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Old 04-13-2004, 10:22 AM   #1
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Deep Cleaning

Just went to my Dentist for a cleaning, they measured my gums with the little needles and said I need Deep Cleaning on I use a Sonicare toothbrush everyday and have for several years, they want to charge me 169 per section and they want to do 3 sections...507.00 dollars. How do I know if I really need a deep cleaning or is it just another way to get money for cleaning..While I was there they did complete oral exam, x-rays and what they called a full mouth debrediment, which seems like a high pressure cleaning and cjarged me 208 for that. But thay say thats not good enough and I need a deep cleaning very badly but they cant do it for 2 months, if I needed it that bad why would they take so long to work me in to get it done. Isnt there something a person can do on his own to do up under the gums.

 
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Old 04-13-2004, 11:19 AM   #2
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Re: Deep Cleaning

Hi Jody,

When they poked your gums with 'needles' what they were doing was measuring the depth of the pockets surrounding your teeth with a Periodontal probe. It has measurements in increments of millimeters. What this will do is tell the hygienist what state of health your gums are in. Generally, if the numbers are 1,2,3 the gums are healthy (barring recession) and anything above a 4 indicates areas of bone loss or gum disease. The higher the number (up to about 12 mm) indicate the worst areas of disease. Usually, if there are generalized 6mm and above or localized areas of 7mm or above then a deep cleaning is necessary. There are other factors but this is a basic idea. If you could remember the numbers they read or were told to you, that would help me a great deal.

So, back to the cleaning. First and foremost, the Sonicare is not the answer to everything tooth related. People sometimes think that the Sonicare will be the cure to every tooth related malady. However, if you went in and all they could do today was an exam and debridement, sounds like you had a tremendous amount of calculus or tartar buildup. Probably most of it was beneath the gumline and between the teeth especially. A general debridement removes the bulk of the buildup, allowing us to get a more accurate reading of the gums as well as a visual look for decay on roots, recession measurements and so on.

This in no way is an opportunity for us to make money off of you or anybody. I am well aware that it does cost a great deal of money, and I personally will work my butt off to keep the appointments down to help with the cost. Now, when you have years of build up on the teeth and covering the entire root surface it takes time to remove it. We cannot do a thorough job in an hour. If you hypothetically missed the last 3 years of cleanings, you have then missed 6 cleanings. That would be 6 hours of scaling. Or put that into a cost of $120 per visit or so. Thats a lot more than what you are paying now. Just in one lump sum rather than being spread out over the last 3 years. And for each cleaning you missed, that build up becomes harder and harder as more minerals become embedded in that buildup. I have seen tartar that could have passed for concrete.

So, the reason we break it up into quadrants for scaling is it allows us to thoroughly clean one area of the mouth at a time. Then we move on to the next. Sometimes anesthesia is required and that allows us to again do a good job and we cannot numb up an entire mouth.

If lets say you have not flossed your teeth regularly and that means at least several times a week then you will have massive build up between your teeth. On the xray if you ask you will likely see ledges of tartar between the teeth. Remember you are only able to see tartar on the xray between the teeth, but that same amount is covering the entire root surface. And if you have a tooth that has 7mm of bone loss that entire root is covered.

As far as the length of getting an appointment, are you requesting an evening? Most people that work 1st shift also ask for evenings, it is simply a high demand time. There are only so many hours available and to suggest that if this was so necessary why can't I get this done tomorrow, is not fair either.

Please also bear in mind this. Who's responsibility is it to take proper care of your teeth and gums? Sorry if I get a little cranky about this, but I have had so many patients like yourself who think that we are just in this for the money and that must be the only reason why we are telling you that this is necessary. What we hygienists do is NOT a cakewalk. After 10 years, I now have carpal tunnel in my wrists, arthritis in my neck as well as beginning of deteriorated disks as well. So, I would not subject myself to hours of unnecessary scaling to make a buck and I doubt other hygienists as well.

 
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Re: Deep Cleaning

Tank you for such a quick response to my problem and you have explained it quite nicely. My #'s werre between 8/s and 9/s so I guess I do need the deep cleaning, am I right?
Thanks again for yoir input on this problem

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Old 04-13-2004, 02:59 PM   #4
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Re: Deep Cleaning

OMG, you DO need the cleaning. You might check around for someone who does laser gum treatments. I had that done on 2 teeth 6 mos ago. Was just checked today, and everything is PEACHY and I had one 10 mm pocket!

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Re: Deep Cleaning

Jodi,
Jennifer explained it well. She is good at her job. Every office is different. I know my hygenist (depending on the depth) does all four quads in one appointment. Usually what she refers to has stm2 or 3. If it's a stm 4 (this is the name of the deep cleaning you are getting) she only does half of the month right and then week later the left. It just depends on which side she thinks need the attetion. As far as you waiting to get this done in 2 months because they can not get you in is a little concerning for me. Yea if you were set on a certain time then maybe they would have trouble getting you in. If you where willing to do any time or day then i would think they would get you in asap. In the office i work in the hygenist makes sure that she see the patient asap. She has time in her schedule for these types of appointments so that the patient doesn't have to wait. This is a very important matter, I am sorry they made it sound important and then schedules you so far out. Like Jennifer said is they where measuring around the teeth the health of the gums and the bone surrounding the teeth. If you let the infection go wiht out the cleaning the the infection keeps taking away the bone. If you have don't have bone then you can not keep your teeth. The bone is what hold your teeth in. Plus now gum disease has been assosated with heart disease and strokes (there have been some new studies about this and i just went to a semiar about this, not everyone gets this). You should ask your dentist or hygenist about this. Also arestin is something our hygenist uses in our office. She believes in it. It is an antibotic that is placed around tooth that has a reading of 5mm or more. It helps the infection. remember you cannot get rid of the gum disease you can only maintain it so is does't get worse. There is no way to get back the bone u have already lost. Good luck with this. I don't think it's away for them to make money cause this is something really important

 
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