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Old 01-31-2006, 02:29 AM   #1
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Lazy Eye getting worse

Hi, I am 31 and when I was 4 and 5 I had eye operations to correct my vision. One of my eyes is "lazy", it looks like it is looking to the left when I look straight ahead for example.

When I talk to people, it is embarssing because they turn around to see what I'm looking at, thinking that I am looking at something else, t hen they realize my eye is bad. It is very embarassing and my whole life I try not to make eye contact. This has created a social problem and I hate it.

Is there any way to correct this? Does surgery work? I would rather not have an operation, but it feels like it is getting worse one of my eyes is 20/20 and the other has a heavy prescription. Do you think this has anything to do with it? Do you think if I stop wearing glasses the other eye will work harder to focus and not be as "lazy"? Thanks for any info!
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Hi, I am 31 and when I was 4 and 5 I had eye operations to correct my vision. One of my eyes is "lazy", it looks like it is looking to the left when I look straight ahead for example.

When I talk to people, it is embarssing because they turn around to see what I'm looking at, thinking that I am looking at something else, t hen they realize my eye is bad. It is very embarassing and my whole life I try not to make eye contact. This has created a social problem and I hate it.

Is there any way to correct this? Does surgery work? I would rather not have an operation, but it feels like it is getting worse one of my eyes is 20/20 and the other has a heavy prescription. Do you think this has anything to do with it? Do you think if I stop wearing glasses the other eye will work harder to focus and not be as "lazy"? Thanks for any info!
hey i feel you on that i have a lazy eye too so your not alone.

 
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Old 02-05-2006, 11:36 AM   #3
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Re: Lazy Eye getting worse

I had the surgery at age four and was fully recovered for most of my life. Then I was hit with MS, optic neuritis, etc. So my lazy eye "decided" to return. It's only recently that I discovered that amblyopia ("Lazy Eye") is a neurological problem. It's not really the muscle, but the brain inhibiting the vision, usually in the poor eye (there is usually different vision/prescriptions in each eye). AND I discovered (contrary to convention) that it is correctable in adults!! It just takes more time and effort and more than "patching."

I am personally trying to find a doctor who offers "Vision Therapy" in my area (the closest one I've found so far is 150 miles from me) because it is like physical therapy for your eyes and requires a couple sessions each week for a number of weeks... Do a net search for "Vision Therapy" or "Lazy Eye" and you should get a link to the organization web sites. There are both .com's and .org's out there.

 
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I disagree with being able to train an amblyopic eye to see when you're an adult. Patching and VT for amblyopia usually only works in children because their brains haven't fully developed yet. Once you're an adult, the neural pathways from your eye to your brain and your brain itself are pretty much set. I wish you luck in your treatment, but I wouldn't be expecting anything spectacular.

 
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Although,surprising results from a nationwide clinical trial show that many children age seven through 17 with amblyopia (lazy eye) may benefit from treatments that are more commonly used on younger children. BoardBabe,at the age of 31,is well into adulthood,and amblyopic tharapy may be of little use.

Squatchimo is correct with his comments on adult amblyopia and possible treatment.

By the way,Squatchimo, I hope your hemroids have been treated with success since last March. Those are issues you don't want to deal with for any lenght of time !

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By the way,Squatchimo, I hope your hemroids have been treated with success since last March. Those are issues you don't want to deal with for any lenght of time !

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They haven't been. , and you're right, you don't want to deal with them for ANY length of time, especially a couple years.

 
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My point was that the current thinking is that simply working on the muscles of eyes with conventional patching and eye exercises doesn't address the brain's involvement. Current therapies work on "re-training the brain" which is NOT hindered by the age of the patient.

To quote Dr. Leonard J. Press, FAAO, FCOVD: "It's been proven that a motivated adult with strabismus and/or amblyopia who works diligently at vision therapy can obtain meaningful improvement in visual function. As my patients are fond of saying: "I'm not looking for perfection; I'm looking for you to help me make it better". It's important that eye doctors don't make sweeping value judgments for patients. Rather than saying "nothing can be done", the proper advice would be: "You won't have as much improvement as you would have had at a younger age; but I'll refer you to a vision specialist who can help you if you're motivated."

The testing that is needed can cost upwards of $400-500 to say nothing of the treatment costs, but I think it's worth it to see "normally."

 
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Hi board babe!

I have the EXACT same thing! my left eye turns out (especially when I'm tired or have been working hard) it's had a terrible effect on my life, and my depth perception

I'd go more into it but I've made a seperate thread with the whole story so I won't bore you all twice

Surgery, they say, can work. (My last surgery was when Iwas very young and they botched it) It might not make it completely straight but it certainly can make a difference. I've also heard that the risks are very minimal. I've been scared to get surgery for years (I've tried specs, patches everything... I have very poor sight in my left eye, but perfect in my right.) But now i'm ready because my wedding is coming up and I totally know how embarrassed you feel about it. And of course, you're really sensitive to it so you're always thinking about it. At least I do.

I've also heard of a treatment which uses prisms to redirect the focus of the lazy eye or something like that. (I don't know a lot about it yet) It might be an alternative to surgery, though I don't know exactly what the success rate is.

Keep your chin up. The surgery is always a possibility but I'll bet you're beautiful, not only in spite of it but BECAUSE of it. My fiance tells me that my lazy eye is like a cute accent. He said it makes me unique and striking. I don't know if I like that, but it's nice to know that others don't always see it as a negative thing, but a personality trait that makes me an individual (I know, it's easy for others to say isn't it?... but it's nice to think it might be true)

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I have had lazy eye since three years old. It has made my life terrible. Iam thinking about surgery to correct for cosmetic.

 
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a couple of you mentioned using a patch..what do you guys mean by that? Do people patch one eye to make the lazy eye work to focus harder? My eye doctors never give me options so if that's what you meant, I can surely try that. It might not get normal, but at least it might keep it from getting worse. These couple of years it has gotten so worse that it is very noticeable now even when I am not tired so I am getting scared about it and it's to the point I don't make eye contact...so if someone can expand on the patch therapy...

I couldn't find any good online sites with useful advice, most are people you have to pay to get therapy from. And that is interesting to note that it is a brain associated condition more than muscular. But I strongly believe you can retrain your "brain".

i-be-peabody you say "I'll bet you're beautiful, not only in spite of it but BECAUSE of it." Not sure if that's a sarcastic comment, I find it hard to believe anyone can find that feature attractive, except for your boyfriend I guess. Looks-wise I would rate myself a modest 9 out of 10 but my eye has made me a hermit since I do not make eye contact and try to avoid talking to people. It has been a significant contributing component in keeping me from getting into relationships, makes me self conscious and oftentimes makes me miserable.

I have been doing an experiment on myself the past year or so to see if I can train myself at my age to become left-handed as well. For example, on my computer I only use the mouse with my left hand. That alone has made a big difference. I also use my left hand for tasks I would usually use my right hand for and I am now pretty much left handed as well, even the writing is clearer than people who use their regular hand to write with.

With that said, I am very commited and think the therapy to retrain my lazy eye would work for me as a candidate...I just need to find out what the tools and techniques are to apply...if anyone knows of any or a specific website listing them - I haven't been able to find any - please share. Do I patch the lazy eye or the one that has poor vision? Thank you.

Edit to note that I looked up ambylopia, mentioned by one of you and am finding helpful results. I had never known of that word and was doing searches using lazy eye which were not successful, so I think I may be able to find some good info. thanks. I also just read that no recent studies have even been done on patients over the age of 17 so that gives me hope that ig could work. It might be like learning a new language, of course it's easier the younger you are, it just takes more time and effort to accomplish at an older age. I just can't find any specific techniques, all say to go to a specialist but I'm sure I'll be able to find some exercises someone has shared.

A worrisomamblyopia e fact I read is that eyeglasses do not correct vision loss caused by amblyopia. That might have to do with the poster who said that it is a neurological rather than a muscular disease. Any comments?
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Old 02-13-2006, 03:26 AM   #11
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Thanks to this thread, I am after all these years learning about my eye. I didn't know what I had was called amblopia, that it could get worse, cause permanent vision loss and all the other information I have just found out reading about it. I am so mad my eye doctors have never discussed this with me, when on my initial application I list i have had eye operation and for what. Not one of them has questioned or commented about it and now that it's getting worse and worse and I am getting upset with the only "cure" being worse eye prescriptions, I came here to see if I could get any info and I have learned more in a few hours than my whole life about this.

All the websites are depressing, they only focus on children and make me feel like a lost cause. I went to purchase a patch on one site and they were all children's designs, so I just made one myself at home and am wearing it.

I will wear it as many hours as possible each day (can't wear it out of course) and sill check with my results. Just wanted to thank this site again.
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Lisa P,BoardBabe,and Pea :

I have had some recent communication from a very knowledgable optometrist who has specialized in visual theapy (VT) from many years. He talks about treating adult amblyopia. See below :

"That's the stipulation: there must be specific motivation. This patient will need very strong reasons to do the VT -- it gets boring too quickly for one not stiving for a tangible goal. "To see better..." is a bit vaguish.
Quote:from Dr.Leonard J. Press to Lisa P. :
"The testing that is needed can cost upwards of $400-500 to say nothing of the treatment costs, but I think it's worth it to see "normally." ....."

My 43 year-old saw a weak 20/20 on Friday. When I fiirst saw her about 4 years ago, she was 20/50. She had done VT with Dr. Ward Ewalt for 20 -- TWENTY, count 'em -- years. She alleges that it was her choice, not his.

I took her on for 6 weeks to see if we could attain any gains (she wanted to be able to read music better in church and to see the pastor's face, was her goal) and we did, so after another 6 weeks, I put her into an HTS home VT computer program. After working with that for about 6 months, we found her VA had increased to 20/30. Now, another 2 years later, she's 20/20- and 20/20 OD and OS respectively.

VT on adults works, but it's all a matter of motivation, practically speaking"

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Although, in a recent post,I stated that Adult amblyopic thearpy could not be acheived,I needed to do more research.
Dr. M.Bowan has been menitioned on this HealthBoards site in a number of past posts. If you go to the internet websites (google), you can find more about his treatments.

Good luck.

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Old 02-13-2006, 10:34 AM   #13
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EYETWO22 that is motivating to read. What I did was went to bed without taking the eye patch off (this might be an easier treatment as an adult for a single person who lives alone lol). When I woke up it was scary cuz everything was blurry, I forgot I had the patch on the eye at first. Then I had to struggle to focus. I think it is very beneficial to start out the day like that.

When I put it on last night after a whole day of not using the poor eye, it was close to impossible to get myself tof ocus through it but it is working out ok today, just seeing the world differently!!! all a fuzz but getting better.

So I'm trying to understand the basic concepts. Seems like the blurry vision eye that is overcompensated by the "lazy" eye is in fact the lazy eye since it let's the other eye do all the work. So does the patch correct the bad vision plus the lazy eye?

Also, as far as the cost for the vision therapy, there is someone else who in their post (I was reading some old ones) says they had to pay it was an amount around $7800 not covered by insurance. That's why I am determined to do it on my own, plus I have anger from eye doctors just ignoring it all these years every time I went for an examination..
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Does anyone know which eye is supposed to get patched if one is lazy the other is very nearsighted?
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BoardBabe :

I really commend you for your personal modivation with improveing your Amblyopic eye (lazy eye). Patching the "good" eye, eventhough it's nearsightness is corrected to 20/20, is needed to try to improve the other Amblyopic eye (lazy eye). Do you know if your Amplyopic eye (lazy eye) is also nearsighted ? An Amplyopic eye (lazy eye) can become "lazy", due to disuse over many years,as a result of a high degree of myopia (nearsightness) if it was never corrected with a Glass lens or better yet, a contact lens. My thought, is to correct the nearsightness in the "lazy"eye (with a contact lens),than patch the " good eye" as much as posssible around your house. Do not drive !
Use your computer. Try tracing with a red pen marker on wriggly lines. Picking up small color cake decorations and placeing them in their proper piles. etc. Do anything you can to "use" this Amblyopic in a meaningful learning situation.As you suggested ,sleep with the patch on the "good" eye so you wake up and start your day "learning to see" with the "lazy eye".
It will not be easy. Modivation will have to stay high. And you will be the only judge if you "see" an improvement if you choose not to be monitored by a optometrist.

Normal eye sight my not be fully achievable, but learned/useable sight can be Good luck and stay with it.

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