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Old 09-24-2010, 08:01 AM   #1
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Close call!

My PSA came back .02! My previous post-op PSA's were: .04, .03., .02, .05, and now .02. After the sudden rise to .05, I implemented a little strategy prior to the last test.

Two weeks prior to the test I went on a stricter diet than I usually follow, which is almost 100% vegetarian to start with. The most significant change I made during the two weeks was to consume three bowls of tomato sauce every day. The sauce contains a lot of garlic. I mean a lot! No beer. That was a sacrifice. I only drank water, two cups of coffee, and blueberry smoothies made from soymilk.

So what did I learn from this experiment? I welcome comments and ideas.

Could the previous .05 have been the anomaly?

Would my PSA have been higher if I didn't do the strategy? Would it now be .06? Or .08 for instance, and an apparent BCR? Did I shield the 'real' PSA score? I won't know until the next test.

Diet affects PSA? To confirm this premise, before my next test, I should eat fatty and fried foods, meat, dairy, and abstain from the good foods I usually eat for comparison purposes.

Nah, I don't think I'll do that. For now, I'm just going to breath a sigh of relief and be grateful for the low score this time.

Peace,

john

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Old 09-28-2010, 10:21 AM   #2
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Re: Close call!

Hi John,

Whew! I'll put some thoughts in green.


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My PSA came back .02! My previous post-op PSA's were: .04, .03., .02, .05, and now .02. After the sudden rise to .05, I implemented a little strategy prior to the last test.

Two weeks prior to the test I went on a stricter diet than I usually follow, which is almost 100% vegetarian to start with. The most significant change I made during the two weeks was to consume three bowls of tomato sauce every day. The sauce contains a lot of garlic. I mean a lot! No beer. That was a sacrifice. I only drank water, two cups of coffee, and blueberry smoothies made from soymilk.

So what did I learn from this experiment? I welcome comments and ideas.
I think the nutritional tactics might have made the difference, perhaps blunting a recurrence, though it's impossible to say for sure. Lycopene, from the tomato sauce, looked like a sure winner as a tactic a number of years ago, but then larger, more rigorous trial results went south. However, as with so many of these tactics, genes could explain the up versus neutral results. A lot of research on lycopene and prostate cancer continues. I continue to get two to four servings daily, but I'm delighted to be off the 12 ounce can of cooked tomatoes my wife served me daily during the first year after diagnosis! (I did not turn red.) Garlic is also in the "looks promising column," and 200 mg of soy daily gave good results in a well executed trial. Blueberries are a powerful antioxidant. By the way, cutting down on the beer probably did not help much, but you might want to substitute red wine, which is in the favorable tactics column. I've consumed two glasses of red wine daily for years, except for when I substitute an occasional beer.

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Could the previous .05 have been the anomaly?
Yes. It's possible some extra blood from the same blood draw is still available. If so, that could be retested. I had that happen to me once (PSA went from just under 8 to 20 in a month or two , but a retest from extra blood and a fresh test both confirmed the anomaly.

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Would my PSA have been higher if I didn't do the strategy? Would it now be .06? Or .08 for instance, and an apparent BCR?
That's a possibility.

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Did I shield the 'real' PSA score? I won't know until the next test.
I've heard experts say that of all cancers, prostate cancer is the major cancer that is the most responsive to nutritional tactics. Nutrition affects cancer growth. That's not shielding; it's an altered reality. For instance, the impressive original trial of 8 ounces of quality pomegranate juice daily lengthened the time it took for PSA to double (a good thing) in men recurring after surgery from an average of around 15 months to an average of around 51 months (in the fifties, but I think 51). That took the men from a situation where the recurrences would probably need treatment to a situation where follow-up treatment would probably not ever be needed. For those who continued on the juice beyond two years, the doubling time extended to an astounding 88 months! The study was relatively small, but the figures were so soundly based that I'm convinced they will stand up. We should have results from a follow-on study very shortly. Talk about an altered reality!

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Diet affects PSA? To confirm this premise, before my next test, I should eat fatty and fried foods, meat, dairy, and abstain from the good foods I usually eat for comparison purposes.

Nah, I don't think I'll do that. For now, I'm just going to breath a sigh of relief and be grateful for the low score this time.

Peace,

john
Hey, I was all up for your follow-up science experiment. Darn!

Please keep us posted.

Take care,

Jim

 
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Old 09-28-2010, 11:29 AM   #3
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Re: Close call!

Thanks for the excellent reply Jim. I respect your opinions and I love your data points. I have to admit I was nervous for this latest PSA test because of the previous spike up to .05 from .02. Had my most recent test come back over .05, I'd probably be looking at some additional treatment.

I'm not a fan of radiation, so I was looking into high dose Vitamin C given intravenously. Have you heard of that holistic treatment for cancer? There are some absolutely amazing claims made which makes me hesitant, but I was looking. Now that I'm back to the comfortable .02, I'll just enjoy life, keep on the sauce (tomato of course), and wait until the next test.

peace

 
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