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Old 05-20-2011, 06:10 PM   #1
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A lot of pain for years

Hi my first post on here. Im a 25 year old lad and have a fairly severe problem with my father.

A few year back he went for a filling at the dentist as you do and later that night he woke up in what he describes to me as frightingly bad pain, shooting stabbing pains which was all inside his mouth.

Now in a few years hes been through alot and its only now that am old enough that I feel I need to help my father who is now nearly 60. He has seen many dentists and in which mostly reply your teeth are healthy which they are to be fair and nothing shows on the x-rays.

He has taken antibiotics, taken countless pain tablets experimental also, Electro therapy, Acupunture, EVERYTHING. He has had the tooth removed which was thought to be a problem but sadly to no avail it just spread to another tooth. The pain he describes in kinda like when I have had a absess.

When I speak to him his face sometimes says it all hes just not the father I knew before, theres been days where he wishes he had a gun and all I wanna do is just help but don't know where to turn, I just seen this forum and hoping for anything, advice etc.

I have more info I just need to speak to him first thanks.

 
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Re: A lot of pain for years

Okay, has he been checked for sinus problems? TMJ dysfunction? A nerve problem in his jaw? Any of these can cause pain similar to an abscessed tooth!

 
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Old 05-21-2011, 04:07 AM   #3
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Okay, has he been checked for sinus problems? TMJ dysfunction? A nerve problem in his jaw? Any of these can cause pain similar to an abscessed tooth!
thanks for the reply jane, I would have to ask him. Its surley has to be linked to the day he had his filling it couldent be that big of a coinsidence?. Get back to you.

 
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Re: A lot of pain for years

Hi,
Also, has he tried using toothpaste for sensitive teeth? It may seem like a simplistic solution, but as we age or even when we have had dental treatments, the dentin in the teeth can become exposed. When this happens painful stimuli can reach the nerve.
The teeth look fine, xrays are fine, but the pain experienced can be incredible!

What the toothpaste does is plug up the tubules that lead through the dentin to the nerve and the painful sensation is stopped.
It does take a few weeks for this to happen though.
Also, he should faithfully floss every day in order to get any material from between his teeth.

Please do give this a try. Your Dad can even rub the paste right on his gums where they meet his teeth. He should try not to swallow it though. It has helped MANY people with unexplained dental pain.

GOOD luck and what a nice thing you are trying to do for your Dad!
My very best to you and let us know how he's doing.

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Hi,
Also, has he tried using toothpaste for sensitive teeth? It may seem like a simplistic solution, but as we age or even when we have had dental treatments, the dentin in the teeth can become exposed. When this happens painful stimuli can reach the nerve.
The teeth look fine, xrays are fine, but the pain experienced can be incredible!

What the toothpaste does is plug up the tubules that lead through the dentin to the nerve and the painful sensation is stopped.
It does take a few weeks for this to happen though.
Also, he should faithfully floss every day in order to get any material from between his teeth.

Please do give this a try. Your Dad can even rub the paste right on his gums where they meet his teeth. He should try not to swallow it though. It has helped MANY people with unexplained dental pain.

GOOD luck and what a nice thing you are trying to do for your Dad!
My very best to you and let us know how he's doing.

Gellia
Thanks Gelia, He has used sensitive tooth paste for a while but it makes no difference unfortunately and think he regulary flosses thanks for the reply.

Ok so the dentists have not detected any sinus problem and he dosent really have ANY other symtoms other that fatigue from lack of sleep and TMJ he is not familiar with. But the main issue here is the fact he has no other symtoms which is really strange, I have gotten him so more home remedies but fear they will just be as usless as the rest.

Have spoken to him and hes pretty sure that is may have something to do with nerves on his teeth rather than his jaw, I cant express how severe this really is as a few dentists have not cured this phenomenon. I feel I need to look into what diseases may cause the nerves in you mouth to react in such a volitile way and how it can be fixed, Im really baffled to why this has gone on so long, I just want him to stop suffering, The pain itself is not constant it does dull from day to day like he has good and bad days.

thanks.

 
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Re: A lot of pain for years

Hmm,....has he been to a neurologist? It may be trigeminal neuralgia. There are a few meds that may help with that if that is the problem. It can be very painful.

I do hope he can find some relief from his pain.

Good luck and again, my very best to you and your Dad.
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Re: A lot of pain for years

I agree. A neurologist would be a good place to look next.

 
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Ok so hes told me he has already been to a nuerologist and he again they would not listen to him although his doctor did mention it. The pain are actually inside his mouth not on his face, the pain can go from the nerve to the tip of his tooth and he describes the pain worse in some area's and some days in just all over.

Had a long conversation with him today and considered it may be a thing like a bad habbit he used to have of putting a remote in his mouth while watching tv but come on what information is there on side affects of that lol.

I reaslise also that this has now been going on for 11 years and they will NOT take them out, his teeth are healthy and so is he what on earth is he supposed to do? be in pain everyday of his life? I would love to just have the money to go private then ask them to take them out and give him false ones but id imagine it would cost 1000's of pounds, is there a higher up person I could speak to this is a serious problem tooth pain is really bad so I cant imagine what my father is going through hes tried almost everything. I also suggested that he speaks to the doctor about a mri scan but I doubt this is the case. I mean the fact that he went for a filling the woke up in agony the same night must mean this would be dental.

Thanks for your replies I appriciate it.

 
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Re: A lot of pain for years

Hi again,
I'll bet he clenches his teeth together at night when he's asleep, if he's chomping down on the remote watching TV. If he clenches and grinds his teeth, the teeth are healthy, but it stresses the periodontal ligament that helps hold the teeth in place, and that can really hurt.

Have him try a mouth guard, esp. at night. See if he can become aware of whether he clenches down when he is awake. It's a hard habit to break, but if he can, he may just see relief. That he has it at different times and places in his mouth makes me think that may be it. TMJ may also be a factor. Does his jaw click?

Hope this helps.
Best to you,
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Thanks again but he has tried a mouth guard. I asked him if he did bite down when asleep he said he believes he does and may have damaged his teeth or jaw, he dosen't get clicking though but I might need to ask him about this. I will ask how long he used it for etc when he got it last time. Im leaning more to some kind of traum in the mouth as apose to some condition.

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Re: A lot of pain for years

Hi again,
It's very possible that the night clenching has knocked his jaw out of whack. That could be a TMJ problem and yes, it's very hard to correct.

Tell him to not give up hope. There are special mouth guards that can help with a TMJ realignment but I think it's a pretty long process.

He might need to go to someone that specializes in TMJ and can give him the right kind of guard to help.

I hope he finds some relief.
My very best to you,
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Re: A lot of pain for years

When someone has tooth pain that can't be linked to a cavity or abscess, removing the tooth rarely resolves the pain. I second the recommendation for a TMJ specialist.

In the meanwhile, it's possible that muscles spasms in his cheeks are part of his pain. There are a few self-massage techniques that might provide at least momentary relief. Basically, you feel around until you find a hard sore spot, then work at it. Might help, probably won't hurt.

 
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I have trigeminal neuralgia and I think it's very possible that he is suffering from that, even though he has seen a neurologist. My doctor has told me that some people go from doctor to doctor and never get the diagnosis for trigeminal neuralgia because it is difficult to diagnose. I'm pretty sure there is no test (like MRI or CAT scan) that can diagnose it. It's mostly diagnosed from the symptoms and since it's kind of rare, some doctor's do not recognize it as being the problem. After all, doctors can miss things and misdiagnose and make errors just like the rest of us. So much of doctoring is just guessing and trial and error anyway. I guarantee you that getting a filling could have triggered his first attack. Even a slight brush against your cheek can trigger an attack for some people. In my opinion, it wouldn't hurt to ask his doctor to prescribe Neurotin (and gradually increase the dosage) for awhile to see if he sees a difference in pain levels. It takes awhile to build up (a few days) and sometimes they have to keep increasing until you get to a level where it works for you, but if he's in the pain you describe, it sure wouldn't hurt to try that. Research Trigeminal Neuralgia thoroughly and you'll see there are 3 branches of the trigeminal nerve and many people feel it through their teeth, and it can be excruciating! All that being said.......as others have suggested, I also would not rule out TMJ, but just like another poster originally suggested, it sure sounds like it is Trigeminal Neuralgia. I'd go to as many doctors as it took. Good luck and let us know if he finds the root cause.

 
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Re: A lot of pain for years

Hi,
I believe Chris posted that his Dad has already been to a neurologist.

We've been trying to think of other things it might be. I do agree that the problem sounds like TN.
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I remember reading that he had been to a neurologist, but I saw a neurologist also, who did not diagnose me with the TN, he sent me to a TMJ specialist. However, two doctors later, I did find one who believed that I had TN and once they started treating me with the medicine, I showed marked improvement and now, for the most part, I stay pain free (as long as I take the medicine 3 x's a day). Every great now and then some pain creeps in, but mostly it's under control. I would never knock anyone's doctors, so I'm not saying whoever he saw isn't a good doctor, but I am thinking it would not hurt to get a 2nd or 3rd opinion. I just know how painful it is, and would not wish it on my worse enemy. Again, good luck to him....

 
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