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Old 03-24-2003, 05:43 PM   #1
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Hi everyone, I'm 17 years old and have been a heavy 2% partly skimmed milk drinker for practically all my life. At one point I would drink up to one litre a day!

Anyways, I've stopped drinking 2% two months ago and have started drinking soy milk now.

I remember watching a clip somewhere, it mentioned that cow's milk:

-Is loaded with bad growth hormones, toxins, antibiotics and bacteria

-Causes too much mocus

-Is like drinking glue

-Causes lactose intollerance and allergies, can offset cancers and asthma.

It also mentions that the protein inside milk prevents calcium from being apsorbed, even though the media says milk builds strong bones. According to the clip, the media gives everyone the idea that milk is nature's perfect food, because you see celebrities with those moustaches. The media is all trying to cover up the fact that milk is one of the most hazardous supstances ever.

By the way, I'm talking about cow's milk. I don't think any of this applies to human breast milk so don't worry.

Anyways just my two cents on why I stopped drinking milk. If this can help anyone out then that's great; I know that I feel a lot healthier now.

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Old 03-24-2003, 06:06 PM   #2
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You are absolutely correct. The factory-farming methods used to increase milk production have led to a horrendous quality to our milk. In fact each glass of cow's milk you drink contains nearly dangerous amounts of puss, yumm eh?

The fact about animal protein is also true. For proof look to the fact that Americans consume far more calcium than any other nationality of people in the world (also more animal protein), yet we have the highest rate of osteoporosis. Calcium from plant sources is much better for you.

Good for you on the soy milk part; you can also get calcium-fortified soy milk which has just as much calcium as cow's milk, just without the chemicals, hormones, pus, and cholesterol.

 
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Old 03-24-2003, 07:58 PM   #3
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Very good Kramerica! Yes, milk is not good for you. The dairy industry is very powerful. Recently i heard they lobbied to stop the sale of soy milk in public schools.

Milk is a very poor source of calcium, because it contains too much phosphorus that blocks calcium absorption.

Unfortunately, most people will always think it's "does a body good."

 
Old 03-25-2003, 06:32 AM   #4
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The other alternative would be if you could find some nice unpasteurized, unhomogenized milk from pasture-fed cows.

 
Old 03-25-2003, 10:14 AM   #5
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Unpasturized milk or juice is not a good idea. Orangic pasturized milk, yes. Pasturization is just a method of heating up the milk/juice so that it kills the bacteria in the product. Pasturization does not add the hormones. The hormones are fed to the cows and that is how it gets in the milk. If you get a hold of some unpasturized milk, you can really get sick. Unpasturized milk/juice contains ecoli and saminella. If you're scared of milk, just stick with the soy milk. Soy milk is much safer than unpasturized milk.

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Old 03-25-2003, 01:22 PM   #6
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Sorry, Magpiezoe, but I disagree completely about pasteurization. Sure, you have to know the source, but raw milk produced well is as safe as anything else. I don't know where you are getting your information about unpasteurized milk and juice containing ecoli and salmonella and making one sick, but it just is not true. Along with the bacteria, pasteurization also kills beneficial enzymes.

 
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Hello, The dangers of unpasteuriztion of juices and milk can be found by doing searches through search engines or going to the FDA, (United States Food and Drug Administration)CDC, (United States Center for Disease Control) and the Canadian Health Dept. website. There you will find information on reported ecoli and salmenlla outbreaks due to the consumption of unpasteurized juices and milk and under cooked meats. These websites are free and open to the public. There are no advertisements or selling on government websites. Here are some government links listed below...Ecoli and salmenella are especially dangerous to young children, senior citizens, and people with low immune systems.
[url="http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/corpaffr/foodfacts/juicee.shtml"]http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/corpaffr/foodfacts/juicee.shtml[/url]
[url="http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/juicefl.html"]http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/juicefl.html[/url]
[url="http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00044358.htm"]http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00044358.htm[/url]
[url="http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9809/08/juice.safety/"]http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9809/08/juice.safety/[/url]
[url="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5125a2.htm"]http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5125a2.htm[/url]
[url="http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/escherichiacoli_g.htm"]http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/escherichiacoli_g.htm[/url]


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Old 03-26-2003, 02:09 PM   #8
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My $.02:

I agree with auntJudy. Organic, Pasture-fed. Unpasteurized is probably healthier than pasteurized if it is not contaminated because it is LESS PROCESSED and contains MORE ENZYMES, which even slight heat destroys. Of course, a little common sense goes A LONG WAYS! Most producers of organic/pasture-fed cow milk are very scrupulous and are usually quite small companies, who really care about their work and their products. GeT REal! Plus, milk from pasture-fed cows has been found to contain up to 600% more conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) than regular super-market milk. CLA fights cancer and obesity. That said, I still advise caution to consuming any cow milk in high quantities or when you have a respiratory condition because it can aggravate mucous conditions. Ramsemonius.

 
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There have been outbreaks of ecoli and salmonella from many foods. The problem is the food being handled under unsanitary conditions and being contaminated; the problem is not the unpasteurized food.

 
Old 03-27-2003, 04:56 PM   #10
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ewww..milk is so gross. i love rice milk, almond milk, and soy bean milk

 
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Hello, There is organic/pasture feed cow milk that is pasteurized. You don't have to buy grocery store milk to get pasteurized milk. I was infering that massed produced, hormone filled milk is better than organic. I was just saying that make sure it's pasteurized.

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Old 04-04-2003, 08:07 AM   #12
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You should take a look into liquid calcium magnesium and vitamin D and phophorus. If you are going to not do dairy. Too much soy is not healthy either estrogens accumulate in your fat for storage and cause hormone imbalances etc. etc. One should get their nutrients from a variety of sources. Just a friendly FYI.
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Old 04-07-2003, 09:54 AM   #13
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Correction, correction. I just re-read my own post and found that I forgot the "n't" on the word "was." I was trying to say that I wasn't infering that hormone induced milk is better than organic, just to be careful of where you're getting your organic milk. Man, did I leave myself wide open. Sorry. The only nutritive ingredient that I know of that is damage by heat is vit. C, which is not in milk. Feel free to enlighten me about other heat damage nutrients.

Amond milk...now that has my interest up. Where do you get it? Does it come powdered or in liquid form? Does it taste better than soy milk when you make pudding and can you bake with it?

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Old 04-07-2003, 11:12 AM   #14
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Originally posted by Magpiezoe:
The only nutritive ingredient that I know of that is damage by heat is vit. C, which is not in milk. Feel free to enlighten me about other heat damage nutrients.

Amond milk...now that has my interest up. Where do you get it? Does it come powdered or in liquid form? Does it taste better than soy milk when you make pudding and can you bake with it?
Enzymes are killed by heat - that's the major issue with pasteurization, anyway.

My Whole Foods has almond milk. I've seen recipes on the net, though, so a search might bring one up.

 
Old 04-08-2003, 10:47 PM   #15
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Oh come on.

Milk is also good for you you know!

I've been living in CHina for almost a year now.

For the first six months I didn't drink milk, but started on skim milk more recently. Since then, my weight is back on track and I'm feeling much more healthy.

I think too many people poo poo milk. Sure it has this and that in it, but dammit - so does the other food you eat.

What about soy milk? Have you men grown breasts yet?

Big fat milk moustached smile....
cheers

 
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