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Old 03-19-2006, 05:04 AM   #1
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No cause for Post nasal drip

Is it possible that there's no cause for PND? I've read that it's caused by allergies, infections etc., but just had an allergy test and according to the test I only have seasonal allergy. I have pretty much suffer from pnd my whole life. Also I have to constantly spit into a tissue which is very annoying, because mucus almost never comes out of the nose. I had a CT-Scan and according to the ENT specialist there's no infection. Though I'm not really sure if CT-scans are 100% reliable. I did have a deviated septum, but I've had a surgery to fix this, but it didn't stop the post nasal drip. This is getting really frustrating because it's also causing me to have bad breath and I don't have any contact with anyone. Plz help, I'm really going crazy...Don't want the rest of my life to be like this

 
Old 03-19-2006, 12:52 PM   #2
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Re: No cause for Post nasal drip

Seasonal allergies can keep post nasal drip going year round. Have you tried taking an antihistamine? There are some over the counter that are plain antihistamine without deconjestants and some with. For me there is something all the time that keeps my seasonal allergy in high gear.

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Old 03-28-2006, 12:48 PM   #3
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Re: No cause for Post nasal drip

In my case, my turbinates were enlarged at random times during the day (usualy when I was going out) blocking my nose a little (I could still breath after swallowing the mucus) and causing me horrible pnd. During the deviated septum surgery I had a few days back, they also cauterize the turbinates preventing them from expanding. I guess that was an allergic reaction?
So, Im on day two after having everything removed from my nose and I can say I probably have no post nasal drip any more. Maybe a little bit but that will probably go away too.

 
Old 04-01-2006, 11:28 AM   #4
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Re: No cause for Post nasal drip

I had my septum surgery a month ago , but it didn't really stop the pnd. I still have to spit all that white mucus out. i can't blow it out because it gets stuck in my nose. I didn't have the turbinates expand prevention thing, but the ENT's here are not really willing to help me. They're just like take the nasal spray and beat it. I'm really sick of my life to be honest.

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Old 04-02-2006, 08:44 AM   #5
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Re: No cause for Post nasal drip

Are you doing nasal irrigations? It's not going to eliminate PND entirely but may help in thinning out the mucuos and allowing it to drain properly.

 
Old 04-02-2006, 02:05 PM   #6
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Re: No cause for Post nasal drip

and unfortunately the only product that helps me is Sudafed 12 hr release; and they're going to make it even harder for us to buy; hey thanks addicts!

 
Old 04-22-2006, 05:44 AM   #7
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Re: No cause for Post nasal drip

Noptical, can you tell me how you are doing now after your septum surgery + turbinates reduction. Do you still suffer from bad breath?? I feel like my septum surgery hasn't even helped me one bit :S

 
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Re: No cause for Post nasal drip

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Noptical, can you tell me how you are doing now after your septum surgery + turbinates reduction. Do you still suffer from bad breath?? I feel like my septum surgery hasn't even helped me one bit :S
Almost no change altough now I can sometimes blow my nose. Dunno what causes it but my nostrils get blocked (turbinates?) alternately during the day (70% of the time is the left one which led me to think that maybe they didnt cauterize the turbinates enough?). This makes the mucus going down my throat (bb cause 1) and especially when I go outside there's SO much mucus i just cant breath (sorry for the graphic description).

Now, only causes left are, chronic sinusitis (due to mucus build up in sinuses) and allergies which cause my turbinates to expand. First one treated with surgergy (search for posts of user "chuckwho") the other one with drugs and turbinate reduction (prevents turbinates from blocking your nose). Go to an ENT, the biggest of most bb sufferers in this forum is that they're too shy to tell a doc. Overcome this fear and tell him everything. The trick is to find the right doc who's willing to help and has the proper knowledge which is hard (I know because my 5th ENT was the only one who seemed to know what he was doing, but most docs where I live lousy here anyway). I'm pretty positive that I will solve this problem and I'm not going to stop looking for the solution until I find it. GO TO AN ENT AND TELL HIM YOU HAVE BAD BREATH AND WANT IT TO GO AWAY NO MATTER WHAT.

 
Old 04-24-2006, 02:42 AM   #9
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Re: No cause for Post nasal drip

I've been to 3 different ENT's, two in this country and one outside. None of them have been able to figure out what's wrong with me. I've told them everything, I do admit I was a little shy in the beginning when I told them but now I realize it isn't my fault. Two of the ENT's even said post nasal drip can't cause bad breath, but I've read somewhere on the site that the ENT's have lack of knowledge on this problem and they say bad breath will be coming from your stomach. If an ENT tells you this you should visit another one. I had one that did say it was possible pnd causes bad breath but he hasn't been able to help me either. I've done an CT Scan but it didn't show an infection. What I don't understand is that there are some people who have constant post nasal drip but don't suffer from bad breath at all. There moust be something wrong with the mucous. This is crazy now because of the fact I visited three ENT's and none of them has been able to help me, My family think it's a psychological problem. But I get reactions all the time when I talk to them face to face, that's why I try to avoid that all the time. I've kinda lost my trust in every ENT here on this planet. I think it's better to look for a solution yourself since I'm pretty sure that the chances of someone having this problem are very small, like a 0,001% chance. That's why most of the ENT's won't be able to figure out what's wrong with you or won't believe you. Is your mucous also like clear or sometimes white coloured and very thick and hard to swallow??? The ENT's I visited say it's only possible that you have a sinus infection if the mucous is yellow- or green-coloured, but another member on this forum "chuckwho" who got cured from the infection said his mucous was very gluey and clear too.

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Old 04-24-2006, 06:33 AM   #10
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Re: No cause for Post nasal drip

What I learned: if one doc can't help, go to another one until you find the solution even if it takes to visit 15 or 20 docs. That's better than living with this problem for your whole life right? My mucus BEFORE the surgery was almost always (if not just always) completely clear, like water only slimy. Or maybe sometimes it was milky white (not a clear white fluid, but a white fluid with bubbles or something like that). Now after the surgery mucus won't just run through the nose, I have to blow it (sometimes impossible but I think nasal irrigation helps). And it is sometimes white (the one I mentioned before) or sometimes (maybe most of the times) green. For the first 2-3 weeks after the surgery (now its 4 weeks and a few days, since march 21st) it was green/brown or just pure brown (blood?).
Yes post nasal drip CAN cause bad breath, the ENT who denies it automatically accepts that he's an idiot. 2 reasons:
1. The bacteria on your tongue feed on your mucus and produce that nasty white stuff (probably related to No2)
2. The mucus caries pus to the back of your tongue and throat (not sure if it is pus, but I read somewhere that it is the pus that the mucus contains because of the infection, causes the bad breath).

Things you have to do:
1. Get tested for allergies (IMPORTANT)
2. Find another ENT

I also read somewhere that a sinus infection can be fungal or viral and the one that causes bb is the fungal one while viral is the one most people get.

I'm going to test myself for allergies and go back to my last ENT (which is pretty good it seems) and if I'm lucky enough I'm going to have a chronic sinusitis surgery and get rid of this thing forever. I'll keep you updated.

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Old 04-24-2006, 11:46 AM   #11
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Re: No cause for Post nasal drip

Yea I kinda agree with you on that. The ENT I visisted outside this country said that I had two seperated problems, which was post nasal drip and Bad breath. I kinda told them that there was a connection between the two problems: The post nasal drip causes the bad breath, but he was like "believe me, the smell is coming from the stomach". I have to be a real idiot to actually believe what he says. I feel like I got more knowledge than them but whatever. Maybe I should go back to my old ENT, at least he said it was the mucus causing the smell. unfortenately he hasn't been able to help me. I did the allergy test a few months ago. I only have seasonal allergy (not hayfever though), so have absolutely no idea why I got post nasal drip 365 days a year. That's actually why I created this topic. Maybe there's no cause, that kinda means I'm screwed for the rest of my life.

Getting yourself tested for allergies isn't really goin to help much because sometimes the things you're allergic to is in your daily environment. It is impossible to avoid it.

Just wondering how are you planning on getting him to do a chronic sinisitus surgery if u don't have one??

 
Old 04-24-2006, 01:09 PM   #12
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Re: No cause for Post nasal drip

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Just wondering how are you planning on getting him to do a chronic sinisitus surgery if u don't have one??
That ENT ordered an xray of my sinuses in one of my visits. I did it and it showed mucus thickening in my sinuses (not sure if I translated right, English is not my main language) and he said that this results in frequent sinus infections. But normally this would result in ups and downs in my bb, post nasal drip, pharyngitis (chronic as well) and all the other symptoms but since its always the same (just getting worse very slowly) I guess it's just one infection that doesnt go away (= chronic). All I need to do is to visit him and have a CT scan to get a detailed image of the problem. I'm pretty positive because this ENT is the most talkative and helpful person I ever met Not something you see on a doc every day

The fact that you can be allergic to your every day environment doesnt mean anything. You can still take some medication that will reduce the problem and also you can cauterize your turbinates so they dont block your nose (if they do) so the mucus runs through your nose and not down your throat. I remember an ENT told me that it's an allergic reaction that makes your turbinates to swell so they cauterize them to prevent them to swell.

Also, make sure to have a full check up. Sometimes health problems come from where you dont expect them. Have a blood test, urine/stool test whatever is needed. Have your colon checked and have colon cleanses. Do you ever have problems with bowel movements? Abdominal pains? Intestinal pains? Go to a gastroenterologist and have yourself checked. Sounds too much of work to do, but do you wish to stay with this problem forever? Personally, I would do whatever it takes to get rid of it.
Btw, how old are you?

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Old 04-25-2006, 02:42 AM   #13
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Re: No cause for Post nasal drip

No other problems, just post nasal drip and always a bad taste in my mouth and throat that makes me want to vomit. I can really taste it when I breath through my mouth with my mouth closed. I'm still a teenager, I've tried every possible anti-allergy medicine out there, but none reduced the problem. I don't think it's allergies causing post nasal drip and according to the CT-Scan there isn't an infection either. Btw I pretty much know a lot about BB and post nasal drip. I've seen in some post you explained everything in detail, I thought I'd maybe save you some time in the future with typing by telling you this, unless you don't mind explaining it in detail.

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Old 04-26-2006, 03:55 AM   #14
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Re: No cause for Post nasal drip

Busted2 -
There are two other things that could cause post nasal drip/bad breath: 1 - food intolerance and 2 - candida. If you are intolerant to wheat for instance and you're eating it every day, you'd have constant post nasal drip and sinus infections. If you have candida, you'd have a lot of congestion, sinus trouble and post nasal drip. I've read of a case where a girl had horrific breath, the kind that could be smelled across a room. Turns out she was lactose intolerant and once dairy was removed from her diet, her breath cleared 100%. I read of another case where a woman's breath was like rotting corpses. They treated her with anticandida diet and supplements and within 3 months her breath cleared. If ENT's and xrays indicate no trouble in your nasal or oral areas, you might look at these as potential causes.

 
Old 04-28-2006, 05:12 AM   #15
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Re: No cause for Post nasal drip

But I hardly eat any dairy products or sugar products. I hardly eat eggs, never drink milk, never eat yoghurt, no ice cream, no cookies, no cakes... This whole thing is extremely frustrating... Especially when you're in public or at school you see everyone having conversations without worrying about having BB, you don't feel normal. I'm really depressed about this whole thing.

 
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