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Old 02-05-2002, 09:14 PM   #1
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Arrow Source-of-Pain Experiment (fat v. dairy v. sugar

Source-of-Pain Experiment (fat vs. dairy vs. sugar

FIRST EXPERIMENT
NON-FAT DAIRY

During the course of a week, drink alot of skim milk with other foods
EXCEPT FOR SATURATED-FAT FOODS

Mark your degree of pain that week
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SECOND EXPERIMENT
SUGAR-FAT

During the course of a week, eat alot of Hershey DARK Chocolate
BUT ELIMINATE ALL DAIRY.
ALSO ELIMINATE NUTS (CONTAINING CALCIUM LIKE DAIRY

Mark your degree of pain that week
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THIRD EXPERIMENT
DAIRY FAT (CALCIUM-FAT) EXPERIMENT

During the course of a week, eat alot of hard cheeses
BUT AVOID SUGAR & CARBS.

Mark your degree of pain that week

 
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What were your results?

We have been following a low or no saturated fat intake for years and colestorol. We also only use low fat milk products and very little refined sugar. It has helped with losing weight.



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First of all, you mentioned avoiding cholesterol.

I haven't found cholesterol to cause me pain (and in fact I thrive on egg+oil based products, such as mayo which contain lysine and therefore buffer my tendency toward vaginal & urethral bleeding).

I proposed the experiment, because there's an ongoing debate in the FM community as to whether

SUGAR or
DAIRY

causes the most pain.

I myself have noticed that FAT is the worst for me. I'm not yet sure whether DAIRY FAT or SUGAR FAT is worst.

So anyone brave enough is welcome to try experimenting & reporting back re: the root of the matter!

 
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Neufa,

I think that's wonderful that you are suggesting some safe experimentation with foods. When I was so sick with muscular aches and pains and many other health problems, I experimented with so many things (vitamins, foods, herbs, water, minerals etc.) for years and years. I eventually linked all of my FM symptoms to my mercury-silver dental amalgams after years of trial and error, but I also wonder if my recovery has been increased because of my knowledge that resulted from these experiments.

For example, a few weeks back, when I overdid it with extreme exercise and work, my back, neck, and shoulder muscle pains were killing me (I wrote about that experience on this board). But, I knew to increase my diet to include calcium-rich foods like spinach, and herbs and today all is well. During that time I worked 7 days a week, straight through for two weeks. Such work-related stress makes things worse, but because I was able to find some mechanisms to improve my health naturally, I was able to defeat this horrible discomfort and continue with my job.

I still wonder if some fibromyalgia is caused or made worse by stress, toxins, allergens, and wrong diet. I don't think the answer is clear for everyone. Again, I think it's great that you are doing this safe experimentation. Maybe some of you will discover some new interesting things. It will be neat to hear the responses.

Do any of you have doctors that encourage you to improve your lifestyles with better diet etc. to reduce the pain of fibromyalgia? Why isn't more attention in the medical world addressed to these issues? What was so frustrating for me, is that I got well on my own with my experiments (not from doctor's care or advice). My doctors never emphasized herbs, natural foods, removing toxins etc. From my experience here in the United States, not enough doctors understand the relationship of having mercury in your mouth either, and its potential allergic complications for some people. Who knows what household cleansers or other chemicals that could be doing us harm as well?

I hope that you all can find some things that could help you all feel better. Personally myself, I avoid all processed foods, especially those that are high in sugars. For me, the calcium-rich foods like milk, almonds, brocolli, and spinach were always helpful.

 
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rhody:

You mentioned that calcium-rich foods are good for you & that you avoid sugars.

I guess that means you would not eat milk chocolate (which contains calcium) & dark chocolate because they both have sugar.

You didn't say how hard cheese affects you.

Do you eat alot of hard cheese, (since after all it has calcium)? If so, how are you affected?


 
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