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Old 11-21-2005, 04:20 PM   #1
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Question Adrenal Fatigue?

Does anyone know if long term stress can cause CFS. I have been diagnosed with panic disorder and fibromyalgia. After being on tranquilizers for 15 years I discontinued them. The withdrawal of these drugs was a major shock to my nervous system. It took me two years to gradulally withdraw. During those years I had more anxiety and pain symptoms one could imagine. I also had this feeling of severe fatigue. This fatigue has more or less been with me for some 7 years now. For the last two years it was bearable until recently. I seem to be right back where I started. I now have trouble walking around the block without feeling extremely tired. I do believe that some if not all my fatigue is coming from stress. I took all the ebv tests and my doctor said it was not that. I'mk starting to read about adrenal fatigue. I have many of the symptoms. Right now it seems because of this tired and weak feeling I'm getting more stressed out and it is leading to those old feelings of panic. Any ideas would be appreciated.

 
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Old 11-22-2005, 09:29 AM   #2
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Re: Adrenal Fatigue?

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Does anyone know if long term stress can cause CFS. I have been diagnosed with panic disorder and fibromyalgia. After being on tranquilizers for 15 years I discontinued them. The withdrawal of these drugs was a major shock to my nervous system. It took me two years to gradulally withdraw. During those years I had more anxiety and pain symptoms one could imagine. I also had this feeling of severe fatigue. This fatigue has more or less been with me for some 7 years now. For the last two years it was bearable until recently. I seem to be right back where I started. I now have trouble walking around the block without feeling extremely tired. I do believe that some if not all my fatigue is coming from stress. I took all the ebv tests and my doctor said it was not that. I'mk starting to read about adrenal fatigue. I have many of the symptoms. Right now it seems because of this tired and weak feeling I'm getting more stressed out and it is leading to those old feelings of panic. Any ideas would be appreciated.
cougar,
Welcome, have you researched Addison's disease or Adrenal dysfunction...?
When my symptoms started over 2 years ago...it started with neurological dysfunction feelings along with the adrenaline fight or flight, and extreme fatigue...I was one who could handle stressful situatons for 30plus years, who became unable to, along with multi-tasking, putting sentences together and memory problems....The other symptoms were hypoglycemia, low blood pressure, low temp, tender point pain, when I went into Adrenal crisis blood pressure dropped very low to 80/50, temp dropped to 96.2, nausea, no appetite, exteme weight loss, all over muscle and tissue pain and fatigue, there were other tell-tale symptoms as well.

In the begining, back in early 2004, I was dx'd with Fibromyalgia, then Chronic Myfascial Pain, too. When I went to a Fibro and Fatigue Specialist in November '04, he dx'd me with CFIDS; due to many other symptoms including tender lymph nodes, sore and hoarse throats, and eventually testing positive with active cellular viral/bacterial infections and Candida overgrowth. My lab work showed Adrenal dysfunction as well, which may very will Addisons Disease.

I've been treated with natural hormones, supplements and Fludrocortizone and hydrocortizone was started during a Adrenal crisis back in May '05. It is amazing, when these dysfunctions or problem areas are addressed, my symptoms have lessened, and I feel so much better!

My blood pressure is up to in 120/75-130/80, my temperature is up to 98.2, in all my life I accepted low blood pressure and low temperature, thinking it was normal for me. Now, I know if they drop, something isn't quite right in my body...either I need more fluids, or I need a boost with the immune system...

CFS is brought on by a dramatic event, emotional or physical, it can be from a death in the family, a car accident, some type of surgery, some type of emotional loss, or an illness. There is a genetic predispositon to Fibro and CFS. Along with underlying causes that contribute to the severity of the illness.

The good news is there is testing and treatment to address and take care of these underlying causes so that you can have a quality of life again...you don't have to live with the loss of who you were before the onset.

Another thing is, you'll feel much better by setting boundaries, becoming disapplined with rest, diet; eliminating the foods or chemicals that contribute to your symptoms, scheduling your activities for the day, not over loading, learning to say "No", asking for help when needed. Create a support team, Have a Physical Therapist, who can be your life coach and include a massage weekly; (Swedish, Lymphatic, Cranial Sacrial, Polarity...), this has been one of the key treatments for me.

Have you have Fibromyalgia prior to the panic attacks or at the same time they started? Or how long were you experiencing the panic attacks before the Fibro dx? I ask, bc, it all came on at the same time for me, I thought, it must be my hormones out of wack (pre-menopause? or something), I was wrong...it was the illness playing havoc with me.

Sorry, this is so long, I hope that this helps, and I didn't get too far off track, uvm

 
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Old 12-01-2005, 11:05 AM   #3
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Re: Adrenal Fatigue?

Thanks for your replies. I'm trying to figure this out. I really think that my fatigue is coming from severe anxiety related to both the withdrawal of benzos and my own preexisting anxiety disorder. The anxiety has been underlying for many years now. What I find interesting is that in Claire Weekes books she desribes extreme fatigue from long term stress and panic attacks. Could it be that I am one of those patients she has treated who were exhausted from nervous illness? I now really need to know what suppliments i should take to build up my adrenal glands. I've heard that DHEA or pregnelone are very important in adrenal fatigue. Anyone know what to take for adrenals?

 
Old 12-01-2005, 02:01 PM   #4
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Re: Adrenal Fatigue?

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Does anyone know if long term stress can cause CFS. I have been diagnosed with panic disorder and fibromyalgia. After being on tranquilizers for 15 years I discontinued them. The withdrawal of these drugs was a major shock to my nervous system. It took me two years to gradulally withdraw. During those years I had more anxiety and pain symptoms one could imagine. I also had this feeling of severe fatigue. This fatigue has more or less been with me for some 7 years now. For the last two years it was bearable until recently. I seem to be right back where I started. I now have trouble walking around the block without feeling extremely tired. I do believe that some if not all my fatigue is coming from stress. I took all the ebv tests and my doctor said it was not that. I'mk starting to read about adrenal fatigue. I have many of the symptoms. Right now it seems because of this tired and weak feeling I'm getting more stressed out and it is leading to those old feelings of panic. Any ideas would be appreciated.
couger2347,
Hello,
CFS or CFIDS (which includes dysfunction of the immune system) is not caused by long term stress, but stress can be one of the contributing factors along with others causing the flaring of symptoms. This is based on what I've learned as a patient of Dr. Kent Holtorf, Chief Medical Director of The Fibromyalgia and Fatigue Centers.

Just over two years ago, I started experiencing adrenal dysfunction...didn't know that was what is was called! Prior to, sleeping had been disrupted over the last year or so and experienced fast and irregular heart pulsations. I thought it was pre-menopause or hormonal...

I experienced adrenaline rushes at the wrong time, CNS rushes, tremors, tossing and turning all night...eventually, waking in the morning more exhausted than the night B4.

Then in October, I lost my dad at the same time we were in the middle of opening another branch, since we're the main branch there was many department structural changes and lots of training of staff to do. I have worked over 20 plus years, handled all kinds of stress B4...what's up??!

Then I got real sick with a viral infection in Nov '03, which became a lung infection in Dec '04. After that with each passing week more symptoms appeared...extreme fatigue, nausea, what turned out to be Fibro tender points, hypoglycemia, hyperthyroidism, weight loss, muscle and connective tissue pain, sore throat, there were afternoons that I could hardly stand up or walk, somehow I'd make it through work...would fall asleep in the car B4 driving 8 minutes home...the list goes on and on. I know you probably can relate.

Now, back to the topic. Does long term stress cause CFS?

No! FMS and CFS disorders- cause are bodies not to function correctly- includes hormone dysfunction, adrenal dysfunction, Central Nervous System dysfunction, Autotomic Nervous System dysfunction, Mytochondria dysfunction, mal-absortion dysfunction, immune system dysfunction, blood coagulation dysfunction, pain sensory dysfunction...

Based on Dr. Holtorf's findings:
First, there is a genetic predisposition...then either an illness (ie: lung infection during winter, etc...), traumatic event, hormone dysfunction, or sleep disorder happens, or a combination there of.

Then as our systems become affected, causing other symptoms, which triggers into a cascade effect with no relief insight. We can have mild symptoms off and on for years prior to the time a major onset occurs that stays.

Next, due to these illnesses every body system may become effected. For me that has been true. From my previous posts under FMS, Environmental illnesses- Neurotoxins and Addison's Disease, you can see the last 2 years of ups and down, along with dx's and treatment.

I will be posting today, how well I'm doing now, on another post. Please see an Endocrinolgist or a specialist who includes a back ground in it or hormone and longevity. And have them check for the adrenal dysfunction or Addison's Disease. It is amazing how much better you'll feel, once properly dx and the underlying problems treated.

I wish you the best. hope you find the answers soon, uvm

 
Old 12-02-2005, 04:20 PM   #5
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Re: Adrenal Fatigue?

CFS is caused both by stress and drugs/medicines - try detoxing seriously with something like Gerson therapy or Schulze incurables [master herbalist] programs. I know Gerson works - it will also build you up physically. Even if stress were your only cause [and you know it isn't] your body is now in a place where it needs rebuilt.

I got severe CFS after a general anaesthetic and the doctors did nothing but gerson therapy got me standing and walking again in a short time, then the fatigue went. Bit by bit I see recovery every day and I have the most horrific symptoms...

 
Old 12-03-2005, 02:40 PM   #6
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Re: Adrenal Fatigue?

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Thanks for your replies. I'm trying to figure this out. I really think that my fatigue is coming from severe anxiety related to both the withdrawal of benzos and my own preexisting anxiety disorder. The anxiety has been underlying for many years now. What I find interesting is that in Claire Weekes books she desribes extreme fatigue from long term stress and panic attacks. Could it be that I am one of those patients she has treated who were exhausted from nervous illness? I now really need to know what suppliments i should take to build up my adrenal glands. I've heard that DHEA or pregnelone are very important in adrenal fatigue. Anyone know what to take for adrenals?
couger2347,

Currently, I take DHEA, Pregnelone, Energy Extract and Fludrocortizone for the adrenal dysfunction. I'm not sure if you can count Porcine Liver Extract, too in this catagory. When I was in adrenal crisis back in May '05 my doctor also prescribed Hydrochloride and Topral to help with the adrenals.

I believe the thyroid as something to do with the Adrenal system, too. uvm

 
Old 12-03-2005, 03:08 PM   #7
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Re: Adrenal Fatigue?

What was the Toprol given for the adrenals for? Don't mean to sound like a dumb, dumb? I also have problems with my autonomic system and wondered how the Toprol was supposed to help that. I am taking 12.5 mg for tachycardia. Was originally given for hyperthyroid labs with tachycardia.

Ginny

 
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