I just ate a big salad with turkey, tomatoes, olives, cucumbers, pepperoncinis, feta, hummus, and light dressing. I probably ate about half of a container of the hummus, and afterwards I looked at the nutritional information and was astonished. 7 servings in one small tub! And 60 calories per serving! That means that I ate about 200 calories worth of hummus (maybe more). Would you call this a bad thing?
My "light" lunch has turned out to be not so light with the feta, the hummus, the olives (oh yeah, and that small bowl of cereal I had afterwards).
I just ate about 350g of pasta..with 1 cup of chich peas and, 1/2 of cottage cheese..I just ate like for three people..ayayaa.oh well. I only eat pasta once a week, so when I eat it, I eat it. ..but, then again im a man.
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regarding the chick peas. Hey, you had a wonderfully delicious lunch and found out afterwards that its a little more calories heavy than you'd like. So, in future, just put yourself a portion out rather than leaving the container out as its so hard to put it down.
Hummous is not bad at all its has protein and lots of nutrients. Like everything in life, moderation is the key.
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I just ate about 350g of pasta..with 1 cup of chich peas and, 1/2 of cottage cheese..I just ate like for three people..ayayaa.oh well. I only eat pasta once a week, so when I eat it, I eat it. ..but, then again im a man.
Man, how could you walk after eating like all that food??!! haha. I bet you did an Al Bundy, right? - just unbuttoned the fly and collapsed onto the couch!!
I love pasta too but I try to only eat it once a week coz I gt too addicted and after I've eaten I'm so stuffed that I want to sleep or too stuff that I can't even lie down comfortably!! haha
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If you are worried about the calories in store bought hummus, make it yourself! I was vegetarian for 10 years + had a family who was crazy about healthy food. My Dad started making hummus when I was about 14 (10 years ago) and then I started making it too. I usually make it once a week and with the recipe I use, I never feel guilty about eating a lot of it.
Here is my recipe. Give it a try!
1 can chick peas, drained
2 cloves garlic
1 tbsp tahini (sesame seed paste)
juice of 2 lemons
2 tbsp olive oil
1 tsp cumin
salt and pepper to taste
1-3 tbsp of water (depending on how thick/smooth you like it)
Basically what I do is I puree the garlic the food processor, then I had the lemon juice, chick peas, tahini and so on. I drizzle the olive oil in slowly so it is smooth
*Tip: If you would like it to be really low fat, use only 1 tbsp olive oil and use water to make it smooth
This recipe is really low fat (and the fat used is healthy fat) and high in protein! I eat it everyday!!!
I scoop it onto my salads, spread it on bread when I'm making a sandwich, or eat it plain with fresh veggies (carrots are my favorite). It's soooo delicious!!!
Aside from thinking legumes are somehow "unnatural" food for us, I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't dream of eating them. They're full of protein, calcium, iron, and fiber and have healthy fat. I find them very easily digestible and would think most people would except perhaps for someone with diverticulitis or something similar going on. Are there some adverse effects that you know of or according to the paleolithic diet? Is there a logical reason we don't know for avoiding them? It just seems like we must have evolved to be able to eat them and other legumes considering how heart healthy they are and the other benefits they provide.
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Aside from thinking legumes are somehow "unnatural" food for us, I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't dream of eating them. They're full of protein, calcium, iron, and fiber and have healthy fat. I find them very easily digestible and would think most people would except perhaps for someone with diverticulitis or something similar going on. Are there some adverse effects that you know of or according to the paleolithic diet? Is there a logical reason we don't know for avoiding them? It just seems like we must have evolved to be able to eat them and other legumes considering how heart healthy they are and the other benefits they provide.
Legumes are well known to cause digestive problems unless properly prepared and even then there are the distress of gas and a growling belly. The phytates in legumes can cause poor absorbtion of minerals. Protease inhibitors can damage the pancreas, haemagglutins can produce various problems and Lathyrogens in Chickpeas can be responsible for Spastic paralysis of the legs, skeletal abnormalities. This (legumes) is not a food we were designed by evolution to eat and so I avoid all legumes. I know of no study that concludes that legumes are "heart healthy" if you do I would like to read it. I am not sure what other benifits they provide but perhaps you could educate me?
I think legumes present a superb mixture of nutrients that, IF PROPERLY COOKED, give the highest protein content by far in the plant world. I think without legumes, billions would have starved over the course of history because grains simply are not a comparably good source of protein.
Legumes MUST be cooked in some way to make them digestible, thus mankind evolved into creatures that early on learned the advantages of cooking and the clever management of fire.
If one wants to go back in evolutionary roots perhaps beyond Neanderthal, maybe to near apedom he might encounter an early man-like creature without the use of fire. Such a creature wouldn't eat legumes but then he wouldn't eat uncooked rice or raw chickens either. Man and cooking are a VERY natural evolutionary pair...and like the song goes "You can't have one without the other!"
Hummus is one of the true delights of the culinary world, made with toasted sesame oil, tasty olive oil, and tahini and served with hot pita, it's TO DIE for.
Now LEGUMES are bad, jeesh! I just ordered a bunch of soup from Westbrae called "Hearty Milano Minestrone Soup" and it's SOOOO good. I was gonna eat it for my lunch everyday since i'm not big on meat.(usually only one serving a day, sometimes none). And I'll have my whey to add more protein for a snack..that's beside the point but I really thought that beans were good for us. I don't even have flautulence anymore since i'm used to them. I love this soup, it's full of veggies and beans in a great tasting broth. Aren't beans (legumes) a plant, a plant that's is meant for us to eat??? Now i'm REALLY confused, lol.
Legumes are well known to cause digestive problems unless properly prepared and even then there are the distress of gas and a growling belly. The phytates in legumes can cause poor absorbtion of minerals. Protease inhibitors can damage the pancreas, haemagglutins can produce various problems and Lathyrogens in Chickpeas can be responsible for Spastic paralysis of the legs, skeletal abnormalities. This (legumes) is not a food we were designed by evolution to eat and so I avoid all legumes. I know of no study that concludes that legumes are "heart healthy" if you do I would like to read it. I am not sure what other benifits they provide but perhaps you could educate me?
I just double checked, I can't give out the website, but dr. Mercola(only one example) says that eating legumes(beans) can cut your risk of a heart attack by 20%! Plus other benefits like lower blood pressure. Check it out and let me know what you think. One thing though, is that legumes affects insulin levels in the diabetic patient.
And yes, they could cause digestive problems, but you have to get used to them by eating little by little. Brocolli is VERY healthy but unfortuanetly, it makes me really ill. Not too mention cabbage and califlower.
I think legumes present a superb mixture of nutrients that, IF PROPERLY COOKED, give the highest protein content by far in the plant world. I think without legumes, billions would have starved over the course of history because grains simply are not a comparably good source of protein.
Legumes MUST be cooked in some way to make them digestible, thus mankind evolved into creatures that early on learned the advantages of cooking and the clever management of fire.
If one wants to go back in evolutionary roots perhaps beyond Neanderthal, maybe to near apedom he might encounter an early man-like creature without the use of fire. Such a creature wouldn't eat legumes but then he wouldn't eat uncooked rice or raw chickens either. Man and cooking are a VERY natural evolutionary pair...and like the song goes "You can't have one without the other!"
Hummus is one of the true delights of the culinary world, made with toasted sesame oil, tasty olive oil, and tahini and served with hot pita, it's TO DIE for.
Legumes were only consumed in any substantial way after agriculture began. Althought humankind's control of fire may be hundreds of thousands of years there were no vessels to cook things like grains and legumes. Your evolutionary time line is skewed; Neanderthals lived with early true modern humans just a few hundred thousand years ago and only died out some tens of thousands of years ago. The divergence from apes is much further back, with the last common ancestor of chimps and what became humans some 6 MILLION years ago. As to the delights of the culinary world I can only say that is in the taste buds of the beholder, a paleolithic person would not recognize bread or hummas for that matter as food. So here is the basic concept. There has been no evolutionary change in what our bodies have been designed by time to eat. All of the foods that entered the diet because of agriculture are essentially foreign to our gut. The diseases of modern humans can be traced to a diet that is based on those agricultural products. The evidence is clear when you examine the bones of preagricultural people and those that came after. Preagricultual people were much larger, had denser and bigger bones, were more heavily muscled and showed no indications of the diseases that plagued the agriculturists, they also had few or 0 dental caries. Those people that began eating a grain based diet became much smaller and the health problems become much more problematic. You can use your search engine to find much more.
Legumes were only consumed in any substantial way after agriculture began. Althought humankind's control of fire may be hundreds of thousands of years there were no vessels to cook things like grains and legumes. Your evolutionary time line is skewed; Neanderthals lived with early true modern humans just a few hundred thousand years ago and only died out some tens of thousands of years ago. The divergence from apes is much further back, with the last common ancestor of chimps and what became humans some 6 MILLION years ago. As to the delights of the culinary world I can only say that is in the taste buds of the beholder, a paleolithic person would not recognize bread or hummas for that matter as food. So here is the basic concept. There has been no evolutionary change in what our bodies have been designed by time to eat. All of the foods that entered the diet because of agriculture are essentially foreign to our gut. The diseases of modern humans can be traced to a diet that is based on those agricultural products. The evidence is clear when you examine the bones of preagricultural people and those that came after. Preagricultual people were much larger, had denser and bigger bones, were more heavily muscled and showed no indications of the diseases that plagued the agriculturists, they also had few or 0 dental caries. Those people that began eating a grain based diet became much smaller and the health problems become much more problematic. You can use your search engine to find much more. BTW I did not know that Mercola advocated legumes, he is very down on grains but could not be considered a paleo diet guy because he advocates raw milk.
So then my pre-algricultural ancestors were much larger than I am (I'm 6'2"?) Gee, they must be hiding those 7 foot prehistoric remains because all that I've seen are quite small.
"No vessels to cook in" is quite preposterous. I would think that ANY brain that can manage fire is quite capable of hollowing a soft stone or making something from MUD.
These heavily muscled brutes gave way to heavily and convolutedly BRAINED ones who didn't NEED to chase prey and beat it with sticks to get a meal...they grew it, or trapped it.
One can trust that as soon as man learned manage the fire AND the pot, he put beans and lentils into it and enjoyed his "potage." He laughed at his soon to be extinct heavily muscled neighbors running around with their sticks after their breakfast.
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Your evolutionary time line is skewed; Neanderthals lived with early true modern humans just a few hundred thousand years ago and only died out some tens of thousands of years ago.
is a criticism of my "timeline"
Would you show me how?
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If one wants to go back in evolutionary roots perhaps beyond Neanderthal, maybe to near apedom he might encounter an early man-like creature without the use of fire.
The evidence is clear from human remains that preagricultureal people were much larger than those that ate an agriculturally based diet. Pottery is of very recent vintage so our evolutionary ancestors HAD NONE. There is substantial evidence that our modern brain is about 14% smaller than the brain of our preagricultural forebearers again a result of our agriculturally based diet. This information and much more is available when you research paleolithic diets on the web.
Well, I'll certainly lend some credibility to our brains possibly being smaller nowadays, especially when you consider the mess this whole world is in.
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Just because modern agriculture only developed new methods of producing our food, doesn't mean that it wasn't meant for us to eat it. Yeah, from the VERY beginning, all that there was to eat was plants and animal flesh. But what about new discoveries??? What about all of the NEW modern effective discoveries about alternative medicines, herbs, etc. That wasn't taking place at the beginning of time??? Man was just becoming more intuitive and smarter by discovering more ways to eat other foods like rice, beans, whole grains etc. Look at all of the new research regarding recent(not too recent) benefits of fairly modern foods, herbs, etc. There is NOTHING wrong with rice and beans...as time evolved, more discoveries were made!
Same goes for man who developed higher tech appliances and electronics. We are just getting smarter. Did you ever hear of a vcr, or refrigerator 10,000 years ago?
Our brains probably have shrunk because of all of the processed sugar that is prevalent in many diets today. That's the key, to stay away from THAT junk.
..but, then again im a man.
you can eat. LOL. so eat 
Not too mention cabbage and califlower.
