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Old 08-13-2007, 09:29 PM   #1
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LADIES - Is there any other reason a pap

May be Dx as CIN/1-2-3 or Dysplasia, or actual cancer?

Could other problems/infections/skin problems/other vaginal issues cause this to happen?

Thanks!

 
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Old 08-14-2007, 05:06 AM   #2
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Re: LADIES - Is there any other reason a pap

A PAP is a screen test. A cytologist exmines the cells collected in the media--either liquid or on a slide, then looks for abnormalities at the cellular level. Cytologist cannot see your vagina or cervix and therefore can only report that the cells that he looked at showed dysplastic abnormality (low grade or high grade)(which is not to be confused with low-risk or high risk OR mild or moderate or severe), or other un-determined abnomality (ASCUS-US). If the cytologist finds any dysplastic cells, he will grade the change as high-grade or low-grade. Both are dysplasia and require further follow-up, but it is somewhat subjective, that is, any two cytologists may interpret the same cellular change differently. Your Dr therefore cannot tell you conclusively how deep into the epithelium (cervical skin) these cell are found, or if they have invaded the stroma (tissue below the epithilium--which would indicate cervical cancer) until a biopsy is done and read by a pathologist. If you have had regular PAPS, and not previously had any dysplasia, the chances of these cells having penetrated into the stroma is VERY SLIM because the process usually takes many years to advance, if it does at all. To answer your question, no, the only way a PAP result could suggest CIN 1,2,3 or cancer would be the presence of dysplastic cells.

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Re: LADIES - Is there any other reason a pap

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May be Dx as CIN/1-2-3 or Dysplasia, or actual cancer?

Could other problems/infections/skin problems/other vaginal issues cause this to happen?

Thanks!
if your question is can the reason for the abnormal pap result be other than dysplasia/pre-cancer cells or cancer changes in your cervix, than the answer is YES.

There might be too many things that can cause and abnormal pap test (Ascus). When it comes to LSGIL or higher the presence of the cervix changed cells it's dictated therefore a colpo is required to identify the grade and scale of changes.

The main purpose of the PAP is look at drastical potential risky cervical changes, but it does detect other vaginal, ovarian, or endometrosis issues that might change the envirorment.

As far as the procedure detecting dysplasia, Piper got it all very well explained.

 
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Re: LADIES - Is there any other reason a pap

Hi,

There are many things that can cause an abnormal Pap test. Bacterial or yeast infections, herpes, trichomonas, using tampons before the test, having sex within 48 hours of the test, douching, etc. can all cause false results.

A Pap cannot, of itself, diagnose dysplasia or cancer. As mentioned previously, it is a screening test only. A biopsy will give the clear answer on what is going on.

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Lisa

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Re: LADIES - Is there any other reason a pap

PiperPilot

"To answer your question, no, the only way a PAP result could suggest CIN 1,2,3 or cancer would be the presence of dysplastic cells."

So can I assume that if several biopsies are taken and they all come back negative that they are not looking in the in the right direction?

Do you know anything about a fungus? How does one get this, and does it go into the vagina or only stays on the surface of the skin?

You seem very knowledgeable, and I truly appreciate your information.

Thanks!

 
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