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Old 04-25-2005, 10:29 AM   #1
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Scientests now agree in the existence of Stealth viruses, but most doctors have little understanding(or even know these exist) of the effects of these viruses on persons system,or ways to treat them. these viruses elude conventional means of detection because they dont produce the antibody inflammatory responce normal illnesses do ie..... (they go undetected by the body and normal blood tests) this however doesnt stop these viruses from producing symptoms in a person - Chronic fatigue syndrome, Gulfwar syndrome, Fibromalgya,thyroid dysfuntion, even cancer. The methods to detect these viruses are complex and expensive, and the few treatments are antivirals, and thinning the blood so the body can detect them(these viruses hide in blood clotting). Most of these viruses are members of the Herpes virus family, Ebstein barr, enteroviruses(chicken pox), and several others.

CFS might acually be caused by a Stealth virus,from what Ive read about stealth viruses, these can be pretty freaky scared the hell out of me just reading about it, truth is maybe a large percentage of the population is infected with any number of these stealth viruses, some more prone to get sick than others, whats even more scary is that pharmacutical companys pay so politians dont mention stuff like this, Stealth viruses have been linked to alot of mental dissorders(Alzhiemers, diemetia), and colon cancer, pharmacutical companys only treat the symptoms, and not the underlying cause so people never get better and continue to shell out cash to alleveate the symptoms(IBS, CFS, Gulfwar syndrome) the polio vaccination actually contains some of these stealth viruses. Some of those conspiracy theory nuts actually belive these stealth viruses were created by the CIA, considering that CIA conducted infection trials on the general population of florida in 1950's with(I forget the name of the illness something common in the 50's) in recently declassified documents, beliving that these stealth viruses are man made isnt too hard to belive, but who really knows

What I know is that treatment consists of antivirals, hyperbarric chamber treatment, thinning of the blood, immuno boosters, multi vitamins, and herbal remedies, these are usually perscribed to people with CFS, and Gulfwar(many Gulfwar vets with Gulfwar syndrome belive that the vaccinations gave them GWS), it may take as long as a decade for scientests to understand this better, but if the general public was made aware that they have viruses in there bodys they dont know about, alot of people would be angry no one was working on solving the problems, and making them pay out of pocket for it.

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Old 04-25-2005, 10:41 AM   #2
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I will look in my bookmarks to see what I have about stealth viruses. My infectious disease doc believes that CF is caused from a genetic component as well as a virus. The nerve damage I have (I am told) is caused from the virus that is attacking my nerve tissues. We do not know which virus I have as there are 40 out there. My Epstein -Barr and Coxsackie was raised but not enough so he is thinking it's one of the viruses they have yet to determine.

Old 04-25-2005, 01:34 PM   #3
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I tend to believe less in a "stealth" virus and more of a genetic susceptibility to the harmful effects of being exposed to certain pathogens. That is not to say that they don't exist as I'm sure there are probably several viruses not yet discovered, but it doesn't seem to add up.

Take Multiple Sclerosis for example...what we know is that this illness is a disorder that causes the destruction of the myelin sheath that protects the nerves. From what I gather, scientists have been searching for decades trying to pinpoint a specific viral infection that may be present in the nervous system causing the immune system to attack and destroy not only the virus but the nervous system itself.

Since scientists haven't been able to pinpoint any specific pathogen and from the research performed in animal studies, it is regarded as an autoimmune disease, but what then sets this illness in motion and who is at risk? If there was a stealth virus going around causing so much destruction, why haven't there been outbreaks and epidemics across certain localized regions of the world where hundred or thousands have been afflicted all at the same time? This leads us to believe that there must be a genetic component involved. An individuals genetic makeup is responsible for why some people can never contract Multiple Sclerosis, Chicken Pox, Poison Ivy, or even HIV (believe it or not, there are people on this planet, because of a specific genetic resistance to HIV, CAN NOT contract AIDS! Scientists, after discovering this gene in women from Africa, are researching this extensively in the hopes that ALL people could eventually be made immune to HIV).

I'll even give you an example from an episode of "Medical Mysteries" I saw just last night on Discovery Health Channel (an awesome station by the way). Apparently, there was a contaminated supply of ice cream being distributed around the country that had a dangerous form of Salmonella in it. Now, thousands of people may have eaten this ice cream but only a select few teenagers became seriously ill from the poisoning which involved severe stomach cramping and diarrhea that would not let up. After several medical examinations, the final discovery of Salmonella poisoning and removal of the contaminated source, these individuals were left still feeling ill even after antibiotic treatment. What the doctors discovered was these individuals have a known rare genetic susceptibility to Salmonella that causes them to have severe arthritis pain. Since there is no known cure for it yet, they will sadly continue to suffer ever increasing pain as the years pass and have to manage it as best they can with pain killers and anti-inflammatories.

This gives you an idea of how sometimes its not only the pathogen involved but how your body will react to that pathogen that causes illness. So in the case of CFS, maybe coming across certain viruses or bacterias that we are genetically susceptible to started this condition. Now, it seems, its up to science to discover what causes it, how to prevent it, and how to correct an existing case.

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Old 04-25-2005, 05:27 PM   #4
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I forgot to mention that the illnesses produced by these pathegens need certain conditions to be right for them to cause illness, in many cases auto immune conditions can be the cause, I know my mother has had thyroid problems since she was a girl, and she says it may have started when she had a prolonged episode of the flu, so I belive you are right in that sense, truth is science has a long way to go in the understanding of pathogens, and the indivdual reasponses to these pathogens. we have barely scratched the surface, in 10 or 15 years alot more may be known about these, how ever changes in the medical community are slow, so it could take longer

Old 04-26-2005, 01:12 PM   #5
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Dazednconfusous, yes, unfortunately, medical science may still be a long ways off from discovering the true link between viral/bacteria infections and the potential of long-term damage caused by them under certain genetic conditions. The immune system is an extremely complicated piece of machinery...believe it or not, scientists once believed it behaved solely on its own and independent of other systems of the body. We now know for sure that NO system of our bodies work completely indepedent of the others...its all interconnected in some way which makes the whole thing MUCH MORE complicated! The unraveling of the innerworkings of the human body is a daunting task to say the least. It's literally so complicated that no specialist in any field of medicine can work in his field without knowing a tremendous amount about other fields of medicine. Makes you wonder if anyone will ever be smart enough to learn EVERYTHING there is to know doesn't it? I love your screenname by the way.

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