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Old 04-20-2007, 07:56 PM   #1
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Virginia Tech - How will this horrible tragedy affect our privacy rights?

Hi gang,

I know all of you are aware of the terrible tragedy that happened at Virginia Tech this week. If you have been following the news - it's difficult not to - you also know that there has been lots of talk about what the school, doctors and others could have done to predict this killer's behavior. There has been lots of talk about depression and the "signs" of mental illness. There has also been talk about changing the laws that protect our privacy - by people who are insensitive to others with mental illness, people who do not consider the rights of millions of people, like us, who suffer from mental illness who have never, and would never conceive of doing any harm to anyone.

Am I the only one who feels the fear of impending doom, the fear of a "***** hunt" mentality developing in this country against those of us who suffer from any form of mental illness? After all, it only takes a strong majority to change the laws that protect all of us. I am very disturbed by the direction the political ideologues are spinning the discussion.

I do, of course, believe that if anyone exhibits signs of hurting anyone else or themselves, observers have a responsibility to act. However, I am saddened that people believe that the answer is to take away the rights of all of us, who already have to deal with the stigma and ridicule that goes along with mental illness. It's a slippery slope, and we need to remain vigilant to ensure that our rights are not taken away from us during this sad and scary time. I mean, it wasn't long ago that students in high schools all over the South were banned from wearing black clothes, or accused of worshipping the devil for being different. Is it so far a leap that it couldn't happen to us?

Curiously, with all the news coverage about "warning signs" and what could have been done, not one person has said anything about our culture, how people should learn to be nicer and more compassionate and understanding to the people who are different than they are, to embrace them rather than shun them. They interviewed the teachers and professors who said they tried to intervene when the killer exhibited violence in his writings. One said she reached out to other professors, trying to alert others about his strange behavior. What's interesting is that never in any of her interviews did she say she tried to confront him, to take him aside and talk to him, to ask him if he needed help or to talk to someone about what he was feeling; never did she say that she talked to him at all, not as a mentor or to lend him a helping hand in what was apparently a very dark time in his life. No talk of interraction at all on her part. What she did, her instinct, was to turn him in and ask someone else to intervene. No one did. One act of kindness can often go a long way. But no one has talked about kindness; everyone talks around it as if being kind to people who are different or lonely or unpopular is so far beyond our imagination that we must look to other mechanisms to solve social problems, to prevent them. It's very curious indeed.

I am not, in any way, trying to excuse what this maniac did or to minimize the impact and sadness of his actions and the poor families' heartache and fears. I am just worried that, in all of the grieving and finger pointing, that we, the people on this board and others like us, could lose our rights to privacy. That would be another tragedy in and of itself, and I don't want that to happen.

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Old 04-20-2007, 08:18 PM   #2
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Re: Virginia Tech - How will this horrible tragedy affect our privacy rights?

Hi Gav,

I am hoping it will have the opposite effect. So many specialists were on the air saying the current state of affairs in this country pertaining to mental illness is so horrendous, emphasizing how many cannot get any help....how even when parents know their adult child has severe problems, they are not able to get any help, etc. But I know what you mean. I was screaming at the TV when Chris matthews was going on, criticizing the college for not having notified the suitemates that they were living with someone who had been declared mentally ill. I even wrote an email to him, I was so annoyed. At least the MSM didn't immediately start describing the kid as being bipolar. I was waiting for that to happen.

You make some very good points.

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Re: Virginia Tech - How will this horrible tragedy affect our privacy rights?

Hi tsohl,

I'm relieved to hear that I wasn't the only one - I kept waiting, biting nails, for them to say he was bipolar, too! I did see Dr. Phil on Larry King tonight emphasizing the dangers of stigmatizing people with mental illnesses because of this, saying that most are lawabiding, productive and compassionate adults and kids. I felt better after hearing that. I haven't seen much positive spin on the side of the mentally ill; I wish I had. I've been over here so angry at the insensitivity of some of these people, the ignorance veiled as compassion for the victims. They do not consider that there are some people out there who need their understanding. After all, the lack of compassion and understanding just may prevent future incidents.

 
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Re: Virginia Tech - How will this horrible tragedy affect our privacy rights?

I think you'll be waiting a long time to see much positive spin on the side of the mentally ill. Most people do not understand what it is all about, or what it is like for someone who is diagnosed with a mental illness or disorder. I have to admit that even after our son was diagnosed it took me quite awhile to come to some understanding. I really can't imagine a time when there will not be a stigma associated with it. Most people are just so ignorant. Most people also lack compassion for anything other than what they already know.

I'm watching the rerun of Larry King right now.

Take care,
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Old 04-21-2007, 06:44 AM   #5
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Re: Virginia Tech - How will this horrible tragedy affect our privacy rights?

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Originally Posted by gav_73 View Post
Hi tsohl,

I'm relieved to hear that I wasn't the only one - I kept waiting, biting nails, for them to say he was bipolar, too! I did see Dr. Phil on Larry King tonight emphasizing the dangers of stigmatizing people with mental illnesses because of this, saying that most are lawabiding, productive and compassionate adults and kids. I felt better after hearing that. I haven't seen much positive spin on the side of the mentally ill; I wish I had. I've been over here so angry at the insensitivity of some of these people, the ignorance veiled as compassion for the victims. They do not consider that there are some people out there who need their understanding. After all, the lack of compassion and understanding just may prevent future incidents.
gav...I can surely understanf where you are coming from. Your thoughts are very valid. As mine,they come from our own personal view points and the fact that we live with BP Disorder. I hear your conserns loud and clear......
However, I am looking to **** to provide a "blanket statement" about the lack of concern for ALL people with a Dx. of mental illness. I have not seen it yet...but I'm hoping it will apear in the media very soon. I'm a supporter of ****'s "stigmabuster" sagement. bpMagazine is also an excellent source for education and knowledge about controling stigma with BP Disorder. The bpMagazines's mission is "Hope and Harmony For People with Bopolar". Look into it. On a personal basis, I live in a retired community. In the last 4 years here,I have shared with so many of my friends that I am Bipolar. I have held short sessions around the "pool" providing education and knowledge to these folks. It is just amazing how these folks had such poor and missinformed knowledge about BP Disorder. A large number have asked for my opinion this week,on what happened,as it relates to mental illness. I have nerver received a feeling of "stigma" from these folks....In fact, they all respect me,(I was in the medical professional), as a person who they see as normal friend;who has acheived stability in Life.

Just a comment on all the anger that the media has shown toward so many people,classmates,techers,police,and mental health professionals. Yes...gav...
your right...if only there was more compassion given to this person...than possibabily he could of not "cracked". But it seems that no one tried ...compassion.

Amy...another poster on this Board has recommend a Book by the Dilai Lama-"Healing Anger-The Power of Patience".
I have just finished it. It's point...as far as I can understand (it is very indepth),
may be quite simple....If we all can develope Patience and Tolerance toward a person's behavior,than our Anger could be controled. After we have done this and show Compassion toward the person,we will find that, yes, Compassion with over ride Anger.

I'm not naive...I'm 65 and I have been Dxed with BP Disorder for almost 40 years...and Stable of the last 23 years.

Carry On

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