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Old 03-09-2010, 02:04 PM   #1
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7 yr old stomach pain and bad gas

My 7 year old daughter has a history of stomach pains and bad gas. This has been going on since she was around 3. Here are her symptoms:
- Stomach pain comes and goes.
- Usually shows up as we are sitting down to eat or during a meal. Sometimes shortly after a meal.
- Pain subsides after 5 or 10 minutes.
- Stomach pain is at and around her navel.
- It does not hurt to push lightly on the area.
- Pain is severe enough where she needs to lay down until it goes away, but not so severe that she is crying or doubled over.
- Pain spells will disappear for a month or so, then come back and happen every day for weeks.
- She has always had bad gas.

Here is what we have tried thus far in trying to identify what is wrong. When she was 3 we saw a GI specialist. After a brief checkup with no testing he said that her symptoms were related to digestion, intestinal, and bowel movement problems 98% of the time. He said that girls usually outgrow this problem, prescribed a stool softener, and sent us home. Like a lot of kids, our daughter had some bowel movement problems at that age so this all made sense. We gave her the stool softener for awhile, which helped the bowel movements, but the stomach pain while eating persisted. Next we tried taking all dairy away for 3 weeks to see if she is lactose intolerant and that was not the answer either. After 3 weeks of no dairy the pain kept coming and going with her meals. We have mentioned her symptoms to a couple of pediatric doctors since and they always say the same thing, "very common in young children and she will outgrow it." Well, she is now 7 and still having these pains. We thought it might be in her head, but she is not using this as an excuse to skip meals. She will say things like "I am hungry, but my stomach started hurting again so I can't eat." I mentioned the gas problem as well because it seems like it would/should be related. We only have on child, so I don't know how gassy kids usually are, but my daughter seems to have a lot of gas. The gas is consistent and does not come and go with the stomach pain.

If someone has a direction we could possibly take please let me know. I am getting frustrated in seeing my daughter in pain.

Thanks for you help.

 
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Old 03-09-2010, 04:39 PM   #2
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Re: 7 yr old stomach pain and bad gas

I would suggest eliminating all wheat/gluten from her diet for 4-6 weeks and see if any of her symptoms improve. Just a side note, a heat pack on her tummy when she does have pains may help relieve it. Make sure she is eating protein snacks throughout the day, and that she's chewing her food thoroughly when she eats.

Good Luck!

 
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I would DEFINITELY do as previously stated, and eliminate gluten. My daughter is now 21 - and was FINALLY diagnosed with Celiac Disease. Looking back - she has had intermittend symptoms all her life - but they would come and go, so we never really followed up until she started school to become a baking/pastry chef and completely got sick! It's the first place I personally would start...just remember that gluten is in soooo many things and it can be hard for her, especially if she's away from home, in school, or at a friends house.

 
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Re: 7 yr old stomach pain and bad gas

Thank you very much for the replies. Do you have an opinion on why my daughter's stomach would hurt prior to eating a meal? Do you think there might be a psychological component to her stomach pain coming at meal time? I will start reading up on gluten and wheat, thank you for giving me a possible direction to head.

 
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omg you are the first person that I have seen had this problem I have been having problems like this when I was little and it has continued I have been seeing an gastro doctor as well that is what he said when i was that age I tried a month with no milk because he thought that I was alergic to milk but I was not it ended up being a problem with my digestion.... you should have them check into that I am so sorry that your child is going through this please post how they are doing I hope well/ better.

 
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Thank you very much for the replies. Do you have an opinion on why my daughter's stomach would hurt prior to eating a meal? Do you think there might be a psychological component to her stomach pain coming at meal time? I will start reading up on gluten and wheat, thank you for giving me a possible direction to head.
I had this as well before I ate... I would not rule out a digestive problem that is what I had and I was sick before I ate... if i did not eat for a while during the day try having her pack some thing to bring with her like a package of peanut butter crackers... it does not solve the pain but the hot pad does help me some times I feel like i am having really bad cramps when I have this..... and I got really scared.... I did not know what was going on i finally got diagnosed when I was 16.... it took that long that is why I am asking you to watch her.... please dont let your daughter go through this pain.... you are a great mother... and she should be proud to have you as a mother. you are taking great care by asking people on here... I hope all is well. please ask your daughter for me if she has the worst pain before or after meals? and what foods agervate her the most if any.

 
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Re: 7 yr old stomach pain and bad gas

My now six year old daughter has the exact same issues and has had them for years. Our ped simply says it is normal for kids to have stomach pains and that she will grow out of them. My friend has even commented though that my daughter could compete w a trucker in terms of gas.

I am so curious how your daughter is and what type of treatment you pursued.

Thank you, Karin

 
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Re: 7 yr old stomach pain and bad gas

i am just curious, esp when you visited the GI doc? did he or has any doc yet simply ran her liver labs recently, and all other labs to simply check for ANY abnormalities there? you mentioned that GI doc did not actually DO any testing at all? the other thing that really just should be done at THIS point,unless it has actually been done at some time in all this is a full abdominal ultrasound just to see the inside and any possible areas that could be not formed exactly right(congenital malformations, intestinal/upper GI), along with possible organ issues esp the pancreas just considering the connection to eating.

simply checking her amylaise and lipase enzymes would tell in most cases whether or not she has some type of inflammatory process going on with her pancreas which DOES send out the needed digestive enzymes. i do believe those would be stimulated BEFORE she is getting ready to eat, cannot recall for certain tho.

but honestly, since this just HAS been going on for sooo very long now, if they have not yet looked "into" the full abdominal, both upper and lower GI they seriously need to do that now. an ultrasound and using that doppler tool can simply see alot down to how all bloodflow is and the bile ducts,head of the pancreas and even look into certain areas of other organs too. its just a really great test/scan to check for abnormalities in the abdomen and GI tracts.

and if anything at all just does not appear to be "right' then there are more deeper and better types of tests(like a barium GI test, or ERCP to see upper GI) and scans they could do then too. but knowing whether or not they have just ever really looked into 'her" at all would be helpful. esp if they have not.

i just hate that your daughter is suffering at all with esp abdominal pain. by the way, ice is actually better than placing heat on the abdomen, esp if you do not yet know for certain just exactly what the issue is in there. while ice in almost any situation unless strictly contraindicated by a doc for some crazy reason, is almost always much safer than applying heat. heat can exacerbate certain problems like swelling or any potential bleeding that can just exist in any underlying area too. ice really helped my son to deal with the pain from liver failure. esp since we could not give him the standard OTC analgesics like tylenol.

but if you could list ANY types of real testing they have actually done on her to simply rule certain things in or out, it would really be helpful to know. good luck with this. i do hope they can fiigure this out sooner vs later for hers and your sake too. Marcia
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Re: 7 yr old stomach pain and bad gas

Thank you everyone for the replies and suggestions. Since last spring when I initially started this thread our daughter's condition has improved. We took the suggestion of one of the posters and started limiting and tracking wheat and gluten. We have not completly emilinated these from her diet, but make sure she does not get too much of either. The result has been a much healther diet that contains more fruit and vegatables, and less snacks, bread, pasta, and other high in wheat foods. If my daughter does have stomach pain we can usually trace it back to someting that was eaten within the last 24 hours. For example, she was recently at a friend's house and ate a half a bag of the snack goldfish. The next morning when we were sitting down for breakfast her stomach started hurting. Through this whole process the biggest disappointment has been the medical community. It is clear now that our daughter's situaiton is directly related to her diet. Every doctor and specialist we went to never mentioned this and every single one said something to the effect of "she will grow out of it" and "this is normal for little girls." I guess if money can't be made by prescribing medicaiton or some sort of procedure, then there are no answers.

 
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Reading this brought tears to my eyes. The situation you have described is identical in every way to my situation with my 7 year old daughter. Same timeline as well. This started a month before her 4th b-day. Her GI dr has done bloodwork, xrays, ultrasounds and MRI. They found she has an enlarged pancreas and elevated levels of Amylase in her bloodwork. But they insist it is unrelated to her stomach pain and that it will fix itself in time. They did a biopsy to test for celiac's disease and it turned out negative, but maybe I will also try eliminating wheat/gluten in her diet anyway. I am desperate to find out the cause. Any additional suggestions are welcomed.

 
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Re: 7 yr old stomach pain and bad gas

honey, just 'exactly' where IS her actual pain located(please be as specific as possible)? for any doc to say, unless this pain is wayyyy over on the other side of her body/secular area totally AWAY from her pancreas, that her pancreas cannot possibly be the source of her pain, with also having at least one of the two main enzymes also elevated(it DOES show 'something is up in that pancreas) is kinda crazy really. when just considering that when ANY body organ with the exception of the liver itself which like the brain, does not truely 'feel pain' in the normal sense has even 'some type of real inflammation going on, it usually shows it with at the very least 'some' type of pain. and she, like i said has indicators of possible inflam too with simply havng an elevated amylaise as well.

where is here lipase in comparrison to the norm ratios? if you do not already have a copy of her labs sheet(s), get them,and ALWAYS continue to get ANY testing results done anywhere on her, or you along with the rest of your family too for that matter so you yourself simply have all of a more complete medical history in a file at home for YOUR own use too. you need these for comparritive purposes(esp with your daughters curren situation), trust me. this also allows YOU to simply see all of her individual labs along with what her numbers just are. and wayyy over to the far R side, it also lists what the 'expected standard normal ratios" are too for THAT individual/specific lab? so you CAN see by just looking at the sheets just what labs are sitting at midrange normal, where every child(and most adults) should just 'be', or if you notice the other pancreatic enzyme(lipase) going over that midrange norm too which would indicate it is probably 'creeping up" over the midrange normal too for some reason. and DO look closer at ALL of her hepatic labs as well just to make certain that all HER numbers are simply sitting at the midrange or lower 'normal, and not above.

have her docs mentioned anything about her having possible pancreatitis at all? my son went thru this and kept having L sided pain while he was going thru liver failure(i am in NO way saying she has liver failure, just the possibility of a more likely pancreatitis possible?). the stupid four year res who was more in charge of his case and the one we kept seeing at a hosp that was just much closer to where we lived once a month for 'clinic' than having to haul us up to the U of MN where she really was from every month. honestly, i could NOT believe the fact that every single month, for well over like four seperate visits with this idiot, my sons chief complaint was ALWAYS having that sick, and at certain times VERY painful L sided pain? she never once even bothered to simply check out his pancreas as the 'source' of that pain at all. not even checking those pancreatic enzymes. all we kept hearing from this (cannot even say what i WANT to call her here) was 'he shouldn't be having THAT much pain', period. so i just did not know what to do there with watching HIM going thru this hell like daily and her refusing to even check out that pancreas with basic lab work. but, ONLY becasue i "assumed" that she simply 'knew more' than i did, i did not push it when i seriously KNEW this was just soo not right, ya know? we went thru ALOT of ice packs during that time too since it was about the only thing that i COULD use considering the liver being in failure, which took any tylenol and advil off the table.

it was not til he was just in soo much more pain, and his lab numbers of his basic hepatics were going steadily upwards and thru the roof that she 'finally allowed' us to be seen in that ER at the U of MN where "they" DID finally check those enzymes(based mostly ON that L sided pain that she blew off, just sick really) and they too were just wayyy over the top and by THOUSANDS. it made me sick, but what made my day was her 'boss' the head of ped GI ripped her a new one for NEVER 'bothering" to check THAT out when it was so flippin simple to add onto his other regular labs he got EVERY month at 'clinic'(also soo basic and common sense logical, like duh what were you thinking?). and best of all, she was also taken off his case as well. but that was when they FINALLY knew that he WAS suffering from a really ugly case of pancreatitis that had also gotten way out of hand ONLY becasue it was allowed to run amuck unchecked and untreated with the approriate steps/meds, for many many months. you just DO have to try and stay on top of all docs involved in your childs care, get all records and question ANYTHING that you do NOT understand either. by law, they HAVE to keep YOU fully informed re your own child.
one really helpful hint here? if anything simply does NOT 'seem or feel right" to you, question it.

i am only telling you this to simply show that docs CAN be wrong at times,and some should NEVER ever even have become a doctor in the first place. they ARE only mere humans like we are and totally capable of making small and even whoppper types of mistakes. esp when in that more "diagnositic mode"? since that mode truely IS a ton of 'guesses' as to what the underlying problems just are. it will take some better more in depth testing on your daughter to 'really' even know just what IS generating her pain. anything that simply truely 'looks' inside of her at the upper GI level would be the very best way to 'see' what may be the problem. there are tests like an ERCP where they DO put her under general anesthesia and run an actual camera down thru the throat and into the stomach then down into where the bile ducts are and where the head of that pancreas just is so they can see in REAL time, and thru that actual camera, just what things simply even 'look like' in that entire upper. this really IS the very best test since it allows actual 'visual' contact and not a scan that can be a bit different in how it may show certain things in the upper GI? but an actual MR cholangiogram too is a good test that i myself recently had to have since i too have a liver disease and they found upon ultrasound that all my bile ducts were very enlarged. so that test, you drink a high iron type of "contrast medium" then wait a little bit for it to just run thru the GI, and they scan with the basic MRI to better "see' the bile ducts on over to the head of the common bile duct which just happens to be connected to that pancreas too.

but she does need some more deeper testing and honestly, just what they CAN actually check for using that ERCP test is soo much more in depth and 'real' its honestly problably the better test to use for what they still are trying to figure out here. making that dx is done by seeing signs and what symptoms anyone is dispalying that get told to the docs, then testing what areas the 'complaints' of anything simply are stemming from. just what you have described here,and depending upon just exactly 'where"her pain really just 'is" using that ERCP would really show ANY inflammation up close and personal, along with anything 'congenitally not "right" that she could have been born with that is now just 'presenting itself too. but any real blockages within that whole upper GI system could also be impacting that pancreas as well.

as her mom, you just truely are her only real advocate in all this. so it unfortuently IS up to you to at times have to push docs to simply 'do their freaking jobs' FOR your child. just keep pushing til you get answers. that really IS the very best advice i can give you in all this having been down THAT road a few too many times with my youngest.

'something" is just generating her pain that needs, not guesses, but really hard factual deeper testing that would 'show' what is possibly generating this. and if she has pain, demand that they treat it 'appropriately' depending upon severity. she DOES have that right. it IS now a law.

do one thing here if you have not doneso already? simply look up what our basic upper GI anatomy just looks like(look up just even 'pancreas/stomach") and the actual 'locations" of specific organs there too? i think you would be kind of suprised to know/see just how MUCH really kind of intertwined that pancreas AND the stomach simply 'are' in us. the pancreas for the most part, kind of 'sits on/over" the stomach, but real true deeper anatomy DOES show it kind of 'more involved" and set into, over that area OF the stomach too? so honestly, i really do NOT understand how any doc could even say with 100% certainty that her pancreas is not casuing her stomach pain when they just even "sit' the way they naturally 'do" in us either. it is also simply enlarged(pressing into that stomach, or she if "feeling/percieving like' it is her stomach when it IS the actual pancreas itself, but just the way they sit?) and inflammed. that can easily generate pain. if i were you, try asking about doing an ERCP. there just are certain things in just about any area of our body that simply WILL NOT ever actually show themselves upon ANY even the best of the best scans 'only',even with using contrast. but actually SEEING into the entire inner upper GI with an actual camera? now THATS a totally different story.

i do hope what is generating this is not something that cannot be treated pretty simply and soon. but first whatever that pain generator is and what is enlarging that pancreas simply NEEDS to be fully Dxed in her. and they DO also owe her 'appropriate pain control' too if this just IS that bad? but ice too can do wonders as we found out. just DO keep pushing all docs til you get satisfaction that they are 'doing" the right things for her. and do please keep me posted. good luck honey, marcia
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Old 04-02-2011, 10:59 PM   #12
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Re: 7 yr old stomach pain and bad gas

Hello, I know this post is old but I felt the need to say something. My daughter who is 8 has the same exact symptoms! When she was little she used to complain about stomach pain but not in a localized area. For the past year, every time she eats she says she can't eat anymore because her tummy hurts. Same thing, right around her navel. Hers is sensitive to the touch when pressing firmly on it. We had allergy tests done and she is allergic to eggs. We cut them out but still no luck. Dr. Said she does not have celiac disease, but I am convinced she does! Have you found an explanation for this yet? I hope so!

 
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One of our docs said no to celiac but it was later diagnosed. Have you researched fpies?

 
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Dear Marcia (feelbad) Thanks for your response it certainly gave me a lot of info and options. The GI dr says that my daughter had a "viral phenomonon" which caused her pancreas to become enlarged. That there's nothing they can do for it. That her body will just have to heal itself and fight off the virus. And they are not real concerned about this since her lipase levels were what they call normal (even though amylase was elevated). I am going to do as you suggested and ask for a copy of her bloodwork. I think its a great idea that I have that. I am holding off on the ERCP for now. I recently saw a program on tv about the benefits of probiotics. I went to the local drugstore and purchased a child probiotic off the shelf for $14.99. It's a grape flavored chewable tablet, to be taken once a day. It's only been about a week that she has been taking it, but her complaints of stomach pains have significantly decreased. I am not sure if it is just a coincidence yet. But it can't hurt right? I mean probiotics are supposed to be good for everyones' digestive health. And if the pain is being caused by the digestive enzymes being out of whack, maybe this could help. I thought it was worth a try. I will keep you updated.

 
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well at least you know more now than you did before, and that IS something. i really don't know alot about probiotics,but i would 'assume' they may work? just make certain that you research them too just so YOU know any possible contraindications of anything 'new' you are giving your child. they 'could' be the wonder thing here that makes things better, or they may not, just make certain to always do your homework before starting your child on anything 'new". it's just the more YOU know (re meds/condition too), who IS making the real decisions in her overall care, the more easily you can understand what any 'specialist' is talking about and also allows YOU to ask better questions and understand their answers too.

they DO actually make an Rx version of digestive enzymes that my son had to take for many months while he was dealing with the later stages of his pancreatitis that may help if the probiotics don't really 'do' anything for her. if i recall it was called "creon 10"(they are tiny granules in an capsule form)? so you DO have an option there depending upon what the doc says, and if the pros help or not.

one thing i would do here too is find out just what this actual 'viral phenomenon' actually is called or refferred to too? just so YOU know what it is specifically that she is dealing with. you simply DO need to know the "names/labels' of anything you or your child is Dxed with. esp in the case of some type of possible 'emergent' situation? the one thing that i did just becasue i was getting kinda overwhelmed with so many lab sheets and testing results since i did not want to lose anything, was bought a nice expandable folder type thing to just keep EVERYTHING inside of(and better organized) so nothing would get lost. it seriously DOES help so much to just have all of her labs and any other test results or info on her condition that you may find doing research all in that one single folder. this way you can bring that folder to every visit so you can ask better questions about anything that has been done, and also keep a pen and notebook in there too for writing down any 'good' questions at home as soon as you think of them so you do not forget it at the visit, then make certain to write down any answers too in there.

any "possible' trips to an ER(not saying this is going to occur, but you DO need to prepare for any and all 'possibles. even if its just for a pain flare) for anything that just could pop up along the way too, just grabbing that folder and going there will help TONS for any of the docs to simply even HAVE all those lab sheets from past labs to help them compare to with any new ones they do too. it saves alot of time and hassle for you too esp in that they ALWAYS ask questions about particular labs that after you have had so many, its really not easy to recall specific numbers? all you have to do is reach into that folder and pull them out so they can have that really great 'set' of what are called "trending/comparritive" labs'? those tell them alot more than you possibly can too. just something that helped/helps me ALOT. i do this now too with all my many medical problems as well, that unfortunetly make me have to see many different specialists. this way, everyone has the same info too. and with 'some' people who are 'supposed to" fax over certain records to any potentially 'new' type of doc she may just have to see at some point, do NOT always even 'do' their own jobs and "forget' to fax? if that happens, at least YOU do have more information in that one folder than having nothing and ending up with kind of a 'wasted" visit without ANY medical records for THAT doc? i HAVE had this happen to me once and my son twice and was very happy that i had my copies they could make their own from anyways.

but the one thing you also need to do if you go ahead and do this, is on the bottom or across the top of every document you just have in that folder is write "property of" and then your name so they KNOW they are not "theirs but yours. then ALWAYS ask for YOUR copies back to put back in that file. you never want to give away ANY of what are YOUR own documents. tell them "you can make a copy of mine", then get it back asap(i now use my address labels under the 'property of' part? works great). also obtaining, like every couple of months or every six months, depending on how often she is seeing particular docs, is also DO take the time to simply obtain ALL of her 'clinic visit notes' too? the ones that every doc simply HAS to by law make on every patient after they have ANY type of appt/visit? you would be amazed at just how much real solid info is just IN those clinic notes that you are NOT always told, and you DO have every right to get them too. these would also tell you much more about her overall condition with what every doc also has to give as their overall 'impressions' of what THEY feel is wrong and esp any real Dxes made on your child too.

all you have to do to obtain any docs clinic notes is either call the office(actually the easier way) and tell them you want to obtain your childs medical records(or ask while at the docs office). they will send you a release of information form that YOU fill out, sign and send back. then in around about a week or so, everything should just pop into your mailbox in one big folder. i have been doing this at least once a year now on me and my son since his liver failure was Dxed back in 1999, and also have never had to pay a dime for this stuff either. tho some places DO charge per sheet or document, which i personally feel is stupid, but some places just do that. but it usually is not THAT much if they do. but still worth every cent to simply HAVE all those very informative records in your possession. this is also a part of your childs medical history too. having this stuff FOR her when she gets older just "could be" possibly really crucial at some point, or may never be needed, but at least you have it for her. its just much harder to obtain anyones medical info after so many years have passed by(i 'think' its like ten years?) since, they get 'archived'.

hopefully she WILL respond soon and completely with the probiotics, but just know that they DO make rxed digestives too that may be needed. and make CERTAIN to find out the actual NAME of this viral phenomenon too, that IS crucial that you always know ANY actual real names of any diagnosises along the way. there are certain types of 'viruses" that even the majority of the population actually carry inside them that you just do not even know you have. they will only "present" in certain people under very specific conditions(people who for whatever reason become immunocompromised from illness, transplant, burns that are very severe or just severly stressed for too long),THEN it needs treatment. one of them that i KNOW about 80% of the population actually carries but our immune systems really do keep it under wraps is called CMV virus(cytomegalovirus)? my son ended up with this once he was placed on the standard immunosuppressant/antirejection meds for tx? it came on like gangbusters and needed gancyclovier by IV route,then pill form to finally get back under control again. so there just ARE certain viral things that can be there already. but you NEED that name so YOU can look it up, find out about all aspects of it and what the 'standard' recommended treatment options just are too.

being the best possiblely informed 'mom' right now will make a much better and more knowledgable "advocate' for your child, and also allows YOU to at least 'feel' like you DO have some control here as well. hopefully the probiotics will work for her. please keep me posted on what else you find out, esp the name of the virus specifically. i do hope at least some of the above info was helpful. i am really curious to know just what could 'do' this in such a young child. good luck honey, marcia
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