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Old 05-30-2005, 10:49 PM   #1
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for tk and her shrink

dear tk,
it has been a couple of weeks or more since you spoke of the childhood that affects your health still.
how is your therapy going? i know it is causing physical pain. how are you doing emotionally?
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Hey Blue,

You are so sweet for thinking of me. I woke this morning and woke up my dying DSL modem so hopefully I could get online and here I see my name!

Ah, better actually. One step at a time. Last session my therapist and I mainly discussed the frustration I have with all this pain and all these upcoming tests, also the frustration of my feeling when I was told that I had too much damage now for surgery on my lower back. We didn't really talk about Mom too awful much. Although she's at the forefront of my thoughts most of the time. I often sit and think back to those 5 months I spent in Iowa with her as her health declined. They weren't bad moments, not really. Just a kind of passing of rights, you know? I actually witnessed the end of a generation, of a life. I remember then I was still able to walk okay, so I would walk the 1 mile to the care facility Mom was in. I enjoyed that walk so much, as it was through an "older" part of my home town. I passed by old victorian mansions and restored homes that were full of huge walnut trees, dogs, and kids! Where I live know there are rarely a sidewalk to be found! But there, sidewalks are memories of bike riding (before we were old enough to ride in the street!), walking, skipping and playing hopscotch. As we got older into our teens, the sidewalks became pathways to your friends house, or the "passing lane" as you slowly strolled by a boy's house you had a "crush", in hopes of a glance of the subject of your attraction! I remember doing this once with a girlfriend of mine, while I was stretching my neck to peer into a boys front window, I tripped over a buckle in the sidewalk and busted by butt!

My therapist is now encouraging me to try and "reconnect" with my biological father. When my first husband and I moved to Florida in 1990 we had found my biological father, and we were in contact for awhile, until it became too overwhelming for me. I being an only child, all of a sudden had all these family members calling me. Family members like cousins and my paternal grandfather whom I hadn't seen since I was 4 years old. My "father" would call me 2 and 3 times a day, and I finally had to aske them all to back off a little. It was too much too fast for me. So, I ended up driving to Key West with my, then 10 year old son, to "meet" my father who had raised me alone for the first 4 years of my life. All went well, and we kept in contact for a few years, but then he just quit calling. I know he had business in Costa Rica and went there quite often for extended periods of time. He has a bad reltionship with his sister, who is also in Florida and I last spoke with her when my mom got dx'd with cancer in 2003. She hadn't heard from my father in many years and didn't know where he was. I DO know that he kept in pretty good contact with two of my cousins and I suppose I may be able to see if I can get ahold of them and see if they know where he is. I believe he is in Coasta Rica. I have checked the SS death register and his name hasn't popped up, but I did find my paternal grandfather, whom I didn't know had passed since I last spoke with him in 1990.

I did not even begin to search for my biological father until 5 years after my step-dad had passed. This man loved me more than I had ever been loved. He and his parents both treated me like gold as a child. I just could never search for my biological father while my step-dad was still alive. I was afraid it would hurt his feelings, and out of respect for him I waited until he had been gone for 5 years before I began my search for my "other" family.

My therapist and I spoke about this in depth. She believes since now that niether of my parents are alive, it would make a difference in my life if I still had one parent who was part of my life, given my "father" is still alive. I can still call his sister, I believe she's still alive. I only just spoke with her in the spring of 2003. I THINK I sent her and her husband a memory card from Mom's service. I actually lived with her and her husband for awhile when they lived in Minnesota, or was it Michigan? Or was it Illinois? LOL It was one of those! I still have some memories that I can conjure up from that time. I remember they used to dress me and my cousin Patrick alike all the time since we were the same age! I have some pictures of me and Patrick. I have many many pictures of me when I was living with my father in Cape Cod.

I found out only after my mother died that I infact lived with my father until it was time for me to start school. My mother had always told me that he "took" me from her when I was an infant and that she got me back when I was like 2. This was the story I grew up with. THEN when I heard my father's side of the story, it was quite a different story. So, I asked my aunt who was old enough to remember what had happened to me. I also saw pictures that he gave me ( I already had pics that my mom gave me, but he gave me more pics) where I looked much older than a 2 year old when I was still staying with my father. That's when I started to wonder if what she told me was true. It wasn't. According to my aunt, my mom left me with my dad at a very young age when she left him. He raised me, and I guess we moved around a lot. My father considered himself a "budding artist"! He was very talented actually, I have many of his photographs and drawings. I also remember a painting my mom had for years that my father had painted, but it was gotten rid of when I was younger. Anyway, I lived with my father in Mexico and in Cape Cod (Provincetown Massachussetts) mostly. And with my aunt and uncle up north on and off. I remember the old apartment building we lived in in Provincetown, where we shared a bathroom with the other tenants in the building, and my father had a painting studio in the attic. He even had a special place set up for my own "artistic" side. (This is a side that I never quite grasped! LOL My son is very artistic tho.) I can remember we had two rooms, a kitchen and one bedroom. I slept in a small bed in the kitchen.

Well, my mother had remarried my wonderful step dad, who was "old school" being 18 years my mom's senior, he believed children belonged with their mothers. So, my mom got an attorney who had contacted my father to arrange a "visit" with me. My father brought me to Iowa, where my mom and step dad were living. Now, my father "technically" had custody of me and he believed he was merely abiding by the rules of "visitation" for my mother. He dropped me off at my mom's apartment and was to return for me later. I remember this clear as day....I was in the apartment, after having been "picked up" by my mother and her new husband. I was sitting there, and I heard my father banging on the apartment door. He had come back for me, and my mother and my step dad wouldn't let him in the apartment. I can still hear his banging! I can hear him hollering "Donna, let me in! Give me Tracey!" I remember hearing him call out my name. I was told to sit and not say a word. I remember being scared. I didn't understand what was happening. Why wouldn't my mother let my father in the door? Well, after what seemed like forever, the banging stopped and my father left. That was the last I saw of him until I was 34 years old. He was never discussed, never, until I got into my teen years and started asking about him. I have to say, though, even with all that, I was so lucky to have my step dad in my life. He was my salvation in a mother daughter relationship that lacked compassion and love, but instead was filled with beatings and riducule. I lived as a child wondering WHY she ever came to get me. My only gift was that wonderful man I called "Johnny" for awhile until he became "Daddy", and "Daddy" he was until he died at the age of 62. His parents were gems. They were the typical grandparents. My grandma was big, always had the big apron on (the "bib" type apron that covered her whole front side), curly grey hair, glasses and THE best cook! I loved staying with them. She had all these little "nick naks" that were porcelain Victorian ladies in lacy dresses and "spagetti" figurines. I loved playing with them and was never yelled at for touching them. Nothing in their house was off limits to me. She had an old wringer washer! God, wash blue jeans in one of THOSE things! LOL I remember when my Grandpa bought her a new modern washer and dryer, she didn't like them at first. She made homemade donuts, washed her dishes twice, and had a huge creaky old bed. I would often sleep with Grandma when I stayed there, I loved it, though I was a little afraid she would roll over on me in the middle of the night! LOL I also slept on the front screened in porch when it was warm. There were two beds out there, and two rockers, one for Grandma and one for Grandpa! They were always in those rockers when we would drive up. I can still smell the Lilly of the Valley flowers that grew in abundance under their porch. I would take the city bus to their house, and Granpa would always meet me at the bus stop cuz I had to walk a few blocks to get to their house. Well, they lived in the "bad" part of town, which actually became the WORST part of that town by the time I had grown. But it always that way. Anyway, Grandpa didn't want me walking through the train underpass by myself, so he'd walk up to meet me, and always walk me back when it was time for me to go. I also remember later on, after I had gone with Mom, Daddy gave Grandpa his old red Rambler (anyone remember THOSE?!) and I was rather disturbed to learn that Grandpa DROVE! Let's just say riding with Grandpa was an experience all in it's own.


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I can remember one time my mom and dad had gotten into a fight and I was at my grandparents. Well my mom came to get me, and my dad was there too, they each had one arm of mine pulling me in two directions until my Grandma came out and told them both to leave. My God! Unfortunately my Grandma died when I was sixteen. I have her old engagement ring to this day. My Grandpa fell apart after her death, and ended up moving into the same apartment my dad lived in, bless my dad's heart! LOL After Grandma died, Grandpa became a bit of a "handful"! Dad sold their old home, the house he grew up in ( I used to love sleeping in my Dad's old room whenever I slept over at Grandma and Grandpa's house). Dad sold the house and ALL it's contents! I could have passed out when he told me. Some of Grandmas things would have meant the world to me if I could have been able to keep them. My little "Victorian" ladies.

My mother left my stepdad in the same manner she left my biological father. She just left! This time I went with. She left without telling me anything. I had no idea what was happening, again. I just knew that I was now living with my mother's mother and after summer was over my mom came to get me and we moved into an apt in a city 60 miles from my dad. I was 12. I did not see my daddy again until I was 15 and I had decided to take a bus to visit him and my Grandpa. My dad was so broken up when my mom left him, he tried to shoot himself in the head, but he was probably drunk, so he stumbled and shot his eye out. He had a patch for a long time which made him look like John Wayne in True Grit! Then he got a glass eye. After I turned 15, I went to see him however I could get there. My pregnant girlfriend in my senior year of highschool drove with me to see him once. I drove myself. I even took my mother with me once! By then he was better, and we sat in a bar, which was my usual meeting place when I went to see him (I never saw his apt until after he died), and he proceeded to fill my mother with bourbon and water, while I sucked down 10 gallons of Coke! God forbid my Daddy find out his little girl drank beer and smoked cigarettes! I never smoked infront of him.

He did get over my mother enough to have a nice relationship with a lovely woman for awhile until his drinking drove her away. She took his death very hard. She was very sweet. They even came to see me when I was just home from Berlin and had an emergency appendectomy. He drove the hour drive with his "girlfriend" to visit me in the hospital. He was my "Daddy" through and through. I was his "little girl". Or his "snot nosed brat" as he would lovingly call me! He spoiled me so terribly, and I still have regrets in my older years of abusing his generousity at times. Usually involving money.

Oh, I miss him still. After mom died, I was cleaning out her dressor and I found that old gun that he had used to shoot himself. You see, he paid us a visit one night soon after she left him and threatened us with that gun. He was drinking, and he chased my poor uncle (mom's little brother) out of the apt. He was living with us at the time to help out. Daddy had finally passed out in the rocker chair when mom called the police. They came, took him away, and he gave my mother that gun. That was back in 1969, when there was no gun control! He said for mom to take it and not the police cuz the policeman would end up keeping it for himself. So the Judge allowed mom the gun, and ordered my Daddy out of town and he was not to return, or he'd be put in jail. That was also back in the days, when they DID literally "run you out of town"! I can remember my Daddy bringing me back to our apartment (we lived above a local corner bar for most of my teen years until I finally left home) and I was so scared the police would see him in town and take him to jail. I started crying and told him to get out of town fast! LOL Pitiful.

So, I had a colorful childhood, to say the least. Bad memories that therapy is helping me deal with. But many many good memories, mostly involving the "colorful" people I encountered along the way. Growing up above a bar, practically growing up IN bars as my mom and my grandma were bartenders for years, I spent a lot of time sitting by the Jukebox. I would get our mail in the bar every day after school. I waited for the school bus in the morning while shooting pool. Many of my "buddies" were old bar guys. I had lots of "surrogate" Dads! Still, today I call one of them Uncle Elno. I missed him at my mom's funeral, cuz, my mother's sweet "boyfriend" of 30 years was mad because I was in the other room with my aunts daughters and other family instead of out there by mom's casket, he didn't come get me when Uncle Elno came in. And he KNEW I wanted to see him, and how much Uncle Elno means to me. I asked the whole time I was there about him and said always how I would love to see him. Well, he deliberately didn't come and get me when Uncle El came into the funeral home. I asked him why, he simply said "Well you were in THERE with all of THEM!" Thank God for Effexor! LOL So, I missed my Uncle El. He was the best. He was one of those men with "connections", **wink wink** while I was growing up. He had an arcade and Jukebox business, so when he emptied the Jukeboxes out and put in new 45's I got all the 45's he had taken out. He'd just hand me a box of records! He was the best. Big stocky, dark hair, Mafia looking type. Probably WAS Mafia! We had a small "Family" in my home town. I always felt safe, knowing that Uncle El was in my life.

But, Blue...LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO! LOL MY GOD! I DID NOT MEAN TO GO ON AND ON LIKE THAT! I AM SO SORRY! Shoot, now I'll probably get into trouble for getting off topic. I hope not. Mods, I just want to share what my therapist has seemed to "drag" out of me, and possibly my story, will encourage someone else to seek help if they have stuff in their lives going on that seem to be overwhelming them.

It does help to talk to someone who only is interested in what YOU have to say, and someone who is ONLY interested in YOU. They listen, they advise, they never judge, and for 45 minutes, YOU are the hero.

Thanks Blue for asking. How are YOU doing? Any news on the RA? You seeing anyone Blue? I mean a therapist? Have you before? It helps when you need it doesn't it? I think anyway, that it does, when you seem to bounce off walls, cuz, you can't seem to step out of your "box".

I said that it helps, IMO, to talk to someone who doesn't judge you. That's kinda how I feel about these boards, as "therpay". Not so much proffessional therapy, but "peer" therapy, which can be just as effective as talking to a Pro in some cases. Of course, professional therapists are taught how to evaluate you, where on the boards you can't "evaluate" others, except with your own experiences to share. Both are effective in a way that when you post here, you are a HERO, a sister, brother, friend, commrade, a good "ear", a sufferor, and here you can heal, IMO, in many ways you heal in professional therapy, only you don't have to pay any fees! You usually get more than you give here. I know I DO.

Oh and you may wonder about the gun I found when cleaning mom's dresser...I have it. To me it isn't a weapon of destruction, or the gun that shot my dad's eye, but a symbol of how intense his love was, and because it was HIS, his moment of desparation, sadness, yet it was his "defining moment" (thank you Dr. Phil!) that changed his life forever. The last time it was shot was during this "defining moment", and I keep it because of that, because it is part of his and my history. A history that linked (links) both of us to my mother, a woman who impacted both of our lives in similar ways, yet still, very differently.

My step dad was a severe alcoholic, ever since he came back from fighting in Japan during WWII. I saw many things in him that changed when he drank, and he drank obsessively. He was on Lithium for his nerves. Remember THAT med? He would disappear for weeks while on a binge. This was his only "flaw". I've seen him give a poor kid 10$ to buy a "decent pair of shoes". He was a true hero, a war hero, tho he never spoke a word of his time there, he fought that war over and over again in his sleep from the day he came home from the Pacific until the day he died. He was never really "discharged", until he passed on into a place where he learned to be at peace. Finally.


Love you Blue,
I AM sorry I ran off like that, but it seemed like you asked, and it all came pouring out. I feel better! LOL And I appreciate so much being able to "purge" when I so need to, "get it out". Thank you from the bottom of my heart. You asked the right question on just the day I needed to "remember".

You are the calm in my storm!
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you are welcome sweet pea.
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thank you for sharing. yes i do see a shrink too. have for 9 years. 7 with this one. with any illness come stresses. shrinks help shrink the stress, giggle.
the blood test came back from the ra. no heavy guns (drugs) yet. i will discuss options with her the end of june. fibro was too big for aquatic therapy today so i did the hot tub and came home. it is what it is, tee hee.

 
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Once gain here I am poking my nose in, forgive me, I hope you don't mind, it's just TK I feel we have lived such paraell(sp) lives sometimes it scares me, surly you can't be the sister I don't really know,as far as I know she still lives in arkansas.
I grew up in a house as the youngest with 3 older brothers, finding out as time passed the oldest was my half brother from a previous marriage of my Mothers and that there was also another brother from that marraige then as time passed found out I had a half brother and half sister from a previous marriage of my dads. Then I can't even begin to tell you of al the step-ones since moms passsing.
Isn't life strange to say the least, I spent yrs in thearpy and made a lot of progress and know if I could spend the rest of life seeking peace and answers and still would not feel complete.
I found one of the most healing times for me was back in 96 I attempted to commit suicide not for the first tiem but last, after my release I started writting a book and let it all out and through that I found more comfort and peace then at any other time in mylife and wish I could go back to doing that but mental and physical health just doesn't allow it right now.I have often thought of recording it on a recorder but that's to easy for others to get to, ya know.
I believe a lot of the past effects my health today in many ways from the physical and mental abuse.
Anyway I just wanted to say I can relate to so much you have and are going through and want you to kow you are not alone in your feelings.
I have also come to accept that I will never know the truth of all that transpired as the only 2 that do know are dead and even then it would still be one side versus the other, I only now try to accept that it was the way it was.
One of you posted the "Serenity Prayer" a while back and it is the way I try to live now.
Sorry if I'm butting in again, I just feel so close to what you are going through and it brings back many memories for me.
Please know that you are in my thoughts and prayers.
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