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Old 12-30-2003, 08:04 AM   #1
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Hello. I'm new to the boards and have been posting questions on the Allergy board, with no response. I realized, after reading the questions and comments here on Environmental Disorders, that I might be mis-posting.

Like several others, I appear to be very sensitive to my apartment. We moved from a drafty 1890s era rental house due to concerns with regard to lead paint (our daughter was starting to crawl). Now we're in a place built in the 1990s. While our utility bills are significantly lower, I feel sick when I walk into the place. What's so screwed up is that this is the second, fairly-new place we've lived in the last 6 months and I had the same problem in the other place.

It goes like this:

1. I feel a slight burning sensation in my chest (almost like heartburn, but related to breathing)

2. My stomach begins to get bloated to the point of becoming uncomfortable

3. My lower abdomen into my groin area becomes bloated and painful

4. My lower back (and possibly kidneys) get sore. I’ve found that I am more susceptible to back injury when I’m feeling this pain.

Except for a few kind people at ALT.MED.ALLERGY, I have not been taken very seriously. As I am a life-long sufferer of allergies, I know my body and my reactions pretty well. I have not been able to find a physician that really listens to me about this issue. I am also far from wealthy, so experimenting with duct cleaning and professional carpet cleaning, without the assurance of addressing this issue, is problematic.

Can anybody recommend a strategy? I’ve tried to make some changes, but I cannot seem to improve my condition. Thanks.

 
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Re: Sick Home

bjlauder, here is a similar thread that might interest you on the same subject, in case you haven't come across it.

"SENSITIVE TO STUFF IN MY APARTMENT"

[url]http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=55342&highlight=apartme nt[/url]

I had been involved in another conversation with someone with very similar problems to yours, but I don't know if it was this forum or another one. I can't find the conversation.

 
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Thanks. It seems kind of strange that this happens to people and that the medical community does not recognize MCS and other similar D/Os. I'm frustrated by my symptoms, by not knowing if it is allergies or something else and by the odd nature of my condition (I'm better off in my unfinished basement or outside), but I am furious that I cannot get a medical professional to fully admit that they don't know my condition and then appropriately refer me to someone who might. My allergist prescribed Prilosec! Am I getting acid reflux from the air in my apartment?

You asked about symptoms. I read that you had some trouble with your heart rate. I find myself waking up in a near panic in the middle of the night. Sometimes my chest hearts, but other times my heart is racing. A couple of times I felt like I was gagging; have you had any of this? The four major symptoms, not related to my sinus infections are:

-trouble breathing
-tight chest
-bloating and pain from the top of my stomach to my groin
-back pain

The symptoms occur in this order. Physicians seem to pick one of the symptoms and decide to treat it: heartburn, bronchitis, asthma, allergies… whatever. I also often explain past experiences I have had. I had to remove all plants from my bedroom. If they get the least bit of mold or mildew from watering, not to mention any kind of decay, I can’t breath when I sleep. I’ve had to clean my ductwork in the past when I realized that I could sleep only with the vents closed in my bedroom.

However, I have never had the stomach trouble or the immediate reaction to my dwelling space. Sorry for going on and on. On the positive side, I cannot wait to get to work in the morning!

 
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Thanks. It seems kind of strange that this happens to people and that the medical community does not recognize MCS and other similar D/Os.
There are MCS doctors. MCS sufferers can also qualify for Social Security Disability.

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I'm frustrated by my symptoms, by not knowing if it is allergies or something else and by the odd nature of my condition (I'm better off in my unfinished basement or outside), but I am furious that I cannot get a medical professional to fully admit that they don't know my condition and then appropriately refer me to someone who might.
Most doctors, just like any other profession, just do their job out of their professional manuals. Doctors only see their patients once in a long while, and only see a tiny microcosm of a patient's real symptoms, lifestyle and experiences. Each patient is different. Their immune system experiences are different. How a patient reacts to irritants is usually based and developed over many years. It is very complex. Each patient, like you, is like a chess game to a doctor.

A doctor could just take your case and almost spend full time trying to figure out how to cure you. Doctors really have almost impossible jobs. Then you have to figure in the factor that many doctors choose the wrong profession, and should have been mailmen or car mechanics instead.

In your case, the doctor scratches his head, looks your symptoms up in his job manual, finds something about acid reflux, and gives you a pill that he can understand. He can treat acid reflux. He just can't understand or treat the weird problems that we have!

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My allergist prescribed Prilosec! Am I getting acid reflux from the air in my apartment?
Could be. Have you read about out-gassing? Paneling, carpets, furniture, etc. outgas stuff like formaldehyde.

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You asked about symptoms. I read that you had some trouble with your heart rate. I find myself waking up in a near panic in the middle of the night. Sometimes my chest hearts, but other times my heart is racing. A couple of times I felt like I was gagging; have you had any of this?
You have nailed my main problems right on the head. I have a slight sensitivity to cotton. Usually this doesn't bother me. If I use 100% organic, pure cotton, and I lie under it, I will almost immediately get a little tightness in my chest and some problems breathing, my heart then will first start to skip a beat every once in a while, followed by a thud! Then, as time goes by, my heart will skip additional beats, and then get more erratic. If I fall asleep, I will wake up about 3am with my heart racing, thumping, skipping, jumping, and with me feeling totally exhausted, sweaty and weak. For the next day or two I will feel totally drained and ill.

Unfortunately, I experience these same problems at other times, for other reasons, so it just isn't limited to organic cotton, and when I go to sleep.

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The four major symptoms, not related to my sinus infections are:

-trouble breathing
-tight chest
-bloating and pain from the top of my stomach to my groin
-back pain

The symptoms occur in this order.
I only get the top two, plus the feeling drained and fatigued.

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Physicians seem to pick one of the symptoms and decide to treat it: heartburn, bronchitis, asthma, allergies… whatever. I also often explain past experiences I have had.
Explaining symptoms just falls on deaf ears. It isn't in their shop manuals. So, they wait until you say something that is in their shop manuals, like you have a sore big toe. They will look up sore big toe, see how much to charge your insurance, and then they smile because THEIR problems are solved.

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I had to remove all plants from my bedroom. If they get the least bit of mold or mildew from watering, not to mention any kind of decay, I can’t breath when I sleep. I’ve had to clean my ductwork in the past when I realized that I could sleep only with the vents closed in my bedroom.

However, I have never had the stomach trouble or the immediate reaction to my dwelling space. Sorry for going on and on. On the positive side, I cannot wait to get to work in the morning!
There are so many problems with the air indoors, including mold, outgassing of furniture, paneling, insulation, rugs, etc. Add to that the dusts and chemicals used for cleaning and you really have a complicated mess.

Then....... there is the biggy! The outside air. You might be living in a place that has more pollutants and pollens in the air. There could be some plants or bushes or trees or flowers, in your neighborhood, that are spewing out their stuff, and making you react even worse.

I have similar problems to you. If I leave my home, and go outside on a low pollen/low pollution day, my blood pressure and my symptoms are diminished. On the other hand, if I go outside when the pollens and pollution are bad, my symptoms get worse.

So, as you, I realize that the environment where I live is not the best for my health.

I've got large air cleaners (cost about $50 each at auction) in each major room of my house, with two in this office, and two in my bedroom. I vacuum the filters often, and if there was smoke in the air, I will blow out the filters with a large fan that I own.

I also air my place out. I open all the windows for about 30 minutes, but not during rush hour, and not when the air pollution or pollen level is high. That seems to help. Otherwise, though, I keep my windows closed.

What am I doing right now to help stop these maddening symptoms and reactions? This note is too long. I will finish in the next note. I have made some major changes in my home to deal with my illness. I will cover those also in the next note.

 
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Re: Sick Home

Many similar symptoms, but worst was a swollen sinus headache. Always indoors, Allergist found no allergies - none. Going outdoors always relieved sysmptoms. I had occassions when I slept outdoors last year on the patio when the weather was nice, in the car otherwise

Then I found a bag of "the smells of Christmas" by Aromatique of Heber Springs Arkansas. Potpourri that my wife had placed under a living room table Christmas 2002 and forgotten. It had been there 9 months. I sufferred 9 months of misery. Getting rid of it got rid of the headaches but not the congestion. I had become sensative to many other odors because of the overload on my immune sysytem by the perfumed antagonist. Morning newspaper had to go. All of my wifes scented candles, etc - same. Gone! Snuggles fabric softener used on the bed linens was a major irritant and cause of my loss of sleep.. We have had the carpet and drapes cleaned professionally, upholstered furniture, too. CH/AC ducts were cleaned. bought electronic room filters. Open the house frequently when weather permits. I am getting better, slowly.

Some of perfumed soaps, house fresheners, etc can kill you. Be carefull with what you buy for your home.

Good luck

 
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