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Old 12-13-2011, 06:16 PM   #1
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Update On ESI Before Spinal Cord Stimulator

I had a ESI today and feeling pretty weak tonite. Too early to tell if it did any good. Going to rest again tomorrow, doctors orders. Thursday, I hope to start walking some and see how I feel.

Have to go see a psychologist on friday and be evaluated before I try the SCS. That is if I do try the 5 day trial. If this ESI works then I will definetly wait it out and see how long I can go before the next process.

I have read many horror stories regarding the SCS, so I don't know. My brother use to deliver drugs to nursing homes, rehab facilities,etc........ He told me it was 50-50 on whether the SCS works or don't work. He has seen many people that have been on the stimulator and some say it was the worst thing they ever did for there back. I'm hoping I won't have to decide on that. Will post back later in week with if the shot helped me or not. A prayer from all would be nice.

Keith

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Re: Update On ESI Before Spinal Cord Stimulator

You can count on my prayers. Take it really easy and give the steroid a chance to work. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

 
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:31 PM   #3
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Re: Update On ESI Before Spinal Cord Stimulator

[QUOTE=tetonteri66;4894546]You can count on my prayers. Take it really easy and give the steroid a chance to work. I'll keep my fingers crossed.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Teri!

 
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Re: Update On ESI Before Spinal Cord Stimulator

hi parman, wishing you the best just wanted to let you know my mother got the spinal cord stimulater about 7 yrs ago and has never looked back. she had chronic leg pain numbness etc and it gave her her life back. i hope you have the same success. take care, shelsers

 
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Re: Update On ESI Before Spinal Cord Stimulator

Thanks shelsers for your reply. I've heard all kinds of stories and I know it's a individual thing. It's a decision I will have to make in the next couple of weeks.

This is the 1st morning after the ESI and I can say that I do feel alittle better.Hav'ent tried my leg out walking yet but my back is 50% better this morning. I know its early and I have to give it time. That's what I have the most of anyway.
Thanks again for the info and glad your mother is doing good.

Keith

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Old 12-16-2011, 12:17 PM   #6
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Re: Update On ESI Before Spinal Cord Stimulator

Any improvement by today?

 
Old 12-16-2011, 02:52 PM   #7
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Re: Update On ESI Before Spinal Cord Stimulator

Teri, I'm sad to say that I am having a bad day. My right quad and my back are hurting alot. I had to go see a psychologist today. It's the process you have to go through before the 5 day trial on the SCS. The drive is about 1 hr down and back. I am hurting so bad that I'm on the couch.

The psychologist brought up accupuncture to me. She was telling me about someone that trained in Vietnam and that , I repeat that might be able to help me. I know nothing about accupuncture. But, at this point I am almost willing to try anything once. What could it hurt? She said she has had many people that went through accupuncture treatment with this certain person, and had great success. Said, many people went completely off pain meds.

So, I contacted his office and I have to get a release of my medical records so he can see them and go from there. He will look at all my myelograms,cat-scans,x-rays, etc.... He told me that if he thinks he can help I will probably give it a try. I never thought I would say that but I'm willing to try almost anything short of another surgery or something be implanted in my back.

Teri, do you know anything about the art of accupuncture? Do you know anyone that has had accupuncture or know of any success stories?

 
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Re: Update On ESI Before Spinal Cord Stimulator

Yes, as a matter of fact, I've been getting acupuncture for at least the past ten years...and up until recently, I was going once per week. I often hesitate to recommend it when someone on the forum inquires about it because it varies so much from one practioner to the next. You are in a perfect situation to give it a try though...particularly if the man is reviewing your records and telling you if he thinks he can help.

I have referred on occasion to the fact that, through the years, I've had three different pain management doctors who have given my injections and nerve blocks. I never had any reaction with the first two doctors, but the third doctor's injections had an impact. And guess what? He was from Viet Nam. Maybe they have a way with needles...to make a really sweeping generalization!!

As I'm sure you know, they've been performing surgeries in China using only acupuncture for pain relief since the beginning of time, practically.

You won't know till you try it...but it sounds like you'll be going to someone who comes highly recommended. I would certainly give it a good long try before resorting to getting a spinal cord stimulator.

 
Old 12-16-2011, 06:32 PM   #9
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Re: Update On ESI Before Spinal Cord Stimulator

If after looking at my pictures, he thinks he can help, I think I will try it. I don't see how it could hurt. It will probably be after christmas before I can get anything done but I'll be back with whatever I do.

 
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It absolutely cannot hurt unless he has some technique I've never heard of!! The needles are very thin and they don't get in all that far. The first time my acupuncturist put one in my head, I was a little freaked out...but, that quickly passed. Also, I suppose some points in the feet might hurt on insertion, but my feet are somewhat numb, so it never bothers me.

I find it very relaxing, even when it isn't relieving the pain.

I hope the man feels he can help you, or is at least willing to try!

 
Old 12-20-2011, 06:36 PM   #11
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Re: Update On ESI Before Spinal Cord Stimulator

Well, I e-mailed my surgeon yesterday. Let him know that I have gotten worse with leg pain and lower back pain since I was last in his office. He called today and told me to come in his office on thursday of this week. He said we would work out a plan. Don't know what that means but I'm willing to try almost anything right now.

Probably won't hear anything from chiropractor about accupuncture until after the 1st of the year.

Hopefully there is something out there he can do.

Keith

 
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It seems a little odd to me that your pain continues to worsen and worsen. I guess I really do not understand why that would be....I hope the surgeon will reevaluate your situation and look to see if something else is going on.

 
Old 12-21-2011, 09:44 AM   #13
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Re: Update On ESI Before Spinal Cord Stimulator

Teri,

What I told my doctor was that my leg pain had gotten worse because I can't do anything. If I sit too long, then my right quad is throbbing to the point of almost being sick. If I lay most of the day on the couch then I get some relief.

I worked on a friend's computer the other day where I had to sit at the computer alittle while. One hr after being finished with his computer, my right leg (quad) was throbbing and there is nothing I can actually do for it besides laying.

I'm so tired of this. I have put on about 15 lbs this year and I can't even go walking for any period at all because of this leg pain.

It controls my every thought and action.

What was odd to me was after the ESI I had one good day. The day after the ESI I went to town and when I got out of my car and started walking I felt alot better. I thought maybe this shot was my answer. I was walking around in a store and feeling not too bad. My right quad was not acting up.
Well, when I couldn't find what I was looking for then I started going to other stores. I started walking alittle fast I guess and then it hit me. My quad started back with alot of throbbing pain and it hasn't stopped since.

So, I'll go see him and see what's next. Probably will want a EMG Those things are awful. He had mentioned that the last time I was in.

I'll be back with whatever news there is. Thanks Teri for being here for me. It means alot to be able to convey my feelings to someone who cares. You are a gem on here.

Keith

 
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Please refresh my memory. Normally I would go back and pull up all your old posts to see what surgery you had, etc. but I'm in the midst of baking and don't have the time today! My recollection is you had a TLIF at L5-S1...so my comments are based on that.

I think I told you that my first fusion was PLIF at L4-L5. The day after my surgery, while lying in the hospital bed working with the physical therapist, she had me do an exercise where I was supposed to tense my quad muscle in my right leg. All my pain had always been running down the back of my leg.

While doing the "quad set," I suddenly had the most horrendous pain. Since I was connected to all the IV lines, catheter, etc. and had just had my back cut open, I couldn't move. I wanted to wiggle in an attempt to move my leg so the pain would stop, but, I couldn't. I just started crying and carried on...something I almost never, ever do. I'll skip all the details...but the pain could not be controlled, and they eventually just increased my pain meds in the IV until I was basically knocked out.

That pain lessened slightly, to the point I wasn't screaming, but continued on. No one could tell me what was causing it. I had a MRI ten days after surgery, something they hardly ever do, and it didn't show anything. I kept trying to find answers for the next 2+ years. Nothing showed up on MRI or other imaging and no one suggested doing an EMG. I was told to do the trial for the SCS but I wasn't interested. I wanted to find out what was causing the thigh pain.

Eventually, after going to a whole bunch of specialists in three different states, after numerous diagnostic nerve blocks, my surgeon decided to do a 3 level fusion, adding on to the L4-L5 at L3-L4 and L5-S1. It wasn't until he cut me open that he discovered the real cause of my pain. The facets at L3 had worn down to little nubs and were allowing my spine to move around in ways it wasn't designed to do! This was pinching the L3 nerve, sometimes more than at other times, thus why the pain was sometimes so intense, other times not at all; sometimes in my left leg, but, usually in my right leg.

I had a bit of pain after surgery. On the 4th day it went away, and I haven't been bothered since.

If you look at a dermatome map, it is usually the nerves from the upper lumbar segments (L2 and L3, occasionally L4) that innervate the thigh. But when you've already had spine surgery, it can also be caused by damage to the femoral nerve, the pudendal nerve and/or rectus femorus muscle...I'm sure there are other causes, too, but these are the most obvious causes of pain.

Do you ever put ice on the thigh when you are in pain? I found that was the only thing that helped me. In the hospital, they kept ice on it way more than that "15-20 minutes per hour" rule.

 
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Well Teri, I had just finished a full page response to you when I suddenly lost my page. Everything disappeared. That has happened before. I don't know where it went or how to bring it back so I'll minimize this letter.

I had a PLIF in 2004 at the L5-S1 level. Good for 5 yrs and then right leg pain. Had a discectomy in march of 2010 at L3-L4 level. Did not help.

Had a TLIF 2 levels (L3-L4,L4-L5) in december of 2010. My right leg pain disappeared for 5 months and then started up again.

Had numerous tests done (mri,cat-scans,myelograms) since july. Nothing showed any problems.

Had ESI last tuesday. Had one day relief. When the pain is the worse I have pins and needles, burning, and extreme weakness in right quad.
When it's tolerable, it's mainly alot of weakness in quad. My back burns at the L3-L4 level. Not all the time but most of the time.

If I sit like riding in car for 2 hrs,(time it takes to get to doctors office) then hrs later I'm in extreme pain in quad, more than back.

Don't really want the SCS implanted because that only masks the pain. I would really like to find out what's the generator.

Will see doctor at 8:30 thursday morning and see what's next.

 
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