A smart person with any money would get to a country where pain medications aren't so rigorously controlled. You might live a couple more years to witness what's about to unfold.

Our Federal Government only controls pain medications because we gave it power to do so. Revoke it. Let State's control pain medications. The State prescribing pain medication to people with neuro degeneration/nerve damage will be the wealthiest State in the Union, with the best medical field in the Union.

It's either that or we all get culled early from the herd. Federally ordered.

 
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Re: Dr. refuses to give me pain meds for chronic back pain! help!

[QUOTE=guy484;4706160]The Government knows American's DNA was destroyed by dioxins causing neuro-degeneration leading to herniated discs/pain. Hence why all manufacturing went to China so their DNA can be destroyed. God punishes greed, the Chinese see money and not what comes with it.

Slaughterhouses would take scrap cow parts and sell them to be cooked into dogfood...somehow those cow parts ended up getting fed to cows. Resulting in Mad Cow Disease. Supposedly there is no test to see who has Mad Cow eating their brains/causing neuro degeneration. Those tainted cows were used to make lipstick, make-up, dairy products, beef, medicine, and many other products. They say everyone in England was exposed to that using all those products and may have it. They pass that on to their kids with damaged DNA. Turns out cannibalism, eating your own species leads to brain/neuro degeneration. A Cow eating feed made from a cow causes the disorder and is passed onto humans when we eat the cow.

Our Government knows there is an epidemic and lots of people in pain. People with bad DNA need to be culled from the herd. No pain meds for you. Surgeons can fix structural failure with spine fusion but the underlying problem of WHY people so young are having degeneration of their nervous system...is widely known..just not discussed.

With 1/3 of America to die off by 2020...the kids of many of those people have bad DNA and need to be culled as well. Hence the likely National Plan to cut them from pain meds so they die of eventual organ failure from their pain. 1+million foreigners given new US citizenship last year..and the year before...southern border left open to bring in fresh DNA....

Some would call it genocide. Guess they have to do it to try and keep a country together. If we stand back and look at the big picture...it's easy to see why the Feds are keeping Doctors from prescribing pain meds. There's plenty on the web saying our medical field globally isn't allowed to tell people they don't have normal DNA. Humanity destroyed it's own DNA and now we're witnessing what has to be done when that occurs.

A smart person with any money would get to a country where pain medications aren't so rigorously controlled. You might live a couple more years to witness what's about to unfold.

Our Federal Government only controls pain medications because we gave it power to do so. Revoke it. Let State's control pain medications. The State prescribing pain medication to people with neuro degeneration/nerve damage will be the wealthiest State in the Union, with the best medical field in the Union.

It's either that or we all get culled early from the herd. Federally ordered.[/QUOTE]

I must admit I have never ever thought about it that way, very interesting indeed.
James

 
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Search the internet for pain management doctors in your area. For a fee, the doctor will give you a prescription for pain meds, muscle relaxers and xanax. This is called the "holy trinity". It's expensive - like first visit could be $250 and then subsequent visits can be $150 - but you are guaranteed medication. The doctors are normally emergency room doctors who do this on the side for extra money AND to help people who are truly in a lot of pain. This is illegal in some states and a while back they were showing raids on TV. I think a couple of the states were Florida and Mississippi. Don't know if you saw that on TV. Fortunately, in my area it is not illegal. I was going to one clinic for a while but then I found a regular doctor that took my insurance and gave me what I needed. Good luck to you.

 
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Doctors are starting to become more hardcore when it comes to prescribing these narcotics. The government in Canada is in the process of banning oxycontin outright. If a doc prescribes something, and it ends up on the streets or in a kids hands, they will end up losing their license..... see about asking your doctor about Voltaren or diclofenac. Its advils bigger brother, and for me it did wonders before I ended up needing heavy opiates, to control my pain from back problems and rheumatoid arthritis. Hopefully you get something that helps soon! I for one, would never wish back pain on my worst enemy. I'm rooting for ya!


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