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Old 07-15-2005, 10:57 PM   #1
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internal tender points?

hi every one,my daughter jess has been really sick with pain in her chest and lower right abdo,the drs thought she had appendisitis but over the last few weeks they could find nothing wrong,so finally the drs decided to operate and now all her severe pain has gone. her question to her pain specialist was are there tender points and trigger points on our insides.the dr was quite blown away by her question and said he was working on this very theory.has anyone else heard anything about this subject?jpk

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Old 07-16-2005, 05:00 AM   #2
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Re: internal tender points?

I've never heard of this before, but, the term "internal" is a tricky one.

Internal to me, means dang near anything below skin level eh. My knees are "internal" after all. So are my elbows, hips and upper middle back (all of which don't like me much some days).

I can't fathom any of my "internal organs" specifically "aching" though, without it being a specific problem with that organ's actual functioning.

Generally, if my heart or lungs or kidneys etc start giving me trouble, I call that heart/lung/kidney etc trouble.

I can understand though, that my nervous system often passes through parts of my body that are not entirely "surface" oriented.

It appears though, your daughter might have been fortunate to evade a problem. Sounds like the doc fixed something without intention accidentally.
Which is likely a nice thing.

Old 07-16-2005, 06:49 AM   #3
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Re: internal tender points?

I do not know if this is wha you are asking. but I had stomach pain and a fluttering in my stomach and intestines for 6 weeks and was told told they were abdominal spasms. Look at people that have IBS they suffer with great pain and it is internal spasmns.

Hope this was not off your topic.

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Old 07-16-2005, 10:10 AM   #4
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Re: internal tender points?

Hi jp!

I'm sorry to hear about Jessy going through surgery, but it appears she came out better for it. I'm so happy. When will she come home? How are YOU doing Jan? I know Jess going into Hospital must be wearing you out.

As for Jessy's question about internal trigger points, I've never heard of that, but ya know what? I'll surely look into it and I'll even ask my Rheumy when I see her next month. Anything's possible. Trp's are usually "knotting" of the connective facsia tissue which lies directly under the surface of your skin, but as far as them being "deeper", I'm not sure. I would imagine you could have "knots" deeper in the layers of your skin? Actually, I see my Pain Doc next week for another nerve block and I'll ask him, he's pretty up to date on newer medical studies. Interesting.

What did Jessy's doc say? What exactly did they operate on? Did they remove anything? I'd be interested in hearing what they operated on exactly and what the post surgical report says, if you don't mind posting some of the surgeons findings here. I don't think any of us here who have FM have encountered a surgical procedure for FM pain, specifically, so that would be of great interest to all of us here. You'd be giving us some good information. I realize that treatments and medicine differ in other countries besides the US. Most times, procedures and such will be approved overseas before they are approved here. So I know we'd be interested in knowing exactly what they operated on Jess for and what the results were from surgery. Did they do any pathology tests?

Well, Jan, tell Jessy hi for me and every one here and we would love to hear from her personally when she feels like posting on the boards. I know Julie is waiting in the wings to meet a new young friend!

It is winter there where you are right? How cold ARE your winters? Is Jess in school? Have they gotten her schooling figured out yet?

Okay, you take care of YOURSELF. Give yourself a hug and hug Jessy too. Good to hear from you! I was JUST thinking of you yesterday as a matter of fact!

"We must be the change we wish to see in the world"
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Old 07-19-2005, 01:56 PM   #5
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Re: internal tender points?

hi everyone,Les you made me laugh,i hadn't thought of it that way!!!!to answer Goodspirit.....they took her appendix out.they did a pathology on them and they were fine.the sugeon decided to take them out incase they where twisted,but they weren' jess isn't back at school.she has them come to her,she has the wilson centre today to talk about her physio and tomorrow she has the pain clinic,i can ask more on the subject then,i think jess gave him a fright with such a adult question!!!yes it is cold here at the moment....not too bad 5 degs to 17 degs,but my goodness its wet and my body is none too happy,every joint burns with pain,so i've had my cry this morning as i try to get my body moving ,anyway i will post this and see what comes back

Old 07-20-2005, 09:17 AM   #6
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Re: internal tender points?

Hi ya'll!

I am such an IDIOT! LOL Here I have been replying to this "internal TENDER POINT" thread using the words "TRIGGER POINTS"! When I just did a whole thread on the difference between the two! DUH me! I hope I didn't confuse anyone, but myself, obviously!

Jan, and everyone else who have read my comments about internal "TRIGGER POINTS" please disregard my comments! LOL Trigger Points ARE internal! Duh! LOL I amaze myself sometimes at my own denseness! LOL

Anyhoo, Jan, Jessy's question about internal TENDER POINTS is a good one. Usually we are used to them being at the surface and only felt when they are pressed upon. I DO wonder how "deep" within our skin they actually do go. Hmmm....Did the docs give her an answer to that question? I'm going to ask my doc too, like I said. I'm glad I caught my foopau before I made myself look like an idiot infront of my doc. I can just see his face now: "Internal Trigger Points? AREN'T they internal? (This woman's nuts!)"

So, how is Jess? I had my appendix out when I was 23. Kinda makes you wonder why we humans have all these things that we dont' need anyway. All these things that just get infected and have to be removed.

Just a word of caution incase the docs didn't advise you: Jess will probably take longer to recover because she has FM. We take longer to mend than "normals" do. But I imagine Jessy already knew that! LOL

I don't know if you noticed, Jan, but we have a couple of new young girls who have joined our group here. Alexandra and Meg. Although meg hasn't posted herself, her mother has using "megsmom" as her username. You probably have a lot in common with her, I think she stated that her daughter was 13. It seems that our population of teens and preteens with PJFM is growing.

Godsgirl (Julie) has been replying to some of the girls posts, so that's good. She did suggest to megsmom that it would be great if meg herself could post so all the girls could get to know each other a little better. Same with Jess. I know she would be very welcome in that special group. Do you think Jess would like to get her own username and post? I saw one post of hers under your username. She's quite the young lady! LOL Smart! Push her in the direction of studying for the medical profession! LOL

How is your husband? Did you say Leukemia? What kind of treatment is he getting? Is he able to work at all? Are you alll getting help from your state? or govt? I know it must be hard for all of you. This is not what you planned for 10 years ago is it? Funny how life does that to us. I always try to find a reason for it. Haven't quite found one yet, but I'm still lookin'.

Jan, try and take a moment to read the thread I started that is titled "Words of Wisdom:..." The poems are very inspirational and sometimes words of inspiration are very powerful when you are up against the "wall" (so to speak).

Well, my Kiwi friend, I hope you are doing as best you can. Be strong and come here to post anytime.

Hugs to you and your family,
"We must be the change we wish to see in the world"
Mahatma Gandhi

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