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Old 11-27-2011, 12:16 PM   #1
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Valsalva maneuver

Hi, im Colin.
I recently injured my back, by holding a bowel movement, i had to go number 1. ( i know its weird). I had an mri which showed a bulging and herniated disc, L4-L5. I'm not worried about the pain, or the debilitating factors, but ever since my injury I haven't been able to use the valsalva maneuver.
Does anyone know what might be causing this? I have always thought it might be a nerve related issue, however my mri shows no nerve impingement. Is it possible that some nerves are still being damaged? What are your thoughts and views on this matter?
I have also just recently had a bone scan to see if my facet joints might be misaligned. Iv'e had many symptoms which indicate that the may be the culprits, and when i touch the area around the left one it is sore.
Has anyone ever heard of this? Or does anyone have any insight as to what might be going on?

 
Old 11-28-2011, 12:34 PM   #2
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Re: Valsalva maneuver

Anyone ever heard of this? Im desperate.

 
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Old 11-28-2011, 02:21 PM   #3
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Re: Valsalva maneuver

I looked up valsalva maneuver and am still not sure what it entails and why your question is particularly about it. Perhaps you could explain in more detail.

It is highly unlikely that your facet joints are out of alignment unless the whole spinal segment, the vertebra and disc have slipped as well. Usually a facet joint itself is not sore to the touch. You may be pushing on the spinal process if you are referring to the "bone" you feel just underneath the skin along the spinal canal. Ligaments and muscles attach at this point, so if you have pulled something, that could be the cause of your pain.

 
Old 11-28-2011, 03:06 PM   #4
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Re: Valsalva maneuver

^ The valsalva maneuver is what you use when you poop, some people also use it to exercise, (lift weights). bummer, if its not the facet joints then im worred as to what is causing this to happen, as i am also having problems with what i believe is a neurologic deficit related to this injury, and am becoming very depressed.

 
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Re: Valsalva maneuver

It turns out this might be happening due to snapping hip syndrome which i have in my right leg.( the iliopsoas tendon i believe) Does anyone know what actually happens to the tendon that causes it to snap? I've read that it can be caused by inflamation, but is there anything else?
Anyways I have a massage today, and if that goes well i may schedule another. Otherwise I am looking into therapy.
Any information would help. Thank You.

 
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Re: Valsalva maneuver

I had my massage today, and the therapist said that she didn't think that the iliopsoas tendon was causing the problem due to the fact that it wasn't soar. Now I'm not very smart when it comes to medical things, but is it possible that another tendon in the pelvic region could cause this? She thought it may be coming from lower i my glute region, to deep for her to reach. Please let me no your input, this is a very nagging issue for me.


sorry if i posted in the wrong forum, my post was removed from the general health forum and i cant find any others suitable.

 
Old 01-18-2012, 05:04 PM   #7
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Re: Valsalva maneuver

Could it be the IT Band causing me these problems?

 
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Re: Valsalva maneuver

I think it is unlikely to be an IT band issue. Have you had a course of physical therapy, and whatever happened with the L4-L5 herniated disc?

I can recommend a top-notch spine specialist in Milwaukee if you're interested. He has an office in Grafton....

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Old 01-19-2012, 09:09 AM   #9
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Re: Valsalva maneuver

my back doesnt cause me any pain anymore. Some simple exercise was able to fix it.

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Old 01-19-2012, 10:03 AM   #10
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Re: Valsalva maneuver

Sorry but i cant edit my last post. Im thinking that its not a nerve related issue as to why i cant use the valsalva maneuver, going by what my doctors told me about nerves. Thinking about it I believe that a tendon might be the issue, and snapping hip syndrome being the only other issue i have seems like it could be the culprit.

But anyways, i do have a question regarding snapping hip syndrome. Is it only the it band or iliopsoas tendon that can cause the snapping. Or is it possible that other tendons, or muscles are pulling them out of posistion causing the snapping syndrome. I do see my doctor tomorrow so maybe he will have answers, however everyone ive talked to is stumped as to why i cant push on my body. (valsalva maneuver)

 
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Re: Valsalva maneuver

You might look into the psoas muscle as a possible source.

The psoas major is a large muscle that attaches at the bottom of the thoracic spine (T12) and along the lumbar spine (through L4), then runs through the pelvic bowl, down over the front of the hip joint, and attaches at the top of the femur (thigh bone). It is the only muscle connecting the spine to the leg.

 
Old 01-19-2012, 05:50 PM   #12
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Id like to explain how i got this injury. Ive asked my Mom and my Dad if the understand what im saying when i tell this story, and both have replied yes. Now i know its weird, but plz bare with me.

When the valsalva maneuver is accompanied by flexing a few key muscles and joints, the sensation to pee can take on a whole new meaning. When you need to use the bathroom you can actually hold it for incredible amounts of time by some unkown body mechanic that takes place. Your groin area will start tugging, and you will be able to hold your urine for hours.

At the time i was unaware that you need to flex a few key body components to achieve this sensation. Instead i was experimenting with marijuana. Believe it or not, weed will engage this tugging function in your body, weather you are flexing the correct joints or not. So without proper support, i was experiencing the tugging sensation, which by the way i actually rather enjoy. Although the valsalva maneuver can be a health hazard, i rather enjoy the affects it has on your health, and many weight lifters also use it for support in lifting, and to improve their physique.

Now (stick with me, im sure you dont know, and or speak about this very often). During this time while i was experiencing the tugging sensation,( without flexing my other muscles, to properly engage the function). I felt a very cold pull, tear, or strain rifle through my right hip, groin, and stomach area. At this point in time, im believing its a tendon.

Now my question is, what might i have done to my tendon. Perhaps it could be a tear, although i hear those are rather painful. Possibly a strain, or a pull? I'm not sure. Whatever it is, i am almost positive that it is whats restricting my ability to flex my groin(valsalva maneuver).

If you have any info on what you think i may have done please do inform me. This is a rather ucomfortable condition. Id love to have it heal up.!!

Tetonteri- my massage therapist actually told me that she didnt believe anything that she focused on during the massage (including the psoas muscle) was causing me my snapping hip syndrome. <-- due to the fact that there was no tenderness. she infact said she was "stumped" as to what was causing it. Although no doctor has been able to tell me what may be casing my lack of groin strength(if you know what i mean) im thinking that it is still a tendon. I believe a strained or tensed muscle would just cause a little bit of pain or irritation, but still be able to be flexed. But im thinking if a tendon locked up( got to tight) or was strained or sprained that it would compromise the entire muscle structure. Which would possibly lead to my lack of groin strength.

again im sorry that this is such an oddball topic.

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Old 01-22-2012, 01:50 PM   #13
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Re: Valsalva maneuver

maybe i strained a ligament? how do you stretch ligaments???
is there therapy you can do? vs just getting prolotherapy or surgery?

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Old 01-22-2012, 03:51 PM   #14
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Re: Valsalva maneuver

Ive managed to find one stretch for the ligaments in my pelvic region, does anyone happen to know of any others? for the pelvic/hip region only.!?

 
Old 02-14-2012, 05:21 PM   #15
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Re: Valsalva maneuver

It turns out to be my gluteus minimus tendon.


Are there any stretches i can do to help this muscle recover? I am in therapy but atm they are mostly focusing on strengthening the gluteus medius ad abodominals.

 
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