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Old 07-13-2006, 10:22 AM   #1
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Help! My mom is in agony!

Well, lets see, how can I make a long story short,
A while ago, my mother had to get all of her teeth extracted, after that, she tried dentures, but they didn't work for her, so she decided that implants would be the next best thing.
Not knowing all that it involved, she rushed ahead to a specialist and he did the implants and she had to see another specialist to put the crowns in over the implants.
Ever since, she has been in misery, complaining of a constant clogged feeling. She had went back to her specialist several times to fix the problem and each and everytime, he had made it worse, so she refused to see him again.
She had lost 60 pounds since last December, when not even trying to, due to her not being able to eat or drink anything without having the feeling of popcorn stuck in between her abutments and crowns.
Now, she is at the point where she is looking for someone to remove the crowns, in hopes to get "implant retained dentures".
She had a consultation with a place called "Gentle dental" Although, the man told her she had extensive mouth work that he could not work on.
She is clueless as of what to do now. She is completely depressed and crying all the time over this. If anyone has any advice, it would be greatly be appreciated! Thanks so much!

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Old 07-13-2006, 10:28 PM   #2
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Re: Help! My mom is in agony!

Although I am not an expert I have had extensive dental work over the years and it sounds like your mom has dental overload and probably severe tmj from ill fitting crowns. She is right that they need probably to be removed and replaced with something else. You need to search for an extremely experienced prosthedontist with training in tmj or a tmj specialist in your area. It sounds like the the crowns are creating too much pressure or are too closely placed together - a very common occurence from my experience. Its better that the one dr you consulted with backed away becuase this is probably beyond his training - I have met several who would have taken it on just to make $s and then blame the patient when their problem does not get better. You may have to go for several consults with different drs before you find the right one. For now - she should go to a very soft diet - over cooked vegetables, yogurt, Ensure, etc. and should start taking vitamin supplements Also I have seen a place posted here called Affordable Dentures that many members claim to be very good - you may want to try them as well. Good Luck.

 
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Old 07-14-2006, 08:34 AM   #3
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Re: Help! My mom is in agony!

Thanks so much for the reply. You've been really helpful. That is probably exactly what it is that "he crowns are creating too much pressure or are too closely placed together"
I will definately tell her about "affordable dentures"
One question, what is TMJ?

 
Old 07-14-2006, 09:24 AM   #4
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Re: Help! My mom is in agony!

If her teeth fit properly she would not be feeling this. It is not the implants but the teeth themselves not being correct. She needs to find a Prosthodontist who can assess the issue with her fit.
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If her teeth fit properly she would not be feeling this. It is not the implants but the teeth themselves not being correct. She needs to find a Prosthodontist who can assess the issue with her fit.
That's exactly what it is. I will tell her this. Thanks so much!

 
Old 07-15-2006, 07:10 AM   #6
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Re: Help! My mom is in agony!

What kind of teeth does she have? Individual crowns or the kind I have. I have 8 implants on top and 6 on the bottom. I have a whole piece unit that looks kinda like a denture but no roof on the top. This screws onto the implants. Mine is very beautiful and fits perfectly. My Prosthodontist is 12 hours away from me as I live in West Central Ohio and he is in Fort Washington, PA. I stayed in motels for my procedures. When I had my surgery I stayed for a week and when I got my permanent teeth I again stayed for a week.

On Monday I went in for impressions and such and left and came back 2 days later for my fit. Most often you do this if local in stages but since I lived so far away they hurried for me. On the finished day, this was such a fun day. They put them in and check for the bite. Took them out adjusted them. Put them back in and again took them out. Took all day long. I was there from 8 in the morning and left the office at 3. When I left I had the most beautiful teeth, white, perfect and amazing! They constantly said how does that feel?

You mother paid "big bucks" for her teeth. She has every right to have them be correct! She must complain and insist that they do this right.

I will say however, that after eating somethings I get stuff stuck under them. She needs a water pik, floss, proxie brushes and a soft bristle tooth brush. I also have an Oral B electric tooth brush. If I do not brush them well I have a "clogged" feeling and can't stand not to brush. I even keep a tooth brush in my purse at all times.

My cleaning technique is one that was on a video my Prosthodontist gave me. I first use a water pik, then take a soft childs tooth brush (the head is small and narrow) just wet it and turn it to the side and slide the first row under my teeth. I can feel particles being pushed out on the other side. I do this under all the surfaces then repeat it on the inside. I find I spend more time if I do this sitting on the couch. Once I have cleaned my teeth I return to the bathroom and use Super Floss it has a stiff end that slides under the appliance, then I brush with my electric tooth brush with tooth paste. I do this entire procedure once before bed. The rest of the day I just use the water pik and brush normally unless I feel "clogged" to which the tooth brush technique is used again.

Hope this helps her.

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Old 07-16-2006, 12:55 AM   #7
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Re: Help! My mom is in agony!

She has temporary titanium crowns that were placed over her abutments, in which her doctor told her that she would need to replace them in a year for the permanent crowns which would be $18,000!!
My mom doesn't have that kind of money, so that is also why she is looking to get "denture retained implants" I think these are like dentures, without the roof, that attach onto the implant. Is this what you have? Can you remove yours anytime you like for a break?
Wow, you must of went through an exhausting period. That is so great that you were satisfied with the outcome. In that case, I guess it is all worth it.
Thanks so much for letting me know the cleaning technique you do. I read this to my mom, and she rushed out to the store to get the floss and all
Do you ever get a clogged feeling when you don't eat? With my mom, no matter what she does, even when she doesn't eat, in between her abutments and crowns still feel clogged.
Thanks so much for all of the advice!

 
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I cannot remove mine. My teeth aren't ever removed for cleanings. They could be if I had a problem but only by my Prosthodontist.

Titanium is metal? I have titanium implants with a implant retained prosthesis (a fancy name for the teeth I have) I have for my lowers titanium covered in acrylic and for my uppers gold covered by porcelain. Should I ever need to replace my teeth for any reason I would have to pay around $30,000. So at $18,000 that is a lot less. There is a credit card called Care Credit I think. It permits you to get your dental work done and make payments. It would be an investment in her life.

My teeth are only like a denture in the sense all the teeth are in one unit. That is the only comparison. They are not made from the same material. They are stronger and more natural looking.
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Re: Help! My mom is in agony!

Just curious - why did you have to travel to PA - doesn't Ohio have any prosthedontists that were closer to you? Or is he a specialist of some kind? or recommended by someone you knew?

 
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Just curious - why did you have to travel to PA - doesn't Ohio have any prosthedontists that were closer to you? Or is he a specialist of some kind? or recommended by someone you knew?
To answer your question, even now after getting my new smile I have found not one doctor who has ever seen the kind I have. I cannot even find a local Doctor to clean them. However,I have shared this before on another post but here is my story if your interested in reading it, warning it is long:


My name is Anita and I want to share my impossible dream. When I was born I was born with a condition involving my teeth. My parents did not want me to face what my father had faced with having to have all his teeth pulled and get dentures. I appreciate so much all they did for me. The year was 1974 and they found two doctor's an oral surgeon and local orthodontist who decided to try and help me. They knew they had no knowledge on how to proceed on someone with my condition but wanted me to have a chance to have my own teeth. Without my parents love for me seeking out these doctor's I would still had my baby teeth as with this condition without dental intervention a person's baby teeth never fall out. My first surgery was over 6 hours to which they removed all my baby teeth plus 30 or more extra teeth and much bone and gums.

I was so excited about my surgery. I had such hopes that I would finally have a pretty smile. However, I was surprised to see when awakening that my gums were gone. I had braces on my teeth for 7 years and when removed my teeth were less than pretty. But they were functional. My teeth did not show when I spoke or smiled and some were loose from the beginning. I appreciate the oral surgeon and orthodontist efforts to try and help me, because this was not something they had ever seen let alone treat. Even my regular Dentist told me that I had to be satisfied that I would never have a"Colgate Smile" I didn't want to seem ungrateful for all the expense and love my parents put into helping me so I just quietly accepted the outcome. Because of my outgoing personality know one knew of my private pain and lack of confidence in how I looked. This was hard for me as I had such hopes during the years of my braces that I would finally someday have "real smile" I would pray in bed at night, “God please make me wake up with pretty teeth”

Over the years my teeth had really deteriorated. What gums I had receded possibly from age as well as anything. They were a mess because I could not get any dentists to help me. I tried on my own to keep them as clean as possible. I would brush them all the time and I think maybe I was brushing to hard as my gums that surrounded my teeth, seem to be receding even more. The times I did see a dentist I would be told such frightening things. For example: One Dentist told me my teeth are what actually gave my face its shape. That should I ever lose them my face would collapse. I was told also that I wouldn't even be able to wear dentures since I had nearly no gums to start with . Another Dentist told me that I had no bones in my face where your front teeth are and little to no gums so I could never wear a partial or have a bridge or dentures. Another time a Periodontist told me my bones had small tiny holes throughout and would never hold an implant. Believe me this was a nightmare for me. I was left with a feeling of total helplessness. Many nights I would lay awake fearing what I would look like in a few years. Unfortunately I was becoming very ill because of the condition of my teeth. I was afraid to have anything done and was constantly in pain and suffering.

For years began to rely on Motrin for inflammation. Two teeth just fell out and two were so infected and loose that eating was so hard to do. January 2005, we had an ice storm and all the power was out all over town. I lit many candles and the flickers against the walls sent me into a horrific migraine aggravated by the infection in my mouth. Every time I moved my head I would literally get sick. Finally my sweet husband came to me with worry in his voice said, "Enough is enough you must do something and do it now, I do not want to lose you" I said, "What???? What can be done for me? There is no help for me." He told me to get on the computer and look for something and that we needed to pray and believe. Because of his insistence he pushed me to finally get something done. I will be forever grateful to him.

I picked up my bible and read Mark 11:22-24
It said to believe and DO NOT doubt so that is what I did and my husband believed with me. So I sat in front of my computer and prayed for God to make a way where there is no way, I began my search.....

First, I was told I needed a Prosthodontist? I found on the internet a PDF file that was written about a woman with the same birth defect. I was so jealous as I read this story, I thought wow if I could only see this team of Doctors. I saw at the top an e-mail address and decided to just write to this Doctor. I thought as I was writing this how silly it was because I had no idea where this Doctor was and how she could help me, yet in desperation I wrote her anyway. I told her my story and she said, "Don’t do anything until I get back with you" Which I thought rather odd but when you are believing God like I was you are willing to trust and wait. Never in even my hopes or dreams did I know that there was someone like the man that was soon to become my doctor. His name is Dr. Balshi. This Doctor wanted to see me and we went on April 11, 2005 for my first visit.

I live in Ohio and the drive took us 12 hours. I saw Dr.Balshi and a team of visiting Doctors, that were attending his continuing education classes that day. Dr. Balshi's credentials are off the charts; he is world famous and the best in his field. I was sitting in the chair after they had run a number of medical tests, waiting to find out if he would be able to do something for me, I could look out the window onto the fountain. I couldn't help that the tears were so close to the surface. I kept quoting the scripture in Mark 11:22-24 over and over.

Still I couldn't help but be anxious. I didn't want them to tell me that I wouldn't be a candidate. Suddenly Dr. Balshi came in and told me that they were going to help me, and that for the first time in my life I might smile with my teeth showing. I began to cry and cry. Apparently all the horror stories I had been told by all the other dental professionals was not true, the new ICAT scan showed what x-rays never could, that my bones were fine and there was hope for me. Just about that time all the team of Doctor's came in and saw my wet face. I told one of the visiting Doctor's that they were happy tears. The Doctor who answered my letter took time out of her busy schedule to be there to meet me that day too. When I looked into her eyes I cried even harder as I didn't know how I could thank her enough for pointing me to Dr. Balshi.

I told Dr. Balshi what my Dentist had said to me as a teenager about never having a Colgate smile so I should just accept it. He threw back his head and laughed and said, “Well we will just see about that!”

I was told that for a perfect facial symmetry I would need jaw surgery but that he could achieve the same affect with the prosthetics. My face appeared to be collapsed due to the shape of my teeth and lack of gums. My chin nearly met my nose. I asked the Doctor if it would be like the Extreme Makeover's on TV. His answer was nope this would be a Supreme Makeover that it will be better as it is based on science. He said that I would look beautiful and that I will have finally have my dream smile. I was told it would be implants and a permanent smile called "Teeth in a Day".

On May 9, 2005 I had surgery for 6 hours, Dr. Balshi and a team of nurses, doctor’s and dental fabricators were with me that day. All my teeth were extracted and 8 implants on top and 6 implants on the lower were placed. I was given temporary immediate “Teeth in a Day” beautiful teeth which were attached to the implants with gold screws. Which the flyer said, Have you ever dreamed you could go to sleep and wake with a beautiful smile. Which is what I use to pray for.

On October 20, 2005 I went to my Doctor's and my supreme makeover is finished. They were so good to me and worked very hard to make sure my smile was beautiful. In 46 years I finally can smile a real smile!!!! Because of the Doctor I wrote, taking the time out of her busy day and caring enough to answer an e-mail of a woman she did not know and pointing me to Dr. Balshi, I now have my impossible dream. In my heart they are human angels that God sent to me when I needed them the most.
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I'm so glad it worked out for you - no doubt your strong faith helped a lot and you found the right dr for your particluar problem. A friend of my sister had a similar problem - she still has most of her baby teeth but dentures are cemented over them. Every few years she has to have it replaced as she loses more of the baby teeth.

The real reason I asked is that I have severe tmj and am always on the look out for the miracle doctor - like Dr. House on tv. I haven't been able to work in more than 2 yrs due to constant head, face and neck pain and some of the tmj drs I have been treated by have only made my problem worse. So I look for drs that other patients highly recommend.

Again - I'm happy you are enjoying your new smile - show it often. God does work in mysterious ways.

 
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I'm so glad it worked out for you - no doubt your strong faith helped a lot and you found the right dr for your particluar problem. A friend of my sister had a similar problem - she still has most of her baby teeth but dentures are cemented over them. Every few years she has to have it replaced as she loses more of the baby teeth.

The real reason I asked is that I have severe tmj and am always on the look out for the miracle doctor - like Dr. House on tv. I haven't been able to work in more than 2 yrs due to constant head, face and neck pain and some of the tmj drs I have been treated by have only made my problem worse. So I look for drs that other patients highly recommend.

Again - I'm happy you are enjoying your new smile - show it often. God does work in mysterious ways.
I wonder if your friend has the same condition I was born with. Does she have cleidocranial dysplasia or sometimes it is called cleidocranial dysotosis. You do not lose your baby teeth with this condition. Plus I was also born without collar bones.
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I cannot remove mine. My teeth aren't ever removed for cleanings. They could be if I had a problem but only by my Prosthodontist.
I'm sorry. I was confused. Titanium is what the implants are made of? My mom has temporary teeth (crowns) But I'm not quite sure what they are made of and why do they have to be temporary?? She was told she would need to replace the temporaries for permanent crowns in no more than a year and that that would be another $18,000.

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To answer your question, even now after getting my new smile I have found not one doctor who has ever seen the kind I have. I cannot even find a local Doctor to clean them..
Wow, that is truly a miracle!! It goes to prove what some faith can do!
That is an excellent and very touching story. You should submit this to a magazine article.
Congrats on your long awaited dream!

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I'm sorry. I was confused. Titanium is what the implants are made of? My mom has temporary teeth (crowns) But I'm not quite sure what they are made of and why do they have to be temporary?? She was told she would need to replace the temporaries for permanent crowns in no more than a year and that that would be another $18,000.
I had temporary teeth. Temporaries are made of the cheepest materials and that might be some of her problems with the fit. They do not put the care and effort in temporaries. Why? Because they are temporary. The color and the look will not have great care too. My temporaries were crooked and the surface did not cut through food. I was told it was because they were meant only to be used for the shortest amount of time. They are not meant to last. Why they gave me temporary teeth is the teeth need to be lighter in weight at the beginning of the implant journey. Permanent ones are heavy as they have a metal base for strength and durablility.

My permanent teeth however are totally a different story. They are strong, beautiful and I can chew and eat exactally like natural teeth. The pain I am beginning to believe by your posts that your mother is feeling is completely because she has never had her permanent teeth made. She has gone this far she will need to finish the journey.

With my temporaries I showed up for my surgery and they were there. I lived with these for 5 months and was told not to chew on them even after my implants had bonded because they would break. I didn't listen and bit down on a breakfast bar during the week I was in Pennsylvania getting my permanents made. They had told me all my implants were fine and bonded well. So I though whoo hoo I can eat. NOPE! I broke a front tooth clean off! They glued it back on as I had to go for at least 2 more days before my permanents were finished.

Seriously, you mother doesn't need to find a new Doctor but she must find financing to help her get her permanent teeth. She will be a new woman if she does. Night and Day! I know from experience!
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