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Old 07-15-2010, 06:20 AM   #1
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Alternative treatments?

Greetings from another PC member.

Here's my case. 54 yr's good health, PSA 7.4, T2a, Gleason 3+3=6. My urologist being a surgeon recommended bracytherapy performed by another specialist. Given my age and health he feels it would be the best choice. The research I've done suggests if one expects to have more than a 20 year life expectancy may want to consider other options, as data is not available for that length of time. I have taken for the time, the wait and see approach. I have been reading this blog for a month now and have gleaned a tremendous amount of info and the experiance of some you have had. My question is, has anyone have any experience or knowledge of alternative treatments like CAAT (controlled amino acid therapy) by A.P. John institute for cancer research. All comments welcome.

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Old 07-15-2010, 12:19 PM   #2
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Re: Alternative treatments?

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Greetings from another PC member.

My question is, has anyone have any experience or knowledge of alternative treatments like CAAT (controlled amino acid therapy) by A.P. John institute for cancer research. All comments welcome.
I'm not familliar with CATT but as long as I see what type of (alternative) treatment you're interested in, I have some information that might interest you. It's not for everyone and is not promoted as a cure. It's explained in the book, "The Spectrum", by Dr. Dean Ornish. His book is mostly about (diet and exercise) measures for reversing coronary artery disease. But he devotes a chapter to prostate cancer (prevention and reversal).

He provides details of a clinical study whereby elderly men with high PSA numbers were put on a strict diatary regimen and eventually lowered their numbers. He said their sucess was equal to the effort they put in. In other words, those who stuck to the diet lowered their numbers the most.

These were all men who had decided before hand that they were not going to have their cancer treated by conventional means because of advanced age, and their cancer was not the agressive type. They were just practicing "watchful waiting". So they had nothing to lose by participating in this clinical study.

Even if you don't do it, it wouldn't hurt to learn about it. And it might help.

P.S. I've been on a "plant based diet" that I learned about in the book, "The China Study" by T. Colin Campbell. I started 4 years ago for the purpose of prevention and I'm very happy with it. My diet before that was good but included animal protein. In addition to the chapter on PC in "The Spectrum", reading "The China Study" could help you a lot, in my opinion.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

 
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Re: Alternative treatments?

Hi yalowega and welcome to the board!

At the moment JohnR41 has provided some good information. I'll add some comments in green.


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Greetings from another PC member.

Here's my case. 54 yr's good health, PSA 7.4, T2a, Gleason 3+3=6. My urologist being a surgeon recommended bracytherapy performed by another specialist. Given my age and health he feels it would be the best choice.

Leading medical organizations are now suggesting that "active surveillance" be the go-to approach for low risk men, or at least that it get prominent consideration. Your PSA, stage and Gleason are all consistent with "low risk". Other characteristics often considered include whether the number of biopsy cores with cancer was less than 34%, whether the rise in PSA in the preceding year was less than 1, and whether no nodule was found by the Digital Rectal Exam. Some of the major active surveillance are quite comfortable with a man your age taking that approach, though others are not. My own informed layman's opinion is that active surveillance looks promising for patients of any age, though the experts like to see superior test results and monitor especially diligently with younger patients.

The research I've done suggests if one expects to have more than a 20 year life expectancy may want to consider other options, as data is not available for that length of time.

I think you are getting that from the urologist's sales pitch. If you want some interesting numbers and graphs, take a look at the thread entitled "Choosing a therapy - lessons from the Prostate Cancer Results Study Group," started on May 22, 2010. Actually, sound studies in their assessment with the longest follow-up and impressive success rates were virtually all radiation studies, with surgery not faring so well. Average follow up in several radiation studies was in the fourteen and fifteen year zone, making it likely that a substantial number of patients (with the longest follow-up) were close to, at or beyond the twenty year mark. Moreover, in radiation studies, the success rate tends strongly to flat line, meaning very few failures after the first few years, in contrast to the success lines for surgery studies.

I have taken for the time, the wait and see approach. I have been reading this blog for a month now and have gleaned a tremendous amount of info and the experiance of some you have had. My question is, has anyone have any experience or knowledge of alternative treatments like CAAT (controlled amino acid therapy) by A.P. John institute for cancer research. All comments welcome.

I've never heard of that approach.

Take care,

Jim

 
Old 07-16-2010, 06:26 AM   #4
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Re: Alternative treatments?

Thank-you Gentlemen. You both are fountain of knowledge. I will keep posting my experiances with this journey for all to learn.

 
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Re: Alternative treatments?

Jim,
Do you have the link to the Prostate Cancer Study Group? I have seen summaries published also Dr Grimm's presentation, but can't find the entire study.
Thanks,
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Re: Alternative treatments?

Hi John,

You asked:


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Do you have the link to the Prostate Cancer Study Group? I have seen summaries published also Dr Grimm's presentation, but can't find the entire study.
Thanks,
JohnT
I started a thread about this that will give you the lead you need. It's entitled: "Choosing a therapy - lessons from the Prostate Cancer Results Study Group." I keep checking and have not seen that this work has been formally published yet. I believe they intend to do it. Also, while they number each symbol (for the different therapies) in their success graphs to show the source publication, I have not been able to access those sources. If you are able to do so, please let me know. I intend to call them (the Prostate Cancer Treatment Center) about that but haven't gotten around to it. Alternately, I may try to contact one of the expert doctors who participated in the group.

Take care,

Jim

 
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