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Old 06-05-2004, 02:38 PM   #1
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Talking depression and thyroid disease

i have thyroid disease, and thus depression, but can't seem to get out of it (the depression, i mean) ... i know that if one has TD and is untreated, ADs don't work, and they've been working fairly well up until now, but last week i got soooo depressed i just felt that life was nowhere near worthwhile, and i'm still like that ...

my dh has ADD and is often unpleasant to me, i don't work (long-ago stroke, but mostly hypo -- i can't stay awake that long, and too BF'd), a couple of friends have drifted away from me, and i'm lonely ...

oh DAMN this self-pity -- but what to do? i thought when summer came 'round it would be better but it's not -- it's worse ... and now we have a drenched basement to boot, which will have to be all packed up, then recarpeted and dry-walled and painted (the walls are lined with my husband's book collection) ...

i feel invisible, empty but full of pain ... been going for couples counselling and my own counselling, and he his ... he was laid off last year and hasn't worked since, won't call his mother and ask for $$ help (she's rich, i think -- at least, she has both one, two and three carat diamonds and some black pearls) ...

i think it's at least b/c i'm at a significant turning point (nearly 60), and feel that we should be living, not this agony ... all my friends have bought new houses and i'm full of ugly envy ...


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Old 06-05-2004, 04:41 PM   #2
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Re: depression and thyroid disease

I have TD and depression and may be starting perimenopause. My youngest child is about grown and I'm feeling less needed. So I understand some of how you feel. Utter despair sometimes. I cry a lot. I'm not helping you much other than letting you know you are not alone. These last three months have been horrible. Pray for me and I will pray for you.

 
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Old 06-05-2004, 05:19 PM   #3
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Question Re: depression and thyroid disease

Just throwing this in here: My dr is having me tested for thyroid disease ... what is it?

 
Old 06-05-2004, 07:15 PM   #4
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Your thyroid is in your throat and effects every cell of your body. If it's over active you will drop weight, heart will race, and your eyes can start to bug out some. Underactive will make you tired and gain weight. You hair, nails and skin will be effected also. Do a search on hyperthyroidism and hypothyroidism.

 
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Just throwing this in here: My dr is having me tested for thyroid disease ... what is it?
yeah, there's a "Sticky: information archive" that has a lot of information in it, and if you scroll down some, you'll find a huge list of symptoms -- more complete than the usual ones -- what are your symptoms?

the thyroid controls all the organs in your body, making them overactive or underactive -- if you're hypo for example, you may feel exhausted, constipated, depressed, sleepy, stunned, achey, perhaps nauseated ... if you're hyper, you may feel anxious, have insomnia, and your eyes may "bug out", you may have diarrhoea and heart palpitations ... and sometimes these symptoms may overlap ...

be sure to have, in addition to a TSH, a free T4, free T3, and an antibodies test ... the reason you must have the "frees" is that the test shows the levels of thyroid hormone (T4, T3) that are available for use, "unbound" if you will (for example, just a plain T4 test is not of much use b/c it shows the total amount of the hormone in your bloodstream and some of is bound to the cells -- thus you really can't tell how much hormone can be used by the thyroid) ...

if your doctor tells you your levels are normal and you still feel lousy -- welcome to the board!!

post your test results when you get them -- then someone can analyze them ...

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Old 06-07-2004, 07:39 AM   #6
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Re: depression and thyroid disease

I am 52 years old male was diagnosed with Clinical Depression over 6 years ago. Symptoms are very sad, worthlessness, down, the classic symptoms of depression. Also mild Bipolar 2 which was more mild OCD. I would love to collect things and would get obsessive about it. I have a had a drastic weight gain of 100 + pounds in the 6 year period with no desire to work out or lose weight. Depression has effected my life personally and professionally.

The reason I am replying to this post is because a couple of years ago I was having problems with my eye sight changing to much within a year period. Also was noticed a wrinkle in my eye. So I was sent to a specialists to have my eyes check. During the examination the doctor said I showed symptoms of having thyroid problems because my eyes would only look upwards so far. He recommeded me having a thyroid test. He felt very strongly this was the problem of my depression and weight gain.

I had the test but it came out negative. I was very disappointed because the doctor said this could be treated easily with medicine.

A side note is that I have been on tons of depression medicine the reason being medicines dont seem to stay with me very long. I feel good for a while then they lose their effect. Right now I am on Lexapro 10 mg but still am having problems.

Any suggestions?

 
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I am 52 years old male was diagnosed with Clinical Depression over 6 years ago. Symptoms are very sad, worthlessness, down, the classic symptoms of depression. Also mild Bipolar 2 which was more mild OCD. I would love to collect things and would get obsessive about it. I have a had a drastic weight gain of 100 + pounds in the 6 year period with no desire to work out or lose weight. Depression has effected my life personally and professionally.

The reason I am replying to this post is because a couple of years ago I was having problems with my eye sight changing to much within a year period. Also was noticed a wrinkle in my eye. So I was sent to a specialists to have my eyes check. During the examination the doctor said I showed symptoms of having thyroid problems because my eyes would only look upwards so far. He recommeded me having a thyroid test. He felt very strongly this was the problem of my depression and weight gain.

I had the test but it came out negative. I was very disappointed because the doctor said this could be treated easily with medicine.

A side note is that I have been on tons of depression medicine the reason being medicines dont seem to stay with me very long. I feel good for a while then they lose their effect. Right now I am on Lexapro 10 mg but still am having problems.

Any suggestions?
well, if your thyroid doesn't work, ADs don't work (i have this on good authority from two doctors -- one a psychopharmacologist, a specialist who deals with the effects of drugs and their interactions -- and many members of the thyroid board) ...

a pill does the job that your thyroid won't -- that is, get your organs (incl. the brain) back to some semblance of normal again ... and if you've gained significant weight (slow metabolism), are depressed (no serotonin), are not inclined to do much, and maybe constipated? achey? sleep a lot?

i've come to learn that too many doctors treat the lab sheet instead of the patient, and i'm guessing that the only test you had done was a TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone), which is only a marker for TD and a pretty lousy one at that ...

you need a copy of that test and the lab ranges (the one that was supposedly negative, or "normal" as these fools usually call it, and if your doctor was treating the lab sheet, to him it was -- after all, it was within range) ... you also need to know that the range for a TSH has altered significantly in the past year ... the upper limit is now 2 (published in the AACE), instead of the old 5 (the old range used to be .5 to 5) ... i was dx'd at a TSH of 3.9 when the old range was being used, but that's b/c every one of my doctors (two endos and my GP) finally recognized my symptoms -- constipation, exhaustion, brain fog, severe depression, bloating -- and treated me symptomatically, not clinically ... they did not treat the lab sheet ... altho' i fired one endo and hired another one (he's not so good either, but not as awful as the first), a little synthroid and then a lot of synthroid (i think another drug is interfering with the synthroid) made me feel about 80% better ... now all i'm left with is this lingering weepy depression (well, there's always something ) ...

so i suggest you get some more tests done that are more meaningful: another TSH, and a free T4 and a free T3, and an antibodies test ... if your old doctor won't do them, i suggest you fire him and get a new one ... you sound like a classic case of hypO, but i'm no doctor and you may not have told us all your symptoms, just b/c you don't associate them with thyroid disease ...

in the "Sticky: Information Archive" at the top of the thyroid board, you will find many useful things, incl. a full list of symptoms, both hypO and hypER: note that some of them overlap ...

my american friends tell me that there's a kit you can get for these tests (if indeed you are american -- i'm canadian,eh?) online, from something like Healthwatch USA? (not sure of the right name) ...

so here's the jist: read some items in the thyroid board Sticky thread, have more detailed tests, get a new doctor (or if your old one is approachable, print out the new TSH range and show it to him -- i'd try this tack first), and get back to us, using the thyroid board, later, or if you have any questions ... (be sure to have FREET4/T3 tests -- they show the amount of hormone circulating in the blood that's available for your thyroid to use, ie., not bound (stuck) to the blood cells themselves) ...

and once you've done all this (sounds pretty tiring, doesn't it! ), post your results (on the thyroid board) and someone will help you ... or as i said, just if you have any questions -- i was pretty confused at first ...

best of luck,
jb

~ i have depressive disorder, and know that there is not much that can be worse than depression -- an eternity in extreme agony, i suppose, but not much else ... i took paxil successfully for years (after having a minor episode a number of years before, successfully treated with amitryptilline) ... before i was dx'd hypO, we thought the paxil had pooped out and i was treated with remeron, serzone, luvox, paxil* again (couldn't stand the side effects this time) and now i'm on manerix, which i think doesn't work any more, or not so well -- that's why i think my anti-seizure meds are interfering with the thyroid meds ... my dad was drank himself to death b/c he was depressed and there were no ADs in the forties and fifties --so sad ...

~~ oh, and you may want to add a little cytomel (T3) to your synthroid (if you're hypo) -- that really helps the mood, and brain fog if you have it... many people swear by a natural dessicated pig thyroid produced by Armour (called Armour thyroid) -- it contains T4, T3, T2, and T1, all in one pill ... you may have some difficulty finding someone to prescribe it tho' ...

*this is by no means the full list, but it's all i can think of for now ...
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