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Old 07-19-2005, 02:48 PM   #1
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Skin Biopsy

Hello To Everyone,

Can anybody help me please? This is a question I have raised on the lupus board as I went to see my lupus doctor with the problem. Maybe if I tell my family here I might be able to get some advice andhelp.

I have had for absolutely ages now weird and wonderful veiny, itchy, slightly raised, purply thingummies on the bottom of my legs. They are so very, very sore to the touch and I cannot get a proper answer from the lupus doctor.

I insisted that I go to see a dermatologist because I am annoyed that my concerns on this have been dismissed somewhat. These veiny things has been going on for ages now. As I have had lupus for most of my life I know when something isn't just a blip, this is something that needs to be looked at. Well, I went to the dermatologist and he has ordered a skin biopsy to be done.

Has anyone had one of these done for this type of leg thingummy? I have had biopsies done on fatty bits of my body, but not actually leg skin type. Any help on this would be appreciated.

If it's not the blood clots getting to me, now it's the veiny things he he !!

Thanks my friends

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Goldenwings, Sorry I have no answers for you I just wanted you to know your voice is being heard and I wish I could help, but know I am with you in thought and prayer.
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Hey wings!

Are they sore to the touch? Are they blue in color? I'm wondering about vericous veins. They can become "bunched" together in one area. They don't always run the length of your leg. They can gather up together. They are tender to the touch. But I would imagine that any doc would recognize vericous veins.

I just don't know. The only thing I can suggest is to use the old computer and type in the description, see what comes up. I'll peek around too if you'd like.

I'll be waiting to hear back from you my dear, and from anyone else who may be able to offer more help than I could.

Love you my friend,
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Hiya sweetie,

Yes they are a little like you describe to look at and very tender to the touch, but when the dermatologist looked he pointed to two teeny tiny red spots above them and asked me how long had I had those particular things. I hadn't even noticed them, so perhaps my dark thingummies and these two miniscule spots are connected in some way, I just don't know.

Maybe it is a lupus thing, I'm not sure. Have you ever had a skin biopsy done tk ?

How are you my ol' muffin? I do hope that being back home has not been too stressful for you with sorting out damage from the winds and storms, and that you didn't have lots of work to do when you got back.

Good to talk to you again. I really should go to bed now he he, it's almost 2.00 am and I am supposed to be turning over a new leaf - eating sensibly and getting to bed early was going to be my starter, but maybe tomorrow hey ?

Take care my friend.

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Hey wings!

No I have not had a biopsy of any sorts done, yet. I have at least 2 lesions/tumors on my thyroid that I assume will soon be my first biopsy. Not to worry tho, these types of tumors are most likely benign. Thing that chaps my arse is that my Rheumy ordered the Thyroid tests, and when they came back abnormal she tells me I have to go back to my family doc so HE can refer me to the appropriate specialist! So, I wonder, in my little mind, why the heck she ordered the tests!

No damage from Dennis, except to my car, but that was all me, DARN BUSH! My big thing is now I have to replace all the items I packed up when I evacuated. I always have to take my important papers, you should see my SSD file! I take special pictures and photo albums, you know, things that just can't be replaced. I ALWAYS take my jewelry box, yes, I am superficial to a point! LOL And I always take the tower to my desktop computer. I do have a laptop but I still have a lot of files on my desktop hard drive that are important. So, I disassembled the tower, the DSL modem, and the Router! You can imagine the sweat I had pouring off of me while I tried to remember which wire went where when I returned! LOL The best thing I ever bought was my laptop. Which I never completely paid for since I filed bankruptcy before it was paid off! LOL

I've been having a bit of a problem that has been going on for awhile now that I need to mention to my GP while he is referring me to and Endo. I can't seem to eat. I fill up so quickly after a few bites of food. I feel absolutely awful after I eat, I have to lay down. I don't know what that could be that causes this, any ideas?

Okay, back to you and your legs. I want to say that they are severly vericous veins with some blood blisters on the inside. You know how you get an internal blood blister when you pinch your finger or something. Well, I would imagine that if you had vericous veins that were putting so much pressure on the surface of your skin from the inside out, it could cause blistering. This is just a guess, but I've seen a lot of waitresses with some nasty vericous veins. Check out the .Net and see if you can find some photos of these veins. See if they look like what you have.

Are these more toward the bottom of your leg, middle or upper? Usually vericous veins pop up in the back of the calf area and nearer to the lower leg. But they are very tender to the touch and blue/purple in color. They are actually raised and you can feel the vein rise on the surface of your leg. Kinda like big blue spagetti. Yuck, I know!

When is the biop? We'll all be anxious to hear, I know it'll take a few days to get results, but just like when you were in the hospital, we'll be here. Look, you survived a touchy surgery, one that had enormous odds against you, I'm betting that this is nothing big. You have an enormous will and an even bigger spirit.

Oh, a bit of "off topic" news. I have a stray dog visiting my yard at the moment. I found him this morning when I was taking some trash out. Poor bugger, he is so skinny, you can see his haunches. He's been in a bit of a fight I think, he's got some torn flesh on his tail area and his haunch. His tail looks bad, it's right at the joint. Someone must have owned him, because it looks like they had him shaved for summer. You can see the marks where the razor stopped on his head and tail. He is growing hair back and is very fuzzy. He looks to be part Chow. Just as sweet as can be. He wants to come inside! I let him in for a little bit this eve, but he has to go back out for the night. I have a big back yard that is fenced and I have him a little bed and he has a place to get out of the rain if need be. I even put a fan out there for him today cuz he looked so hot! Pitiful yes? I have a big circular floor fan and I just hooked an extension cord to it and let it sit on my deck so it could blow on him while he was laying in the dirt up next to the house. I had it adjusted downward so he could feel the breeze! Pitiful.

I do have a call in to the Animal Shelter to have him picked up. I just can't keep him, it's too much with the three dogs I have now! I would love to keep him, but I know it would be best for me not to. I'm sure someone will adopt him, he's young and pretty. He may even belong to someone and they will find him. I'm hoping he has a micorchip implanted. I'm wondering if he isn't a victim of the hurricane. A lot of people don't know what to do with their animals and they just let them go. But he's awful skinny and I don't know if he'd be that skinny just since July 9th. He's so skinny, his head is bigger in mass than his body! Looks pretty funny!

Well, I babbled, what's new?

I hope what's going on with the legs is nothing and you'll be jogging around your house in no time!

Love ya girl!
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hi golden,
i have had skin biopsies done. they scrape off a bit of tissue to be studied. it hurt a bit. we were looking for lupus or cancer. every so often i get covered with these horrid areas that are red and itchy, swell up and get infected. each time that happens the doc does a skin biopsy. i have had 3 or 4 now. we are pretty sure i am dealing with a mild form of lupus that is skin related. forgot the fancy name for it.
no hole was cut in me. he just scraped some of the dermal tissue off the worst spots and put them on a slide. then he sent them to a lab.
hope i have helped you feel less stressed about this. always a good idea to check out any unusual skin changes.
i will be sending healing energy to your owies! doo doo happens, don't it?
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when you get all this sorted out and feel better lets go dancing together! teekers, wanna go dancing too?
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Hiya tk,

I too feel that I have to take special treasures with me if I go away for a while. I am not a religious person myself, but my Mum always had a tiny, tiny statue about 1 inch high on her bedside table of a madonna and child, it lights up in the dark with a beautiful bluish light. After she died it was something I took away with me and I have it on my bedside cabinet now. If I go anywhere for instance on a holiday for more than a week, I take it with me. That is one of my treasures.

My jewellery collection is vast, so I normally take a couple of smaller boxes of things - just in case I get to wear them - he he !! I also take what I consider important papers in case my home is robbed and I lose them. My philiosphy is - you never know. What am I like hey ?

Wow, the eating problem you have. Honestly, for a couple of years I have had something simiar to this. I seem to have a plateau inside of me that doesn't allow any more food to be eaten, even if I have only had three or four mouthfuls. After that I normally feel so sick and sometimes I do actually be sick beause of it. I was led to believe it is all gastric problems though. I have inflammation of the gullet sometimes, and a hiatus hernia. I did have ulcers in the past. I sure hope yours isn't anything more serious. Not much help there was I?

Another idea on that though. Do you eat sitting at a table? Odd question perhaps, but if you sit on the settee from a tray then you are slightly slumped over your tummy and upper body and the food will not be digested properly. Also always drink water at mealtimes, never ice cold water though.

I will post on the rest of your message later my friend.

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Hiya Blue,

Thanks for letting me know how the tissue sampling is done. I honestly don't feel stressed about the test, it is just that I wondered how it was carried out. Mind you knowing the delays in medical treatment here, I will be waiting for absolutely ages for an appointment and then for the results Hey ho !!

Just a little bit on the point you raised about lupus skin rashes. Were the following names mentioned that you can recall ?

""Discoid lupus"" is a type of lupus that tends to be confined to the skin and other organs in the body are not involved. Discoid lupus occurs in patches across the body. These patches tend to be well defined, thickened and scaly, they are slightly red in colour and can itch. The appearance can vary between people and also on different areas of the body on the same person. As the patches heal they tend to leave scars and on darker skins the pigment in the skin can be lost leaving white areas. If discoid lupus occurs on the scalp the hair will be lost as the patches heal leaving permanent bald areas.

""Subacute cutaneous"" lupus is a distinct rash that usually occurs in sun-exposed areas of the body. It starts as scaly patches which increase in size to form circular areas which gradually heal up without leaving scars. This type of lupus falls in-between the systemic form and the discoid form: people with subacute cutaneous lupus often have some of the blood abnormalities found in systemic lupus and frequently joint pains, but they do not usually develop the serious complications that can occur in the systemic disease.

Oh, to dance !! I still do in my dreams you know. I used to "go clubbing" a lot when I was younger and fitter. Well, I hadn't learned to walk again and worked hard to sit on my bottom had I? He he. I also had to attend swishy functions and dinner dances so I did a bit of the being swept around in the arms too, wearing long flowing gowns and so on. Guess which I preferred ? Then the falling down and so on started, so I had to stop. Not in my head though. I will gladly come with you and tk again. Thanks for the invitation.

Thank you so much, I can feel the healing energy coming my way already. My mind is in turmoil at the moment, so I am trying to fight my demons by being with my friends.

Take care my love

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Hi Goldenwings

Could the thingmummies on your leg be from some sort of bug bite? I only ask because you mentioned two little red marks. My mother had varicose viens and they were in her lower legs and ankles, but if I remember correctly her whole ankle swelled and turned purple not just the spots. That was a long time ago and I could be remembering wrong. They did what they called at the time a vien stripping.

Have not had the skin biopsy, the Dermatologist said she would do one this past spring when I got the rash from the sun, but I decided to wait. Veej on the lupus board was a great source of info for me.

I know you have the hurry up and wait blues, I could sing a few versus of that myself but hang in there things will work out in there own time. Anytime you feel like it you bring your demons here and we will fight them together as a family.

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good day my dancing golden girlfriend,
how are you today?
your quote is as follows. this is the type i deal with. i am a sun lover, swimming, gardening and such. it is a summer issue i am willing to live with. some things i will not give up.
quote: Subacute cutaneous"" lupus is a distinct rash that usually occurs in sun-exposed areas of the body. It starts as scaly patches which increase in size to form circular areas which gradually heal up without leaving scars. This type of lupus falls in-between the systemic form and the discoid form: people with subacute cutaneous lupus often have some of the blood abnormalities found in systemic lupus and frequently joint pains, but they do not usually develop the serious complications that can occur in the systemic disease. end quote.
i feel most fortunate to be gifted with this type. it is what it is, right?
doing more packing today. i am almost done. how tired my little body gets. my rheumatoid honey is active again. glad it goes in cycles.
we got the house, we got the loan, we are in heaven.
it signed the papers to sell the house yesterday. it started to throw a hissy fit when it found out it was not getting its money yet. my poor real estate girlfriend got a first hand view of its behavior. she said she was very afraid, so was the title company woman. they were able to diffuse it. now my real estate friend understands why i did not want her alone with it for any reason. guess she had to see it to believe it.
time to get back to packing a few more goodies before i fall on my face for the day.
give your compassionman a huge hug for me and ask him to give you one for me.
peace and love,
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ps. you are most welcome on the biopsy info. if for any reason they need to get deeper tissue they usually give you a tiny shot to numb the area. ba-byeeeeeee!

 
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Hey Wings,

I agree with Blue, I don't think the biopsy is going to be traumatic. I BELIEVE they simply want to test the tissues and this is easily done by the scraping procedure that Blue describes. My first husband had a mole biopsied and then removed, just to be safe, no cancer was ever found. It was an "in and out" office visit.

I know that "they" like to biopsy skin tissue when it looks abnormal. Like if it's changed in any way. Are these thingamummies, something you have had for awhile but they have changed in the way the look?

I gotta say, even if they turn out to have abnormal cells or even pre-cancerous cells, simply removing the spots is all it takes to make things "all good" again. For it to be any kind of late stage melanoma, I think you would have noticed these things being there for awhile. It's normal to have little bumps and brown spots on you, it's when they CHANGE that they become something to look closer at. Like if they get crusty and change their shape in any way.

So, try not to worry too much or you'll be sick. K? Oh and your description of you ballroom dancing days sounds absolutely romantic! I'd love to see you in those "swishy gowns". I don't have anything swishy except maybe the contents of my stomach after I drink a bunch of water! And as for anykind of organized dancing, I stink! I come from the 70's era of dancing, disco, which I could never dance to, and rock and roll, how do you dance to THAT!? You just wiggle around and shake your head! I couldn't even do The Hustle! I would bump into folks and send them flinging across the dance floor. Of course the more alchohol I had to drink the "better" I danced! LOL I even tried Line Dancing once during an evening of too much alcohol! Yeah, that was a sight to behold. I felt bad for the people in the line next to me and behind me!

So sure, I'll go along for the dancing! Hey, I'm not shy! I watch TV and I see these girls wiggle their hiney's and only wish I could shake my hips like that. I'm sure I'd end up busting up another disc in my spine somewhere!

Hang in there girl,
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Hiya tk,

It as I said to Blue, I'm not at all worried about having a biopsy. I just wondered what happened, and if it took long. I know for fact that I haven't got anything untoward going on, it's just these horrid looking lower legs that are driving me potty.

Rock and roll (is that jiving)? is something I remember my older brother did. Wow, I was amazed at how he used to dance about. I too am more used to disco type music and dancing. The swishy gown dancing was something I had to grin and bear at the time, 'cos it was expected and to be quite honest sometimes it bored me. There again I did attend a lot of social functions, so it had to be done. I must admit though I did have tons of fun too, but times change and now I'm ecstatic if I can walk straight, I don't know about dance he he !! Never mind, my mind stores lots of good memories too.

Aw, your stray doggie. How lovely of you to take such good care of him. I have a picture of him in my mind, he is a little beauty. I do so hope that his owner is found, and if not that he can be adopted by a caring, loving family.

It's sure is a pity you can't have him, but you are showing your love to him and he won't forget you. Have the shelter got back to you yet? I'm going to call him Lucky 'cos he sure is finding you. You are such a tremendous person tk.


Take care my friend.

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hi golden,
how are you feeling today? i heard the news across the pond. i am so sorry. please try to keep all your stress in check.
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Hiya Blue,

I started a new thread about the latest attempts on London. It is so real, yet it feels so unreal. Does that make sense?

I cannot even begin to understand how any one person could have the deep seated hate of anyone or anything to harm them in this kind of way.

The lucky thing is the devices didn't go off and so thank goodness it didn't cause the devestation this time.

Thank you for thinking of me, I am keeping calm and today I have been been working alongside my husband on this here pc, then we went out for dinner. Not very good - mine wsn't anyway - but there again I am very fussy when it comes to food. Moved onto the beach front for ice cream cones and then came home. It was fantabulous. Mind you any time spent with my compassionman is always appreciated. He sends you and tk his regards.

Thank you for thinking of me (again).

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dearest golden,
i studied these faiths when all that sadness happened here in the states. it is not about hate. they believe they will go straight to the best afterlife if they prove their willingness to die for their faith. these people live in abject poverty and have little to look foreward to in this life.
many faiths teach that the ultimate sacrifice is to die for your beliefs. thru history peoples have waged wars and committed acts to force their belief system on another people. ours is a sad world filled with intolerance and misinterpretation of faith and spirituality. it is our planet and we can only do the best we can to create threads of harmony.
i doubt i will ever understand the philosophy that teaches humanity that wars will somehow bring peace. it's like burning your corn fields so there will be enough food for all.
i am glad you are breathing and making the most of your moments. give compassionman my heartfelt regards. he is a peach! i did see your other thread and read it, after of course writing here. hope i don't get in trouble for drifting way off subject.
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