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Old 07-09-2001, 12:29 PM   #1
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Post FMS and underlying conditions...Can one be cured?

Hi all,

I'm new here and to FMS. I enjoy reading the board and have learned so much by visiting.

I was struck in the forehead last August with an airborne golfball. I've been battling post concussion syndrome for 10 months now. In December of 2000, I was diagnosed with FMS. My rheumotologist feels quite strongly the FMS was triggered from the poor sleep I've had since the concussion.

I've read in many articles that FMS is a permanent condition with no cure. Although, I've recently read on this board to be alert for underlying conditions. Does this mean once the underlying conditions have been resolved the FMS symptoms will diminish. Is there anyone out there who has experienced such? I'm looking for feedback...

 
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Old 07-09-2001, 02:43 PM   #2
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Sorry for your accident and induction into the Fibro Hall of Fame. Hope you are getting adequate help for your pain. Fibro cannot be cured, tho it's symptoms can be treated. Many have times of relative remission followed by flare-ups. While the majority of Fibro folks are still able to work, sometimes they have find more flexible, less stressful jobs. Please make certain it is Fibro you have. I ended up getting several opinions--too many ailments mimic Fibro. Get better and welcome to a great site! God bless, Al

 
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Hi Hope and welcome to the board! So sorry to hear about your concussion and FM diagnosis!

It seems that if you have some kind of underlying condition that has similar symptoms to FM, then if you can fix that underlying condition, such as a thyroid problem or severe candida overgrowth, then you get rid of the symptoms. As Rachael (Ciocc) and Kim and Gary and many folks here can tell you, the search is often long and difficult because there are so many possible causes of these symptoms and not all of the tests are good and few doctors are aware of all the possibilities or how to go about testing for them. That's why you will keep reading here that it is important to keep learning and pushing your health care providers and take primary responsibility for your own health care, including seeking specialists, changing docs, and so on.

I will go on my guaifenesin bandwagon again and tell you about a dr. who has developed a treatment for FM that doesn't cure it, but that puts many people into remission from their symptoms. Dr. St. Amand is an endocrinologist who began treating patients having FM symptoms with gout drugs (uricoserics) about 30 years ago. The patients improved. About 10 years ago, he discovered that guaifenesin, an expectorant that has been around for a long, long time, also puts people with FM into remission with fewer or no side effects compared to the gout drugs. He isn't sure exactly why it works, but his theory is that people with FM have a genetic predisposition to this. He observes that some people have the symptoms from birth, while others develop them after some kind of traumatic event, such as your concussion, or a car accident, or a very stressful life or health event, such as having children or going through menopause or losing a dear one or divorce. He believes that the genetic weakness prevents the kidneys from excreting the excess phosphates that are produced as a byproduct of basic cellular metabolism. The body doesn't allow the excess phosphates to remain in the bloodstream, so they are stored in various sites all over your body, which is why the symptoms of FM are so many and varied and why so many body systems are eventually involved -- as the phosphates build up. Because there are excess phosphates in the cells where they are stored, it disrupts the action of calcium and messes up the Krebs cycle, with the result that the mitochondria in those cells fire and fire, until they become exhausted. He calls FM, MPS and CFIDS "dysenergy diseases." The guaifenesin (or the gout drugs) sits on the receptors in the kidneys that aren't working to remove the excess phosphates from the bloodstream and allows the kidneys to function correctly, so that the excess "stuff" is scoured out. Over time, the excess phosphates that are stored in cells all over the body are pulled out, back into the bloodstream, and then excreted. As the cells are relieved of their burdens, the mitochondria begin to work properly again, which means that your energy comes back and all the symptoms eventually disappear. Guai is not a cure for FM, but is something you need to continue taking in order to keep the phosphates from building up again. But many people who take it literally get out of their wheelchairs, go back to work, and resume normal lives.

The "catch" is that the reversal process causes your FM symptoms to be exacerbated. At first, just about everywhere you have stored phosphates is involved, so you may experience every FM symptom you've ever had at once. Then, the guai seems to concentrate on particular areas in your body, and you will have symptoms in those areas as they clear. It seems to work on one area at a time, so you will have pain in your back, for example, for a few weeks or a month or so, and then it will suddenly stop, you get a few good hours, days or weeks, and then it will go to work on another part of your body. Over time, however, this "cycling" eventually stops and you just have the symptom-free state with energy and it's over. The longer someone has had FM and has been storing phosphates, unfortunately, the longer it will take to reverse and the more "cycling" they will have to go through. Dr. St. Amand has treated over 3000 patients with guai by now, and it does seem to help most of them.

So, this is a long answer to your question and I'm sorry. But since you are new to this dd, I wanted to tell you about it because it might work well for you without alot of cycling and symptom exacerbations!!

Take care,

Val

 
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Hi Hope. Welcome!

Many of us do believe that there are underlying conditions but finding them is not easy. If you have read posts from Rach (Cioc), then you know that she has hopefully found at least what was causing most of her problems. She's still working on recuperating from her surgery, so it will be a while before we know for sure.

One thing that I think we all agree on is to be absolutely sure that you do not have something that can be treated. Make sure your doctor has tested you for lyme disease, MS, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis and anything that may have symptoms that you are having. Many people have FM along with arthritis and other conditions.

I was only diagnosed in March but I believe that I have had FM for at least two years, maybe longer. I don't think I have fully accepted the diagnosis as I am still searching for something that can be "fixed".

In the meantime, my doctor told me I could help myself more than he could with diet, exercise and a positive attitude. I take medication for the pain. The sleep meds didn't work well with me so I just rely on Benadryl and Cal-Max. I am sleeping better most nights. While you're searching for underlying conditions, you gotta find something to treat the symptoms so you will be able to continue the fight.

We're all here to help each other. Hope you'll stay with us.

Chin up and good luck to you!

Nell

 
Old 07-09-2001, 07:57 PM   #5
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Hi Hope,

In my case, I did have an underlying condition that was at least contributing to the FM symptoms. I am a lot better, it's still early, my surgery was June 13th. Do I still have FM? Yes, I'm afraid I do. My goal now is to find any other underlying conditions and then to work on things to alleviate my symptoms as much as possible, this includes some lifestyle changes, possibly medication and taking better care of myself than I have been. So far, what has worked for me(other than radical brain surgery,lol) has been a combination of vitamins & supplements,careful exercise,support from friends on this board who KNOW what I'm feeling, support from friends and family off the board who love me. I need to work on quitting smoking and eating better and I think I'll at least be functional and have less pain than I have the last few years. It's a long road though and the best thing you can do for yourself is to find a very GOOD doctor who will run tests to rule out other conditions and work with you on medications,exercise,etc. Mine is a DO and I found him through this board. Look for the "New to this board?" post to find the site for the good doctor list.

Good luck!

Rachael

 
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