Anyone ever had a reaction to Glucophage, extreme muscle pain or whatever, that might be Lactic Acidosis? It's "rare", I know but can be fatal.
I polled pharmacies and all of them advised me to stop taking the drug, to see if pain went away (yes) and if pain returned when med was resumed (yes). Male doctors argue that they don't "believe" this, such an ego thing that I'm looking for a woman doctor. Some of them evidently don't like our doing research on our own, also thought they were above returning calls to the pharmacy, but this goes to show we'd better be alert to this.
Re: Kidney, Liver, Heart Tests Annually if Over 5 yrs
I have no experience with glucophage, I was put on Amaryl (glimepiride) when first diagnosed earlier this year. My understanding is that glucophage blocks the absorption of glucose into the bloodstream. Amaryl works differently - its a pancreas/insulin stimulator. I had TERRIBLE reactions to the Amaryl - I felt poisoned and was sick for about 7 weeks - 4 of which were after I had stopped the meds. My doctors had the same response - "it coudn't be the meds" or "this has never happened to anyone else" or "you have anxiety disorder" AACCCKKKKK!!!! I was sooooo furious.
Anyway, I have been researching and studying A LOT in the past few months to learn about diabetes and gain control of my health, simply because I cannot rely on the drs for reliable or accurate or thorough information.
This may not answer your question... but perhaps provide some insight... Muscles burn glucose when excercised... Regardless of how your meds work, if the amount of available glucose changes, your muscles could be effected in one way or another, it is not necessarily lactic acidosis. These oral medications are POWERFUL drugs - they alter your body chemistry in dramatic ways and this can effect SO MANY things, your metabolism, adrenal function, muscle function, kidney and liver function, really everything! And of course everybody's body is different, so what you experience likely be different for you than anyone else.
On the other hand, lactic acidosis can occur with any diabetic that has impaired liver or kidney function. I believe that diabetics should have kidney and liver tests MORE OFTEN than annually. Not only medications, but diet and hydration play a major role in the health of these organs, and these are the organs that keep your body clean and free of toxins (including the natural toxins that your own body produces). If you are consuming more protein than recommended (like on an Atkins-type diet) you are at even greater risk because your kidneys are already overworked. If you are not drinking enough water (WATER, not diet sodapop!) your kidney function is impaired. Diabetics need more water than anyone else for a variety of reasons.
Doctors have a tendency to be quite nonchalant about the dispensing of meds, without providing much guidance to their patients. You cannot really blame them though - its how they were taught and its all they know. I believe that much of what they know about a drug (any drug) is what the pharm rep told them in a 15 minute meeting. My GP carries around a PDA and when I asked him about side effects he turned to the PDA and read to me what it said. It was EXACTLY the same information I had read on the web myself!
I realize you have been a diabetic for 17 years - have you always been on oral meds? Are you new to Metformin? Have you been able to control without?
I have not been diabetic that long and already have kidney problems. I have a full renal panel done monthly and liver function tests done quarterly.
Great Post re Same Experience, I'm Printing to Keep.
Oh wow, there's so much info here, and you know all about kidneys too. Hope you have time to tell us more, start to finish, on that. I have never had any kidney test, and metformin's contraindicated if you have any kidney problem. I wasn't new to it, but Dr. we had 36 yrs always wrote D.A.W., dispense as written, no generics for anything.
Re diet, you're right about Atkins and too much protein, but my readings go out of sight if I even look at bread or any carbs. I am leaving them out because my meds are 1/3 less and I'm 68, very hard to control.
I'm also afraid I might be allergic to insulin shots, and they wouldn't admit it, apparently can adjust to any new info. Insulin is probably easier for them, but they make money every time we have to come in.
But as the metformin and glucophage drain out of my system, I'm feeling a lot better and more cheerful. Maybe the buildup wasn't too bad. The ulcer on my bunion may be infected again, but I have my monthly appointment Wed. Having people to discuss all this with who've been there is a lifesaver. Thanks again.
Re: Kidney, Liver, Heart Tests Annually if Over 5 yrs
Well, the fact that you are perhaps eating high protein and diabetic and 68, you probably should have a renal panel and a 24 hour urine collection (for a variety of tests). The renal panel is a blood test that tests your kidney function. It tests things like the creatnine, creatnine clearance, and albumin levels in your blood, which is a good indication if the kidneys are doing their job - filtering out the toxins. The 24 hour urine collection can test for a variety of things - you have to ask your doctor to conduct as many tests as makes sense - theory being that as long as you are going through the pains of the 24 hour collection, do everything possible. Some of these tests examine protein in urine - this indicates a different aspect of kidney function - how efficiently the filtering is working and if you are nephrotic (spilling large amounts of protein). Other tests conducted on the 24 hour urine include metanephrines and catecholamines - these point to adrenal disorders and other hormonal imbalances.
Also - I collect all my lab results and enter them into a spreadsheet so I can compare the results side-by-side. When I showed my doctor he BEGGED me for a copy - because they don't get the results that way - they get them in a linear format so they have to keep flipping pages to compare current tests to previous tests. Drives me nuts how inefficient they can be!!!
Re: Kidney, Liver, Heart Tests Annually if Over 5 yrs
What a great idea, spreadsheets!
I should probably have a list of questions to ask next new doctor, maybe show your info which I've printed out. This man, when I'd specifically asked for a woman and they'd agreed, didn't just say "It can't be the medicine" but was almost yelling to take my metformin, wouldn't even change it to Glucophage. Simply claimed not to believe the published warnings. I'm not saying it had to be Lactic Acidosis, but had all the symptoms, and as you get older I guess you have more and more sensitivities. You said your Amyrl took 4 wks to vacate your system, so maybe this is going to take that long too. Pain's not nearly as bad.
I have some urine test strips besides my two blood meters, that I think would show it if I were spilling protein.
Spreadsheets are probably in Works 7? I have Word Perfect but no longer have Word. Blue Cross won't raise our group premiums because I change doctors again, with the extra they always charge for the first ofc visit, right?
For some reason, my hubby doesn't want to sign up for Medicare. He's still working. And I doubt he or any of our grown children could ever learn to give me shots if and when I ever need them. I'm in a worrying mood. You remember some wealthy woman's husband giving her too much insulin? The name may have been Von Bulow? Her name Sunny? If I were ready to go that route, I do know an endo, but I think orals should be used as long as possible, shots a last resort.
Are you trying another oral med , since the Amaryl? I bet that's rough with some of it still in your system. Is it working okay?