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Old 05-31-2001, 07:47 PM   #1
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Question Blood Poisoning from Tooth Problem?

Hello Everyone . I am new to the boards. I just had a question reguarding my problem. About 2 months ago, I went to the dentist and they saw that my tooth had a huge hole in it. It was very sore and razor sharp pains would shoot through it if I tried to chew on it. Well the dentist filled the hole with a Medicated Temporary Filling. The filling is a white color.

Well, It is two months later and I haven't went back to the dentist yet to have the tooth worked on, or removed. I am going to the Dentist this Tuesday. But in the last month I have been experiencing very bad fatigue, headaches, muscle weakness, etc. I am just wondering if anyone has ever heard of having blood poisoning from having a temporary filling in too long, or from the diseased tooth. Thank you for any responses .

 
Old 05-31-2001, 07:50 PM   #2
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It's possible to have systemic problems from an infected tooth but I'd say its more likely that you have "Mono" or something. Maybe you should see your MD about that.
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Old 05-31-2001, 08:20 PM   #3
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Thanx Ship. But, I have been to my MD. He did check me for mono and the test results came back negative. Maybe it could be something else http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/confused.gif. But my tooth was the only thing bothering me up to this point and now for the last month I am feeling like this...and I have yet to get the tooth fixed...well until tuesday. I am just trying to find out all I can.

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Old 06-03-2001, 11:54 PM   #4
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A freind of mine ended up in the ICU for a diseased tooth. The doctors ran all sorts of tests and nothing came up but he was deathly ill. It ended up being because of a tooth. I would go back to your dentist right away.

 
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Christine,
I actually admitted a 6 year old girl to the ICU this weekend for an abcessed tooth. She had a massive cellulitis, with swollen right eye and cheek. The pediatric doc couldn't figure out what was going on but paged me in to take a look. Usually a dental infection will present as a localized abcess or facial cellulitis. I've never heard of a systemic infection without an abcess first and even then systemic problems typically occur in a patient that is already compromised due to some other illness. I suppose that a systemic bacterimia is possible in a healthy person too... Bye the way I extracted a tooth on the little girl Friday and today (Monday) she's already totally healed and back at school! Kids are amazing!

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Old 06-05-2001, 02:29 PM   #6
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DewDrop,

First I must say that I'm nothing but sympathetic for your situation, I can't imagine the pain that you and your husband are going through. I can see the pain and bitterness in your post, this is a terrible burden for any familly to bear. I only hope that medical science can find some way of improving your husband's life.

From an objective viewpoint I have trouble believing that there is a connection between MG and a dental abcess. I'm not an expert in autoimmune diseases by any means but my understanding is that MG is a result of the body producing antibodies against the ACH receptors at neuron synapses. Antibodies are produced by Plasma cells that lie dormant until exposed to a specefic antigen via Helper T cells. In normal situations the Plasma cell only responds to foreign antigen (protein structure) but in the case of autoimmune disorders it will respond the body's own tissues. I'm not sure how I see a connection between reacting to foreign materials (such as bacteria) resulting in a reaction to body tissues. Each Plasma cell is very precisely coded to respond to a specific protein sequence... I certainly haven't seen an scientific research on the topic. From personal experience I've seen patients present with long term chronic dental infections (of many years standing) and none have been diagnosed with autoimmune disorders. Well regardless I wish you the best of luck and courage in dealing with this situation...
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Thanks for all the responses! I went back to dentist today. Well they referred me to a root canal specialist. So it must be pretty serious. The pain is still there when I try to chew on that side of my mouth. I noticed alot of you mentioned about an abcess. Well I haven't noticed an abcess around my tooth, but the tooth is VERY sensitive and painful, so I don't know...maybe one is there and like dewdrops38's husband, I just haven't seen it yet. I guess I have to wait to see what the next dentist specialist says. But I will be aware of all the things you all told me to be cautious of.

I know one way to see if you have blood poisoning is to get a blood culture. So I will mention it to my family doctor when I see him very soon. But what do any of you think of my second possible cause of my feeling the way I feel?....

Do you think I could be having some sort of reaction from the filling? ***Sort of like mercury filling reactions*** But the filling isn't mercury, it is a white medicated temporary filling. Thanks for anymore suggestions!

 
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While you attempted to "define" MG. You can not tell me that ANY infection left in ANY body will not hurt them.

You said --
"From personal experience I've seen patients present with long term chronic dental infections (of many years standing) and none have been diagnosed with autoimmune disorders." This comment scares me. Years of infection will hurt anyone, even if the "hurt" only presents itself in a "flu-like" form. Have you followed them closely enough to know if they even have arthritis? (which is an autoimmune disease)

I've read 10 feet on MG. Have you? You're a dentist. Like previous posts about a dentist taking a crash course on orthodontics; You, may have heard, once in your life, the words Myasthenia Gravis. I did not slam you as a dentist. I posted to a "friend". Dont insult me by what you do not know about MG.

 
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While you attempted to "define" MG. You can not tell me that ANY infection left in ANY body will not hurt them.

-Actually I didn't say that. I just stated my doubts that chronic dental ifections cause Autoimmune Disorders. Your post seemed to imply that your dentist failed to identify a chronic dental infection that led directly to your husband's onset of MG.


You said --
"From personal experience I've seen patients present with long term chronic dental infections (of many years standing) and none have been diagnosed with autoimmune disorders." This comment scares me. Years of infection will hurt anyone, even if the "hurt" only presents itself in a "flu-like" form. Have you followed them closely enough to know if they even have arthritis? (which is an autoimmune disease)

- Most of our patients here are active duty service men and women who are followed very closely by medical. These personel must be physically and mentally ready to deploy at a moment's notice. Arthritis and other Autoimmune Disorders are reasons for involuntary separation from the service.


I've read 10 feet on MG.

-I've had several years of formal medical education including Immunology and Pathology, you've read a book... Does that make either of us Autoimmune Disorder experts?

Have you? You're a dentist. Like previous posts about a dentist taking a crash course on orthodontics; You, may have heard, once in your life, the words Myasthenia Gravis. I did not slam you as a dentist. I posted to a "friend". Dont insult me by what you do not know about MG.
-I'm not trying to "insult" you at all, why are you insulting me? I certainly hope to be your friend... This is an open forum to post opinions and knowledge about dental problems. I posted my OPINION (based on my training as a dentist) that chronic dental infections have not been linked to Autoimmune disease through scientific research. I posted my OPINION so that people who read your post won't run to their dentist worried they might develop an Autoimmune disease. I did so in what I thought was a straight forward and respectful manner. I'm certainly willing to look at any material you may have run accross that suggests a link between Auto disease and dental infections. I'm always willing to learn, that's why I'm here. I hope that we can disagree with out being disagreeable... Meanwhile I'll pray that the Lord helps you and your husband through this difficult trail. God bless...
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Old 06-06-2001, 09:14 AM   #10
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I've read more than one book. I've had allergy specialists, our family physician, patients and endocrinologists commend me on my YEARS of study of Myasthenia. MG is not the issue here. I know what I know and take care of a Myasthenic daily. Thats enough for me. As for "suggesting" an infection can be a TRIGGER for an autoimmune disorder. Its highly probable.

I dont care to have this go on and on. I also know the state of "military readiness" as we were in the service for many years and the physical fitness program ie.overweight people was implemented during our time. There are a lot of ill military folks, just as in the civilian world.

At any rate, I'm through with this discussion. You state your opinion and I'll state mine. I thank you for your kind words on our personal health issues.

We have chose to run a public awareness program for MG so that what happened to my husband will never happen to anyone else. NOT the fact that he is ill... the FACT that it was missed, triggered and misdiagnosed by 20 specialists and hospitals.

It has been suggested that autoimmune disorders are triggered by trauma, stress, infection or drug induced. When I find that, I'll be happy to mail it to you as I dont want to take up any more space on this board with this disagreement.

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Thymus
The thymus gland plays some role in the pathogenesis of MG, although it is not yet clear exactly what this role is. Evidence for the thymus playing a role includes the fact that the thymus contains myoid cells which can express AChR. B and T lymphocytes taken from MG thymus are reactive to AChR. 65% of patients with MG are found to have thymic dysplasia and 15% of cases are associated with thymoma. Finally, there is definite clinical improvement if the thymus gland is removed.

There are several other interesting pathological features of MG. MG is associated with certain HLA types, specifically B8, DRW3, DQW2, A1, A3, B7, DRW2. There is also an association with other autoimmune diseases. These two facts suggest a heritable defect in immune regulation. Some speculate that there might also be a viral trigger, although this has not been proven. **This means that a VIRAL INFECTION MAY cause an autoimmune response against AChR through molecular mimicry, or a chance similarity between proteins on the virus and the ACh receptor.** Homology found between herpes simplex virus and antibody from 6/40 MG patients is some evidence for a POSSIBLE VIRAL ASSOCIATION.
Bacteria and viral illness's are probable.

Description
Myasthenia gravis (MG) is an autoimmune disease that is characterized by impairment of motor nerve impulses causing episodic muscle weakness and fatigue, especially in the face, tongue, neck, and respiratory muscles. MG occurs at all ages, usually between the ages of 20 and 40, sometimes in association with a thymic tumor or thyrotoxicosis, as well as in rheumatoid arthritis and lupus erythematosus. It is commonest in young women with HLA-DR3; if thymoma is associated, older men are more commonly affected. **Onset is usually insidious, but the disorder is sometimes unmasked by a coincidental infection that leads to exacerbation of symptoms.** Exacerbations may also occur before the menstrual period and during or shortly after pregnancy.

What more can I say? "Unmasked" in a young man who "may" not have been affected until his 60th or 70th decade of life. The obvious is the obvious. We KNEW something was wrong with the tooth. AFTER the fact, AFTER the antibiotics for years and then months, the "flulike" symptoms never went away, and probably never will. The "flulike" is now MG.

I can find a few hundred more documents suggesting infection and "onset". I dont know why I bother. It is nature for you to protect dentistry. It is nature for me to protect Myasthenics.


 
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Thanks for the information, its very interesting.
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