I've recently started taking the amino acids L-Arginine and L-lysine and was wondering if it is okay to take them together or seperately between meals through out the day,which is what i've been doing because i didn't know if by empty stomach that meant no food or no anything.Thanx Also can I take them with a muti-vitamin too?
I did a fairly long and expensive stint with arginine super-supplementation (along with ornithine) with the hopes of increasing growth hormone release yielding muscle growth and enhanced fat burn.
My conclusion was that the whole separate amino acid regimen was an expensive scam. Only my wallet got thinner and definitely NOT muscular.
I did a fairly long and expensive stint with arginine super-supplementation (along with ornithine) with the hopes of increasing growth hormone release yielding muscle growth and enhanced fat burn.
My conclusion was that the whole separate amino acid regimen was an expensive scam. Only my wallet got thinner and definitely NOT muscular.
Lenin I agree with you on THIS, I'm saying that cause I'm a little confused about the 2% of fat a day if its efa's but maybe you'll explain. I'm thinking you meant to put a zero there. These amino acids are found in the foods we eat, like meats and protein shakes. Unless your a vegitarian, I wouldn't waist my money either. If anything, try to supplement your diet with whey protein which is the best protein that the muscles assimilate. There is no need to add more amino acids to the diet unless, like I said, you don't consume animal products. Wouldn't one have to continuously consume these amino acids once the goal is attained to maintain it? I dunno, but I also think extra amino acids are a scam. Even my professor said it, especially about tryptophan aiding in sleep. THere was a study or something proving that this wasn't so.
Who are you guys reading . . . or what is the plan . . . that you think extra amino acids are a scam? Have you ever read anything by Julia Ross? I find her guidelines really helpful. And, according to her, the goal is healing . . . in other words, eventually you go off the extra amino acids.
Who are you guys reading . . . or what is the plan . . . that you think extra amino acids are a scam? Have you ever read anything by Julia Ross? I find her guidelines really helpful. And, according to her, the goal is healing . . . in other words, eventually you go off the extra amino acids.
Well, I'm actually referring to what my professor said about the amino acids. Maybe they are helpful for some, but my professor said there were studies done and that extra amino acids were irrelevant. I'll check her out, thanks.
I tried high dose arginine and FOUND they are a scam, and an expensive one at that. There's no substitute for experience: beats another pop book seller's claims any day...or worse another WEIDER ad in MUSCLE AND FITNESS!
Many studies have found that extrememly unbalanced amino acids are unavailable for constituting new protein and are merely burned off or turned to fat!
My apologies to anyone who thinks that Pearson and Shaw (large proponents of amino acid "therapy" with their LIFE EXTENSION empire) and their devoted followers, are anything but nutsy quacks, RICH nutsy quacks!
I agree. Unless you are vegetarian or have low intakes of protein foods, taking amino acids are a waste of money. You will get enough of the essential amino acids from the food you eat as well as your body synthesizes some as well.
I take L-Lysine (1000 mg/day) but it is to prevent cold sores. I have found that it works pretty well.
It seems there is much going on in the name of amino acid supplements. Yeah, I see Pearson and Shaw have quite a little money making venture going there. But the approach with which I am familiar requires checking a book (or books) about of the library (free, in my case) and buying one or several supplements that are not expensive at all, as supplements go.
AuntJudy,
Could I borrow a few hundred grand?
I found arginine in the 6-10 gram a day range to be QUITE expensive and ornithine even WORSE, and that's only a teeny component of the expense of "Life Extension."
Lenin, I understand you got yourself suckered into some sort of expensive supplements program. It is always a shame when such things happen.
The amino acid regime with which I am familiar and which I found helpful is quite different. It does not involve 6-10 grams of arginine (I don't think it even uses arginine), it does not involve 6-10 grams of ANY amino acid. You would not need a few hundred grand for my program. A few grand would cover it for a lifetime, with some left over.
Not all amino acid supplement programs are the same. It would be a shame if someone dismissed amino acid supplement that are potentially helpful based on a post saying they are all expensive . . . it simply is not true.
People need to investigate and evaluate programs and regimes!
re: "unless you're vegetarian", being vegetarian doesn't mean you need to supplement with amino acids or with protein in any way. most people on the standard american diet get about 3 times too much protein as it is. vegetarians get plenty of all the essential amino acids from a varied plant based diet. even vegans, which is what i am. it's no problem.
I agree with you there, however there are MANY individuals who become vegetarian because it is vogue to do so and they do not research how to eat properly on such a diet. Believe me, I see it every day.
i'm active in the vegetarian movement so i know over 100 vegetarians and vegans, easily, and not a single one protein deficient. in fact, overall, we seem to be a lot healthier than most of the meat eaters i know. no real research or planning required. but of course, you could theoretically be vegetarian and eat nothing but french fries and coca cola, which wouldn't be too good, so...
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Re: Amino acids question?
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Lenin I agree with you on THIS, I'm saying that cause I'm a little confused about the 2% of fat a day if its efa's but maybe you'll explain. I'm thinking you meant to put a zero there. These amino acids are found in the foods we eat, like meats and protein shakes. Unless your a vegitarian, I wouldn't waist my money either. If anything, try to supplement your diet with whey protein which is the best protein that the muscles assimilate. There is no need to add more amino acids to the diet unless, like I said, you don't consume animal products. Wouldn't one have to continuously consume these amino acids once the goal is attained to maintain it? I dunno, but I also think extra amino acids are a scam. Even my professor said it, especially about tryptophan aiding in sleep. THere was a study or something proving that this wasn't so.
i don't know if its technically classed as an amino-acid really, but in regards to amino acid treatment for depression, supplementation with 5-HTP (a derivative of L-trptophan) is worth spending your money on. 5-HTP isn't converted into niacin or used for protein manufacture, unlike L-tryptophan. 70% of it is absorbed in to the bloodstream and it passes the blood brain barrier easily. studies have shown it as being very effective in treating depression even when conventional drug treatment failed. the individual amino acid of L-phennylaline does also help. taking it on an empty stomach means its not "lost" in the heavy protein of a meal. its converted into dopamine and noradrenaline (two neurotransmitters also linked to depression). take it in the morning, at least 30mins before breakfast. it really helps to dispell depression of a lethergic type.
i'm active in the vegetarian movement so i know over 100 vegetarians and vegans, easily, and not a single one protein deficient. in fact, overall, we seem to be a lot healthier than most of the meat eaters i know. no real research or planning required. but of course, you could theoretically be vegetarian and eat nothing but french fries and coca cola, which wouldn't be too good, so...
I agree. Many vegetarians/vegans are extremely healthy and have good dietary practices, however in my job I see many who do not know what they are doing, usually new veggies. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they need amino acids. And usually veggies catch on pretty quickly as there is a fountain of information out there on the subject.
no real research or planning required. but of course, you could theoretically be vegetarian and eat nothing but french fries and coca cola, which wouldn't be too good, so...
Sorry, but I've gotta disagree with you on this one. Especially if one is eating no animal products, one must be conscious about getting the right mix of plant proteins. My experience is similar to tdot. In my case it is nieces and nephews and their peers. They are all wide-eyed and idealistic about becoming vegetarian, and their idea of being vegetarian is eating whatever is served (by parents, cafeteria, whatever) except animal products. It's not very healthy at all. But they get on the internet and see plenty of people saying, oh, Americans get too much protein, no one in America needs to worry about protein, and they think everything is fine. These are kids who are still growing.
i don't know if its technically classed as an amino-acid really, but in regards to amino acid treatment for depression, supplementation with 5-HTP (a derivative of L-trptophan) is worth spending your money on. 5-HTP isn't converted into niacin or used for protein manufacture, unlike L-tryptophan. 70% of it is absorbed in to the bloodstream and it passes the blood brain barrier easily. studies have shown it as being very effective in treating depression even when conventional drug treatment failed. the individual amino acid of L-phennylaline does also help. taking it on an empty stomach means its not "lost" in the heavy protein of a meal. its converted into dopamine and noradrenaline (two neurotransmitters also linked to depression). take it in the morning, at least 30mins before breakfast. it really helps to dispell depression of a lethergic type.
I actually have some 5-HTP that i bought for hangovers and PMS but i never remember to take it.Since i'm taking the other 2 when I wake up do you think it would be okay to add the 5-HTP to the mix as well? Or will they interfere with eachother?
The reason i'm taking L-Arginine is because I have (IC) cystitis and read on another post here that it would be a good suppliment to take because it helps to rebuild tissue in your body and helped them with bladder pain so....and the L-lysine i bought when i couldn't find the former at the store just because i heard it is good to take.My protien consumption varies day to day and since i just read that too much protien is bad for your kidneys on another post i'm scared to take too much of them now because i don't want it coming out in my urine causing more pain.
I've recently started taking the amino acids L-Arginine and L-lysine and was wondering if it is okay to take them together or seperately between meals through out the day,which is what i've been doing because i didn't know if by empty stomach that meant no food or no anything.Thanx Also can I take them with a muti-vitamin too?
I'm thinking you meant to put a zero there. 
