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Old 01-31-2004, 09:46 PM   #1
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sensitive bones & weakness??

I was wondering if anyone else has developed "sensitive bones". Even the slightest of knocks on any part of my arms/arms is really painful and will continue to hurt for up to 15 minutes.

Also I have noticed in the past few weeks that when I rest my arms on anything eg hand bag, computer chair arms rests, I retain a perfect red images eg of a zip, button, for a long time ie up to an hour, my arms after a while have numerous patterns along them.

I also am experiencing overall weakness and will be shaky after any exertion. Besides that my general health is good. I am still working full-time and as long as I go to bed early and get 10 hours sleep it helps.

I was hoping that someone else may have at some time had the same symptoms and whether they just disappeared, or if they were symptoms of an underlying problem.

I am due to have a bone marrow biopsy in a couple of days, as I have too many immature red blood cells (high MCV). I have a dilemma though. My father in his 70's is overseas and I will be having major surgery for cancer, if it has not spread too far, very soon. I want to be there (about 2 months) to support my mother. I am not due to go back to the specialists for 2 weeks. If I don't go home and there is nothing wrong with me, I will find it hard to forgive myself. However, if I book my flight and something major is found ...

Hence, I was hoping that if someone has something similar they could let me know. I am going around in circles at the moment. Any experiences good or bad would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 02-01-2004, 01:46 AM   #2
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Too many immature red blood cells?

I haven't heard many people knowing that. It should be common in many people, though, as a solvent many people are exposed to does just that: damages the red blood cells, so that the bone marrow has to make up for it the best that it can by making more and more red blood cells. You must have fatigue, too? Really, really tired ALL THE TIME?

What type of cancer do you have? I'm sure your parents would want you to take care of yourself, before you come visit them.

The chemical I am talking about is 2-butoxyethanol, but most people know it by its other name: ethylene glycol monobutyl ether. Look it up on the internet & learn more about it!

What kind of work do you do? Actually, it would be hard for most Americans not to have too much exposure. It is in hundreds of products. It is a poison. It is a pesticide, per EPA. It is a solvent. First it damages your blood: fragility of red blood cells: hemolytic anemia, but most times that goes unnoticed per all the other harm it does. It also affects lymph system, bone marrow, kidneys, liver, reproductive system, central nervous system PLUS endocrine disruption.

I wish you the best and hope you continue to get an accurate diagnosis. Most people don't get that ... when affected by this chemical.

 
Old 02-01-2004, 03:15 AM   #3
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Re: Too many immature red blood cells?

Thanks for your reply.

My father has had bladder cancer, but also has a mass outside the bladder as well. It is very agressive. If it hasn't spread to the bones, they are going to try to reduce the mass with chemo and then remove the mass and bladder.

I work in admin - mainly computer work. I have Hashimotos thyroiditis but will have to wait another 2 weeks before I know if the blood issue outcome. I haven't told my parents of my current problems, as they have enough on their plate and I wouldn't want to worry them unnecessarily. It may be nothing.

It was interesting reading about ethylene glycol monobutyl ether. I never realised the contents of normal household cleaning items. I am amazed there is not some health warnings on the packets. I searched for Windex window cleaner which I use all the time, as I like my windows clean - I never realised - I was so ignorant!!

Thanks again.

 
Old 02-01-2004, 06:47 AM   #4
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Household cleaners are a primary 'culprit'

... and it's not your fault for not knowing. EPA doesn't even require companies making consumer products to list this as an ingredient.

SO people (including doctors) think it is safe to use, just noting the minimal hazard warnings ... so they aren't as careful with them. IF you really want an eye opener see what 409 Cleaner and Lysol Tub 'n Tile contain. The latter is registered with EPA as a pesticide ... one of the ones that is recommended to be used, if you MUST use it, only in an industrial setting with the full space suit 'protective gear'

People don't take the warnings on home cleaning products seriously. What Should the Hazard warnings be on products? I say the hazards on all of these household cleaners and automotive and hobby and paint supplies should read like this: will have damaged: blood, liver, kidneys, skin, eyes, central nervous system including depression and short term memory loss, and suicidal tendencies; endocrine system (high blood pressure/high blood sugar/reproductive damage) The more exposure the sooner you die; and the more horrible the death. Cancers very probable. Children at risk for birth defects and leukemia and tumor of the brain. Men at risk for zero sperm count or poor sperm quality. Multiple existing health studies 'skewed' because the primary cause is not mentioned or known:

2-butoxyethanol poisoning

and tell them, too, it doesn't take much exposure to cause this! ... sharing this to help our USA wake up!

Dear, I would share with my parents, if I were you.

 
Old 10-03-2004, 03:33 PM   #5
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Exclamation Re: sensitive bones & weakness??

I will answer to MIPPS about her painful bones. I too have that painful bones thing...it is excruciationg and it takes my breath away if I move them wrong or bump them. It lasts a long time and the pain never really goes away it just subsides some until I accidentally move or bump them again. I am on Morphine for the pain and it barely touches it. My MD has me going to an Oncologist on the 4th Oct. He thinks it may be bone cancer. I have had bladder cancer and symptoms of it being back for a long time but have put off going to MD for it. It may have spread... It is heart breaking not to be able to pull my own pants up or down, or dress myself, or even wipe myself due to the pain. It is crippilling for me and has spread to my elbows wrists fingers and my clavicle, ribs and hips and thigh bones. It is so painful I cannot walk nor stand for more than 10 seconds at a time. Nor even reach up and get the dishes out of the cabinet. Or hold my own cup of delightful coffee. Please have it checked out ASAP. You have to be honest with your Parents about this as your health is important too and they would say that exact thing when you tell them about it. Please hold off on the trip and go to the MD for tests. My Prayers are with you Dear. You can talk with me on here anytime as I am not going to ramble off issues that you have because I have the same issues. I am always so tired and am mostly bedridden and so weak. I can't see how you can work with such pain as this. I know I can't.
Prayers and wishes for you and your Dad. ...kovena

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