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Old 06-11-2012, 06:19 AM   #1
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Vibrating vision

Was wondering if someone else has this. Whenever I look at certain patterns, especially white lines on black background they appear to vibrate or move almost like guitar strings. I see this pretty much all the time. One thing I noticed is if I cover one of my eyes (doesn't matter which) that vibration seems to stop. I've been having my eyes checked regularly and have another eye exam coming up soon. The doctors don't see anything wrong with my eyes. Anyone have ideas what this could be? Thanks for any advice.

 
Old 09-23-2012, 01:36 PM   #2
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Re: Vibrating vision

I have the exact same thing.

Main culprits:

1) Rows of supermarket shelves
2) Oriental rugs
3) white text on black backgrounds close together
4) Complex patterns which seem to have high contrast.

Had lots of tests from several Optomoterists, Opthalmologists and even had an EEG and MRI with a Neurologist.

All tests come back normal.

I have had it for over a year now. It hasn't gotten any worse.

If I close either eye it goes away and if I wear sunglasses in the supermarket it somehow reduces the effects.

Only explanation that was given to me was that it was binocular in nature but no solution was provided.

Neurologist seems to think it might go away on its own

Was wondering if you are still experiencing this or has it gone away

 
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:00 AM   #3
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Re: Vibrating vision

Hi maximo123, yes I'm still having this. One of the opthalmologists I saw did mention that it might be due to the eyes not working together properly, which I guess would make sense. I've come to ignore it for the most part and I think I do get it a lot less recently. One of my blood tests revealed vitamins b-12 and D on the low side, so I've been taking some supplements and also been drinking fresh carrot juice, which has a lot of vitamin A, which is good for your eyes and the whole optic nerve. Also, working on some eye exercises. Not sure if all of this has been helping or it's just that I've been ignoring it.
Do you wear glasses? I usually don't, but I do have slight astigmatism and when I do put on my glasses I can barely notice it, so maybe it has something to do with things being out of focus as well.

 
Old 09-24-2012, 05:04 PM   #4
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Re: Vibrating vision

It sounds like you are going through exactly the same thing as me. I have also looked into vitamin deficiency too but did not take any supplements.

It is also funny you mention drinking carrot juice! I tried that for about 2 months but to no avail. I actually ended up enjoying it though!

Can you describe how you do the eye exercises you mention below? Did the Opthalmologist recommend them? I might try them too.

I am 39 years old and my eyes are better than 20/20 vision. I wear reading glasses and have a hardly noticeable astigmatism (0.5) in my left eye but this mostly happens when I get dry eye in that eye. My optic nerve in my right eye is slightly larger than my left eye but was told that it is completly normal and that it has always been that way.

Maybe I will try wearing my glasses in the supermarket to see if there are any results.

I am really curious to know how this started for you. Did one day it just happen? Were you going through a stressfull tme? Can you think what might have triggered it for you? Any family history with eye or neurological problems? Do yo have seizures migraine with auras or anything else?

I feel like now that all the Doctors have done all the tests and have ruled out anything organically wrong with me they don't know what to do any more which makes me feel frustrated because there is no diagnosis and therefore no solution.

Whilst our symptoms dont seem to be very common there are quite a few peopel that do go through this. Maybe they just ignore it or aren't so concerned about it.

 
Old 09-25-2012, 10:12 AM   #5
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Re: Vibrating vision

Do you have any other symptoms (non-eye related)? I've also been sort of off balance/dizzy for about 3 years now, as well as some occasional tightness in the head and brain foggy type of feelings. This vibration started about 2 years ago I think. I didn't have any injuries or nervous breakdowns - at least I can't think of anything that would have set it off. I've also started noticing 'blue entoptic phenomenon' about 6 months ago. Not sure if it was always there or it's just that I noticed it because I've been paying more attention to what I'm seeing now because of the vibration thing. I do not know if all my symptoms are related - it would seem that way. On the bright side I've had a bunch of tests, MRI, CT scans, blood work, etc and all coming back negative. So vitamin deficiency is really the only thing I'm considering at this point.
As far as exercises - you can probably look some up online - nothing special, just relaxing, focusing on objects at various distance, etc. I work on the computer all day long, so I'm just trying to do them a few times every day. They weren't suggested to me by doctors - something I've been doing on my own.

 
Old 09-25-2012, 10:13 AM   #6
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Re: Vibrating vision

Do you have any other symptoms (non-eye related)? I've also been sort of off balance/dizzy for about 3 years now, as well as some occasional tightness in the head and brain foggy type of feelings. This vibration started about 2 years ago I think. I didn't have any injuries or nervous breakdowns - at least I can't think of anything that would have set it off. I've also started noticing 'blue entoptic phenomenon' about 6 months ago. Not sure if it was always there or it's just that I noticed it because I've been paying more attention to what I'm seeing now because of the vibration thing. I do not know if all my symptoms are related - it would seem that way. On the bright side I've had a bunch of tests, MRI, CT scans, blood work, etc and all coming back negative. So vitamin deficiency is really the only thing I'm considering at this point.
As far as exercises - you can probably look some up online - nothing special, just relaxing, focusing on objects at various distance, etc. I work on the computer all day long, so I'm just trying to do them a few times every day. They weren't suggested to me by doctors - something I've been doing on my own.

 
Old 09-25-2012, 03:21 PM   #7
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For several years I used to feel spaced out/dizzy when going to the supermarket especially when there were lots of people around.

Sometimes I had to leave to get my orientation back. It was so overwhelming. I used to feel 'lost' like I didnt know why I was there and my heart used to beat faster. I guess you might class this as anxiety related.

I have also experienced maybe 2 or 3 bouts of dizzyness over the last 5 years. I can recall one on a plane and the other whilst driving but both were brief. I had to compose myself. I know on both occasions I was under a lot of stress.

I don't know if this is coincidence or maybe a link. For me this started after I got off a long haul flight (over 36 hours). I had just arrived back from Malaysia and wasn't sleeping properly. It took me a long time to re-aclimitise and get my sleep pattern back to normal. Anyway, it started after about 2 days arriving back home. I was in a store and I felt a bit dizzy. I was extremely tired and disorientated. This is when i noticed the store shelves were as you put it vibrating 'like plucking guitar strings'.

I thought it might be due to a occipital seizure but has also been ruled out based on the EEG I had. We even replicated my experience while doing it and no change.

The neurologist says that it was not the cause of my problem but who knows. One thing he mentioned is that it could be migraine related but looking back he was guessing. He prescribed Verapamil. It did nothing except lower my already normal blood pressure and made my ears pop when standing up.

It makes me think maybe that this could be balance/ear related, but again who knows.

It's so strange. Why does it completely go away when we close either eye?
I can't understand why the profesionals haven't heard of this or offer any meaningfull solutions.

 
Old 09-26-2012, 08:24 AM   #8
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Wow, the similarities continue I too developed my symptoms a few days after I got off a flight. Not nearly as long as yours (SLC->NYC), but I do recall being extremely anxious during the flight (it was red eye, so I didn't sleep the whole night either), because prior to that I was on a different flight and we got hit with severe turbulence, so I guess I'd developed a bit of fear of flying during that time. So maybe these things do get set off at psychological level in some way.

I woke up a few days later with flu-like symptoms, which went away after a few days, but this dizziness/off balance remained. I also feel it much more in supermarkets and when walking slowly in a crowd. I don't get anxious or even nervous, but I just need to make an effort to keep my balance, so I feel like there's some visual factor or something about people moving around close by throwing me off and I feel very unsteady on my feet. 'occipital seizures' were also mentioned to me at some point. Another thing I've been looking into is 'visual vertigo', but there isn't much information about it out there. I still think someone needs to look at this with 'holistic' type of a approach rather than individual symptoms, which is what most of the doctors seem to concentrate on. But it would definitely help if some of the symptoms could be helped either through vitamins and/or medications.

I should mention that I did see a psychiatrist for a while and in the end even she didn't think my symptoms were related. I know what you mean about anyone not being able to figure it out. It's frustrating, but if they do not see anything physically wrong I guess it's hard for them to do anything. I'm just glad everything serious has been ruled out, so it makes it easier to try and ignore all of this, or look at it as some annoyance that you have to deal with in certain situations.

 
Old 09-26-2012, 08:55 AM   #9
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Re: Vibrating vision

I definitely think that we are suffering from the same thing. I am glad we can relate.

Do you experience the 'vibration' when looking at supermarket shelves?

I did an experiment some time ago. I have an oriental rug in my bedroom. I looked at it at different times in the day. I found that only in certain lighting conditions the vibration was visible. In the morning and evening when there is slightly less light and therefore less contrast between the lines/patterns on the rug, the problem basically goes away.

One other thing If I change my viewing angle i.e. so that I have less horizontal lines and view them more vertically, it seems to relieve a little bit

Also white text on black backgrounds on the computer are problems but when I change the contrast it makes it slightly better. for example white text in a lighter black background (grey) it relieves it slightly.

It doesn't happen everytime when I go into the supermarket but I get anxious because I am expecting it and dreading it, then I feel disappointed that it is still there as I am always hoping for it to go away. Sounds crazy huh.

It is definitely more apparent when there is more stuff on the shelves and I am the shelves fill my full vision. So when I am really far away its no so bad and if I just glance at the shelves its not there, but when I look at it for a while i can see it. Its just there.

WRT Visual Vertigo, I have also researched this. I have researched Prizm glasses and actually talked to an Opthalmologist in Detroit on the phone who says she specialises in this area. When I described my symptoms, she was confident that she could help me. Apparently she has some specialised equipment to diagnose these problems and that they are not uncommon. She sounded confident of a solution. Problem is she is in Detroit and I am in Houston.

It is just like something is just slightly off in my vision which is only apparent under specific circumstances.

It's really annoying even after all the MRIs, EEG and Opthal tests.

I know I should be greatfull that its nothing serious but its hard to accept LOL.

 
Old 09-26-2012, 09:39 AM   #10
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Yep, supermarket shelves, oriental rugs, window shades, all of the above. One thing I've noticed actually, if I spend a few hours outside, for example playing golf or a picnic, and get back home it's a lot less noticeable. Almost seems like if your eyes get used to being relaxed and look at distant objects for a while it fixes it. I think that's why I also feel better on weekends, cause I don't have to spend as much time in front of a computer.

I think I've read about the center in Detroit and actually I think I saw a post on this website from someone who's been having similar issues that were resolved with prizm glasses. The issue for me though is while covering one eye does fix vibration, it doesn't fix my unsteadiness, unless of course more time with stable vision is needed for that to kick in. Nonetheless, I do have some relatives living in Detroit area, maybe next time I visit them I'll stop by that center as well

 
Old 09-26-2012, 07:56 PM   #11
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It really sounds like the place in Detroit could help you...

After speaking with Dr. Feinstein (I think that was her name) it sounded like she was very familiar with my symptoms and had special equipment to accurately identify the problem and was able to rectify it.

It was a relief to hear that someone could actually understand my symptoms and not look at me like I am crazy.

 
Old 09-30-2012, 02:31 PM   #12
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I was also looking at Scotopic Sensitivity Symdrome.

It is also known as Visual Stress too. I am not sure how elevant it would be to our experiences. I do not have problems reading our getting sentences or words mixed up but one thing sticks out to me about discomfort with busy patterns.

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Old 09-30-2012, 04:38 PM   #13
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I did look into 'vertical heterophoria' more and the more I think about my symptoms the more I'm convinced this is what it is. I actually bought an eye patch and tried spending 3-4 hours with one of my eyes covered and I feel absolutely fine! Even after working on a computer and walking into a crowd etc. I'm going to contact the Michigan doctor and talk to her more about what I'm experiencing. I even think my insurance covers them, so if she thinks she can help me I'll take a trip over there in a couple of weeks and see how it goes. It's definitely worth a shot. I'll keep you updated.

 
Old 10-02-2012, 04:49 PM   #14
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My appointment with 'Dr. Debby' is not until early December, but I did talk to her over the phone last night and she sounded convinced that I have 'vertical heterophoria' after I described my symptoms, so I'm hopeful I only have 2 more months left to suffer Will let you know right away.

 
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:29 PM   #15
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Hi Loneman

Please let me know if you managed to get any relief at all after meeting with her.

Did she talk about how much it would cost?

If it works for you I might give it a try too. Its not cheap flying from Houston to Detroit but I am willing to give it a shot if someone with some similar problems sees an improvement.

 
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