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Old 03-06-2009, 02:55 AM   #1
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Rutin

I would like to hear from users on the benefits of Rutin for the treatment of hemorrhoids.

I have read lots of good things about it on several websites and would like to see opinions on Rutin from the folks here. Good, bad, dosages, side effects and such.

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Old 03-06-2009, 04:19 AM   #2
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Re: Rutin

Hello again mate. I take one tablet a day (two recommended on the bottle) but I'm not sure it's doing me any good. The consultant at my hospital was not familiar with it when I told him I was taking it and I'm only persevering with it because I bought a couple of bottles and I'm on my second one now. Whether I will continue or not is dubious.

No side effects so it won't harm you to try it, that was why I started taking it, but I've still had bouts of hemorrhoids while on it. It's pretty bland stuff. Tastes like cardboard when you chew it. (No I havn't tried cardboard lol).

So the jury is out on this one. How are you doing?

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Old 03-06-2009, 06:43 PM   #3
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Re: Rutin

Thanks for your input on the Rutin. I'll give it a try, see if it helps.

As for me, things were going well, but alas, it didn't last and i had 2 days of the wost bowel movements i have had in quite a while. Much to dry and too large. It was a terrible experience that did not do my hems any good. Since my surgery, anything larger than say, a magic marker, unless very soft, is a nighmare.

All my specialists say ther is no stricture but i can't believe it. Before the surgery, regardless what kind of bowel movement i had it was mostly effortless.

I've done the high fiber thing many times before and it makes things worse. I don't know what i'm doing wrong, i drink tons of water eat right and after a few days it reverses and is worse than ever. Even the oil doesn't seem to help.

My hems have been acting up since last august with barely a break. I'm getting extremely frustrated with all of it. To put it frankly it is ruining my life and i can't conceive living with the way it is now for the rest of my life...

One thing i can say, 2 weeks ago when i had my Flexible Sigmoidoscopy i had to do 2 fleet enemas to prepare. That was the first time i have ever had an enema in my life. The next day after my exam and a few hours later, i felt the best i have felt in a long time. Having my rectum cleaned out like that made all the difference in the world.

I started thinking stool stuck in my rectum could be the cause of all these problems. Everyday it's the same thing, dry stool to start off than things are ok. Out of 7 days i may get one day where it is easy. Sometimes i can go for weeks with difficulty every day. I have 2 bowel movemnts evey day so it's not constipation. I need to find some way to end this(i hope).

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Old 03-06-2009, 07:51 PM   #4
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Re: Rutin

I took Rutin years ago and it was a nightmare. After I took it for three days my legs literally started to varicose, my skin was on fire on my legs and the pain was unbearable. I could barely walk. I was in the ER and they said that my veins were varicosing right in front of them. They didn't know what to do.

I went to a top Holistic M.D. in Boston and he told me that something happened that shouldnt have - I did permanent damage to my vascular system. I still have pain and my skin is still blotchy and the veins that varicosed literally overnight are still there. It's not a common thing to happen but be careful. I only took what was recommended on the bottle.

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Old 03-07-2009, 01:59 AM   #5
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When you say 'high fiber' do you mean soluble fiber? I have to watch how much soluble fiber I take with the oil otherwise I can get too runny. It's not easy to get things right all the time I know but doing nothing is not an option with this problem is it. There was that bloke on these boards who was going to try the treatment where they pass an electrical current through the base of the hemorrhoid and it is supposed to kill it off. He hasn't reported back yet but if it works for him then there is some hope for all sufferers.

Do you know what brings your hemorrhoids on? For me it is exertion, straining my abdomen which is impossible to avoid when I'm working but the worst symptoms are controllable up to a point.

Perhaps you've got a lot of scar tissue that has caused some narrowing? I have a theory that hemorrhoids can cause your sphincter to go into spasm in a similar way that an anal fissure can. I have experienced both and it is difficult to tell the two apart as they both seem to cause swelling, tenderness and constricture in my experience. However the only reason I know it isn't a fissure is because the excruciating sharp pain isn't there, just a general discomfort with the hems.

Reading Cathy's experience with Rutin (thanks for your input) I will give it up as I don't think it is doing me any good anyway and I don't fancy having her experience with it. Cheers

PS I try to not keep to the same diet every day as your body has an unusual tendency to adjust. Yesterday for example I bought a couple of packs of blueberries which I shall eat (instead of the grapes or whatever) to surprise my intestines with. Other days I'll eat a whole pack of salad. What I don't change is the oil fiber and water, just the quantities of fiber or type of fiber and oil or type of oil. Water I can't drink enough of because it makes me want to pee every ten minutes and it's not always convenient!

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Old 03-07-2009, 03:24 AM   #6
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Cathy, have you tried an alternative medicine called Serrapeptase to cure your varicose veins? I have read it can be very effective for some people. Cheers.

 
Old 03-07-2009, 03:39 AM   #7
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Re: Rutin

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When you say 'high fiber' do you mean soluble fiber?
I mean both. I have always tried to consumme the insoluable but when i increase the soluable that's when things can get a lot worse. Doesn't make much sense does it? I rarely get runny stools or diarrhea no matter what i eat. This may sound terrible but runny stools would be nice instead of having that hard stool to start off that i get now...

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There was that bloke on these boards who was going to try the treatment where they pass an electrical current through the base of the hemorrhoid and it is supposed to kill it off. He hasn't reported back yet but if it works for him then there is some hope for all sufferers.
I'd like to see a reply back also on that subject. It would be a godsend if someone could find a universal treatment for hems that would work for everyone without the possiblity of making things worse than they already were.

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Do you know what brings your hemorrhoids on?
Well bad bowel movements can start it up in the morning but the thing that aggravates the most is at work. I operate heavy machinery all day. I drive and stand on what is called a reach truck and i'm not sure if it is the slight vibration and the rough ride but it can drive my hems wild after about an hour of using it. Sometimes i have to step off and walk around a little to calm things down. It is my job so this activity cannot be avoided.

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Perhaps you've got a lot of scar tissue that has caused some narrowing?
Yup, i certainly have scar tissue after 2 surgeries but the specialists all say there is still ample room to pass things normally. After my last surgery i never quite felt normal down there and incontinece was caused also. I'm never able to clean up properly anymore which is another nasty problem... I think the surgeon was too aggressive, removing too much tissue.

If it was safe to have an enema everday i think i would do it. Maybe just tap water or something. Just cleanig out my rectum felt so good and by doing so maybe i would have better bowel movenments with no hard stool that has been sitting in my rectum drying out...

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Reading Cathy's experience with Rutin (thanks for your input) I will give it up as I don't think it is doing me any good anyway and I don't fancy having her experience with it. Cheers
I'm having second thoughts now also. How many mg do u take everyday KB?

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Old 03-07-2009, 03:59 AM   #8
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Only 60mg though up to 120 or even 180 is recommended on the bottle. Cathy's experience sounds a bit unusual but I don't find it has any effect on the hems at all so what's the point in taking it?

The machine you use at work sounds like hell for your hems. I wouldn't be able to take that on my worst days without plastering my anus with vaseline. Have you tried that? The vibration would not cause friction down below and might help.

 
Old 03-07-2009, 04:37 AM   #9
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Only 60mg though up to 120 or even 180 is recommended on the bottle. Cathy's experience sounds a bit unusual but I don't find it has any effect on the hems at all so what's the point in taking it?
I suppose not if there is no effect...

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The machine you use at work sounds like hell for your hems. I wouldn't be able to take that on my worst days without plastering my anus with vaseline. Have you tried that? The vibration would not cause friction down below and might help.
I do use vaseline on occasion but only in the evening because i get a very nasty rash down there a few times a month that is definitely brought on by working conditions but i always thought it was because of my incontinence. Maybe i was wrong. I will give it a try before i go to work, see if it helps. Are your hemorrhoids internal or external KB? Mine are internal.

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Old 03-07-2009, 05:42 AM   #10
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Yep, internal which is more difficult to deal with but still a nuisance when they flare up. Correct diet usually deals with the worst symptoms. Didn't realise you suffer incontinence as well Jeeezus that must be a nightmare sometimes! I can't quite work out how you can get firm stools and incontinence at the same time but perhaps you don't get firm stools all the time?

Can't you get an office job with whoever you work for or is that out of the question? With a tendency to incontinence that machine is doing you no good at all.

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Old 03-07-2009, 08:29 AM   #11
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I can't quite work out how you can get firm stools and incontinence at the same time but perhaps you don't get firm stools all the time?
No, like u, only the first part of the first bowel movement of the day. I call it incontinence but it may not be in a medical sense. I can describe it and why it is happening.

With my last surgery tissue was removed and scarring is visible beween my anus and perineum. It looks funny as on one side a lot of tissue is gone but on the other side it looks normal with a lot more tissue. The way it should look. It does not close up completely anymore as it should either.

When i have a bowel movement and i'm finished the last part of the stool is unable at most times to fall which leaves an amount there right at the backdoor. As u could guess it is hard to clean up properly. This remaining stool will leakout eventually through the day. Sorry for being so graphic...

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Can't you get an office job with whoever you work for or is that out of the question? With a tendency to incontinence that machine is doing you no good at all.
Sometime down the road a change may be possible at the company i work for. My boss is well aware of my problems and tries to accommodate me to make it easier which iam truly thankful for.

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Old 03-07-2009, 10:44 AM   #12
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Right, I'm with you now.

Have you tried a douche yet? I had a long converation with 'fidlerget' on the use of a douche to stop getting that hard turd in the morning that tends to cause most of the problems. You might like to search for it as it's a bit too long to repeat.
Basically the douche helps to wash that hard bit out but you need to catch it before it has really firmed up so you may have to get up in the middle of the night to get the best benefits from it. An 8 hour sleep is a long time for that first stool to be hanging about in your large intestine where it is having its water content slowly extracted so that it seems hard and dry by morning.

I try not to douche on a regular basis only when I know I'm heading for a hard turd or when I'm very tender with a flare up but in your circumstances if it helped ease the pain then I wouldn't hesitate to set my alarm and flush out regularly.

Good to hear you have an understanding boss.

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Old 03-08-2009, 03:17 AM   #13
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Thanks KB for the advice. Must it be a douche or would a used and cleaned enema squirt bottled do the trick? I kept one from my last enema 2 weeks ago.

 
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